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A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« on: June 25, 2017, 12:53:37 AM »
A bowlmor/AMF house I bowl at which housed PSO likes of Wayne Webb and others after him have allowed another shop to come in after years of having none.

I heard changes are coming to this house called Landpark. But with the new Proshop, it doesn't convince me things will improve any time soon. AC doesn't work, leaking roof, pin setters break down, and same issues from the last couple of years hasn't improved. I'm hoping things improve....

But at least there is a Proshop for the local bowlers. Lucky bowlers is the name I believe.
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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2017, 10:53:59 AM »
I remember when the last PSO left that house to buy a bowling alley in Henderson, NV, another local PSO had inquired about moving in. The house wanted rent more than a mortgage or something really high. I'm not 100%, but that's what I heard... then a year or so later they out a small game room where the shop once stood.

That happened a few years ago at Bowlmor/AMF Thruway Lanes when the longtime owner of the pro shop was forced out because they wanted an insane increase in rent.  She moved over to the nearby locally owned Broadway Sports Center only about 2 miles away and she continues to do great business.  As for Thruway Lanes- they shut down and they're now an indoor car showroom.

it's a good she relocated. Hate to see shops close....

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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2017, 11:40:12 AM »
I remember when the last PSO left that house to buy a bowling alley in Henderson, NV, another local PSO had inquired about moving in. The house wanted rent more than a mortgage or something really high. I'm not 100%, but that's what I heard... then a year or so later they out a small game room where the shop once stood.

That happened a few years ago at Bowlmor/AMF Thruway Lanes when the longtime owner of the pro shop was forced out because they wanted an insane increase in rent.  She moved over to the nearby locally owned Broadway Sports Center only about 2 miles away and she continues to do great business.  As for Thruway Lanes- they shut down and they're now an indoor car showroom.

This would be Sue Jeziorski, right?

If so, do you have the phone number to the shop? She's really great (and a really good friend of mine), and someone I'd trust to drill my gear right clear across the country. And to be brutally honest, I'd give her my business versus any PSO in the area, and I'm in the same area as the OP.

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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2017, 12:16:47 PM »
From bradl:

 "And to be brutally honest, I'd give her my business versus any PSO in the area, and I'm in the same area as the OP."

I 100%... I mean, I 1000% agree!!!!!

That's why I go to buddiesproshop online, across the country to get my balls drilled after itsallaboutme left town...

There are better PSO outside of Sacramento, but their hours and my schedule conflict most weekends.

I'll tryout this new shop at the bowling center after I see their plug work...... :D
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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2017, 04:49:57 PM »
I'm just curious of the OP and Bradl reasoning for believing there are no qualified PSO in the Sacramento area? What are you basing this on?
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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2017, 05:06:27 PM »
I remember when the last PSO left that house to buy a bowling alley in Henderson, NV, another local PSO had inquired about moving in. The house wanted rent more than a mortgage or something really high. I'm not 100%, but that's what I heard... then a year or so later they out a small game room where the shop once stood.

That happened a few years ago at Bowlmor/AMF Thruway Lanes when the longtime owner of the pro shop was forced out because they wanted an insane increase in rent.  She moved over to the nearby locally owned Broadway Sports Center only about 2 miles away and she continues to do great business.  As for Thruway Lanes- they shut down and they're now an indoor car showroom.

This would be Sue Jeziorski, right?

If so, do you have the phone number to the shop? She's really great (and a really good friend of mine), and someone I'd trust to drill my gear right clear across the country. And to be brutally honest, I'd give her my business versus any PSO in the area, and I'm in the same area as the OP.

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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2017, 02:17:48 PM »
I'm just curious of the OP and Bradl reasoning for believing there are no qualified PSO in the Sacramento area? What are you basing this on?

I didn't say that they weren't qualified. There are quite a few here that are qualified. Strike Zone inside Fireside Lanes is a great example of that, as the owner there was a protoge of Gary and Leanne Hulsenberg.

A lot of the issue for me isn't just selection, but the way business is done in the area. Pro shops here have become so small that the first thing you have to do when you buy a new ball is to pay them up front for it, then they order the ball in from the distributor.

Everywhere I have lived except for this area, the PSO has the equipment in stock, so you can walk out the door with it. Why not here, outside of the issue of space?

If you were going to have a BBQ, do you go to the store, look at a picture or two of the burger meat, hot dogs, chicken, steaks, veggies, etc., and when you buy it, they tell you they will order them in so you can get it in a week's time?

No. You walk out of the store with it so you can prep it and get it ready to go down on the grill!

Every PSO I have been to in every place I have lived has been that way. They have the ball in stock, they punch it up, and you're out the door with it. Only when they run out of stock do they have to order it for you. Here, you pay for it, then they order it, maybe get it in in 4 - 5 days, then you have to go back to the pro shop to get it. Flaky model, where the customer has a week's worth of time to deal with buyer's remorse, and can back out of the sale.

Second, I've been burned by a few PSOs here who have got my layouts completely wrong. Pitch wrong. measurements wrong. Span wrong. And when I gave him another shot, plus punched up that same ball (different layout) from the PSO I went to in Las Vegas, he became a total ass, bitched me out for going to "competition", and said that what I did was a thug act.

I got my money back, and never went to him again.

And seeing that there aren't that many PSOs in this town, customer retention is the name of the game, and he lost it. And to make it worse, that got around, and there is no better advertising than word-of-mouth. Needless to say, he closed up shop and moved out of town.

There are some that work hard for it, and some that don't. But the biggest quality that a bowler looks for in a pro shop is trust and honesty. I've known my guys in Vegas for 20 years, and Sue for just under 25. And while I can take chances with local people and maybe get a good or bad experience, I know what I will get from those I trust. Plus again, that business model.. ugh.

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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2017, 02:27:49 PM »
Just saying . . the model is the same with internet purchases, and with internet pricing closing the doors of shops every day, keeping that amount of inventory is . . expensive.  The largest pro shop in the world, recently opened in Kansas City, all 4400 square feet of it contains more bowling items than is really conceivable, and altogether his total in stock inventory totals over $100k.  Now is that an extreme example?  Sure, and while I feel that having things in stock is a definite must given the market, I also know how difficult it is.  So lol you're both right and wrong.  Pro shop industry is a catch 22 at the moment. 

I'm just curious of the OP and Bradl reasoning for believing there are no qualified PSO in the Sacramento area? What are you basing this on?

I didn't say that they weren't qualified. There are quite a few here that are qualified. Strike Zone inside Fireside Lanes is a great example of that, as the owner there was a protoge of Gary and Leanne Hulsenberg.

A lot of the issue for me isn't just selection, but the way business is done in the area. Pro shops here have become so small that the first thing you have to do when you buy a new ball is to pay them up front for it, then they order the ball in from the distributor.

Everywhere I have lived except for this area, the PSO has the equipment in stock, so you can walk out the door with it. Why not here, outside of the issue of space?

If you were going to have a BBQ, do you go to the store, look at a picture or two of the burger meat, hot dogs, chicken, steaks, veggies, etc., and when you buy it, they tell you they will order them in so you can get it in a week's time?

No. You walk out of the store with it so you can prep it and get it ready to go down on the grill!

Every PSO I have been to in every place I have lived has been that way. They have the ball in stock, they punch it up, and you're out the door with it. Only when they run out of stock do they have to order it for you. Here, you pay for it, then they order it, maybe get it in in 4 - 5 days, then you have to go back to the pro shop to get it. Flaky model, where the customer has a week's worth of time to deal with buyer's remorse, and can back out of the sale.

Second, I've been burned by a few PSOs here who have got my layouts completely wrong. Pitch wrong. measurements wrong. Span wrong. And when I gave him another shot, plus punched up that same ball (different layout) from the PSO I went to in Las Vegas, he became a total ass, bitched me out for going to "competition", and said that what I did was a thug act.

I got my money back, and never went to him again.

And seeing that there aren't that many PSOs in this town, customer retention is the name of the game, and he lost it. And to make it worse, that got around, and there is no better advertising than word-of-mouth. Needless to say, he closed up shop and moved out of town.

There are some that work hard for it, and some that don't. But the biggest quality that a bowler looks for in a pro shop is trust and honesty. I've known my guys in Vegas for 20 years, and Sue for just under 25. And while I can take chances with local people and maybe get a good or bad experience, I know what I will get from those I trust. Plus again, that business model.. ugh.

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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2017, 02:48:10 PM »
An awful lot of pro shops lack the one thing you need to run a successful business...capital.  So it turns into prepay and order.  Guys with no capital or business sense use the internet as an excuse.  Shops that are well run businesses don't see the internet as a threat like the hobbyist do. 

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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2017, 02:48:34 PM »
First of all I know of multiple shops locally that have inventory so I'm not discounting your assessment but I know of their inventory numbers
Secondly the largest west coast distributor is located locally and if a ball is needed it's not more of a day away
Thirdly any other other business you buy something, whether in stock or otherwise you are paying upfront...not sure why bowlers find this peculiar?
We all make our decisions individually and accordingly when making any purchase, but as Luke stated, the Internet has changed how many PSO do business these days
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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2017, 02:51:10 PM »
The way product is perceived these days, many PSO can't risk large volume of inventory as a hot ball today is a door stop tomorrow...there are very few pro shop businesses these day not carry large inventory, whether they have business sense or not...it's just feasibly sound investment
Shoes & bags are different but it's a difficult risk with bowling balls
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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2017, 03:08:05 PM »
Brick and mortar shops that are not just run by hobbiest, need some inventory to conduct business.

The shop I used to work in had customers from a 150 mile radius, they didn't have the luxury of waiting for a ball to come in. So if they happen to make it into town on the weekend they wanted to have be able to get the ball in their hands that day.

25 years ago the blue hammer was the big seller. We tried to keep 24 16lb balls in stock and reordered when they got down to 16. I remember days when we sold 8 of them after someone would when the PBA with one.

But at that time there were only a handful of big sellers and they stayed on the market for several years. As manufactures started introducing the ball of the month you couldn't afford to be stuck with a bunch stock.

We got to where other than a line of plastic balls, we would keep 6 to 10 brands current models in stock but no more than 4 balls at a time. Our supplier got to where we could get balls in a day if ordered before 4 PM. So we tried not to get stuck with inventory as it became outdated.

The biggest problem with internet sales was on shoes and bags. This was fairly easy money but when bowlers started getting shoes and bags over the internet basically at our cost we couldn't compete.

We had bowlers come in and pump us for information for hours and then order the ball over the internet and want us to drill it. We had to raised our blank drill cost enough so we still made a decent profit.

In store sales paid the bills but the internet took away a lot of the profit money shops used to make.

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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2017, 03:21:43 PM »
To shoot holes in your post...how many performance balls were on the market when the Blue Hammer was? Compared to today, there's 125+ bowling balls released annually...distributors in some releases don't stock 24-16's
I've ran some highly successful pro shops in my past as well as advising existing ones today, inventory is the hardest thing to project...more than display can be a challenge at best no matter location
But again to each his own
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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2017, 03:23:39 PM »
How many businesses in this day and age operate the way they did 25 yrs ago?
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Re: A PROSHOP being open of all places...
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2017, 03:32:17 PM »
There are way too many places out there that don't even have size runs of $40 shoes and then they wonder why people order off the internet.

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« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2017, 03:56:46 PM »
I started to see a bit of a trend change very recently.  People don't want to wait the 4-5 days on the internet and they're starting to figure the deal out.  Trying to do a warranty claim through an internet site is a NIGHTMARE.  What if the size of shoes you order doesn't fit?  There's two or three weeks to send back and wait for a new pair.  First there was the internet craze of "it's cheaper," they didn't care how long they had to wait, if they could order it online and save 10 bucks, they'd do it.  Now I'm starting to see people that don't mind spending the extra 10 or 20 as long as they can have it now, hassle free.  Plus there are so many options on the market now that people want to make sure of what they're getting.  You also have to keep your cool.  If someone spends 30 minutes talking to you about a ball, then buys it online and brings it in, you're still gonna get 70 for the drilling and ZERO liability.  I know too many shop guys who get too hot under the collar when they feel like they've been screwed or betrayed.  Keep that customer service at 100% at all times, and you'll always win them over.  Somewhere, someplace, sometime, they'll get a raw deal, and if you've always treated them right, there you go. 
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