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mumzie

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Bowlers Journal on line - great article this week
« on: January 27, 2004, 02:29:56 AM »
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Re: Bowlers Journal on line - great article this week
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2004, 06:20:54 PM »
The reason Walter Ray is so successful in the PBA is that the oil pattern is much different than the THS most of us bowl on.  I'd venture to say that if Walter Ray had to compete on a THS with a bunch of decent power players, that he would not be the dominant force he is today.  Since most youth of today are brought up only seeing the THS, then that is what they will focus their efforts on.

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Re: Bowlers Journal on line - great article this week
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2004, 08:55:39 AM »
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WRW (as with most of the PBA guys) is good enough to beat any Toe, any time. Period. If he's doing what he's doing on tougher conditions, what would he do on a wall???


Couldn't agree with you more. The tour patterns require the ability to be consistent and execute good shots. Most PBA players excel at this. Being on this type of pattern and then switching to a house or wall shot would be no problem for them at all, espescially someone as acurate as WRW. Touring guys would own any young power player any day, any pattern.

I'm not a touring player anymore and haven't really practiced much this year. What can a marginal PBA player do on a house shot? Click my profile and see.

ksucat

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Re: Bowlers Journal on line - great article this week
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2004, 09:46:46 AM »
I agree that Walter Ray is extremely gifted and a great bowler, but I think he would lose much of his accuracy advantage on a THS.  I just don't think he would win as much as he should.  We have a few pros (not as good as Walter Ray, but good pros) that come back and bowl league here and none of them really flat out dominate like I feel they should.  They should be at least 15 pins per game higher than the best league bowlers.  It's difficult to get that high when league averages are well over 220.  There just isn't that much room left for any mistakes or even bad breaks.

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Re: Bowlers Journal on line - great article this week
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2004, 10:09:07 AM »
I agree with ksucat.  The house shot levels the playing field, we all know that.  When you (that would be you, not me ) can miss your target (if you even have a target) by 4 boards and strike, of what benefit is the ability to split boards?  If you can turn it up, you can strike all day on a THS.

Remember Tom Clark's article from a couple of years ago, about Pete Weber bowling in a league with Tracy?  Pete's was not the high average in the league; he was 2nd or 3rd.

Do you really think the top averager in that league was a better bowler than Pete Weber?
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Re: Bowlers Journal on line - great article this week
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2004, 10:24:48 AM »
Back on topic:

Great article!

I bowl with a kid on my Sunday night league who has a tremendous amount of physical talent.  He's always in perfect time, he has great balance, and he's strong.

But he carries a 175 average, because all he wants to do is hook the lane.  If he can't ride the gutter and watch the ball come back from there to smash the rack, he's not happy.  A typical game for him is:

 x | 7-2 | x  | x  | 0-/ | 8-0 |  x  |  x  | 4-5 | x-7-2 |

19 | 28  | 48 | 68 | 86  | 94  | 118 | 137 | 146 |  165  |

If this kid tamed his ball down and played a simple little swing shot, he'd easily be the best bowler in the league.  But he won't do that, 'cause it ain't fun.  For him, it is about "how" not about "how many".
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Re: Bowlers Journal on line - great article this week
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2004, 10:49:15 AM »
The THS takes away much of the advantage that the PBA pros should/do have.
A "sport" shot widens the gap between the pro and the "toe".  
Easy shots take away the "expertise" and shotmaking advantage of the pros.

Trust me, I bowl many nights a year with a Nat'l touring pro, who sometimes struggles to strike on THS.   He repeats shots, is deadly accurate, and averages 220, but he can't consistently pop big games like the THB.
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