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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Ragnar on October 25, 2004, 03:08:40 AM

Title: a tale of two oils.
Post by: Ragnar on October 25, 2004, 03:08:40 AM
At the regional this weekend they were using Prodigy lane oil.  I'm surely glad I didn't bowl.  At home we use (I believe) Brunswick HV.  I can throw the ball and see it start to read the lane when it comes out of the oil, even if my speed is not that consistent.  What I was seeing Saturday, other than a fair number of 160-180 games, were balls sort of "squirting" out of the oil before they started to read the lane.  Speed control seemed more important than accuracy, though it was close.  I had previously heard bad things about Prodigy, now I know why.  I'm not sure that I ever really bought into the notion that there was a lot of difference in oils until Saturday.  On the whole it was an interesting and educational day.
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Title: Re: a tale of two oils.
Post by: scotts33 on October 25, 2004, 11:35:41 AM
Rags--It really depends on type of surface and kind of lane conditioner used.

I'll predict during qualifying at Bowlero this week for the Masters you will see the majority of the players playing the twig 1-2 board.  Just because of the type of conditon, surface and lane conditioner.  What you see on TV in Miller Park/Milw I have no idea.

Scott
Title: Re: a tale of two oils.
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 25, 2004, 12:08:04 PM
Prodigy stinks.  All over the place.

Like playing golf in the wind between trees so you can never feel it but your ball travels higher than the trees.  AHHHH There is the surprise wind(oil in this case).

Then the game becomes capricious!

REgards,

Luckylefty
Title: Re: a tale of two oils.
Post by: Pinbuster on October 25, 2004, 12:34:17 PM
I’m not up on the different oils so I can’t say.

But I know a lot of the PBA patterns put a lot of oil out, even compared to house shots, but sometimes they don’t taper the shot a lot.

 So when the ball comes out of the oil it hits immediate dry. This makes the balls reaction very dependent on the release (speed, turn, axis, etc). Variations are much more noticeable.
Title: Re: a tale of two oils.
Post by: scotts33 on October 25, 2004, 12:40:52 PM
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So when the ball comes out of the oil it hits immediate dry. This makes the balls reaction very dependent on the release (speed, turn, axis, etc). Variations are much more noticeable


That's why you see very lil stacked leverage type layouts <THB> vs. control layouts <PBA>.

Scott
Title: Re: a tale of two oils.
Post by: cooksey on October 25, 2004, 12:49:36 PM
We just got a new oil machine at the house I bowl at. It is a Kegel and they are using prodigy oil. We bowl on older wood lanes and they run a typical christmas tree pattern oil to 40' buff to 45' I think. I don't see problems with this oil as you described. I am sure it has allot to do with style of bowling to. But for most people in this house it seems to stay very consistent.

cooksey
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Title: Re: a tale of two oils.
Post by: scotts33 on October 25, 2004, 12:59:54 PM
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It is a Kegel and they are using prodigy oil. We bowl on older wood lanes and they run a typical christmas tree pattern oil to 40' buff to 45' I think.  


As I said earlier in another related post.  ALL lane conditions are relative mostly to the surface you are bowling on.  

Hence, how players qualify at Bowlero during this week's Masters will not mean they will bowl as well or they may bowl better in a ball park on different type of surface even if the PBA does try to put out the same lane condition.  

Surface is everything....at least to start with.    

Scott
Title: Re: a tale of two oils.
Post by: Rev_O on October 25, 2004, 01:14:09 PM
we use prodigy oil and dont have any problems.
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Title: Re: a tale of two oils.
Post by: Strider on October 26, 2004, 12:35:07 PM
Don't most of the PBA (regional included) players, in general, have higher ball speeds and rev rates that the average (or even above average) league bowler?  That would make their ball squirt through the oil easier.  If your stats are closer to 17 mph/300 rpm than 19-20 mph/400 rpm, you might have had an advantage when they were fresh.
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Title: Re: a tale of two oils.
Post by: J_Mac on October 26, 2004, 01:13:03 PM
I've said this once and I'll say it again.  Poor lane cleaning techniques can make any oil bad.  If the lane stripper isn't functioning properly it can leave the lanes a mess.  Dust and moisture settling on the lanes can have a seemingly huge impact on how the lane condition holds up as well.  

At work I can change the way lanes 5-12 play during the winter simply by opening up the back door for a few minutes.
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