Post by: shawn300 on May 04, 2003, 07:32:38 PM
Post by: card79 on May 05, 2003, 10:39:40 AM
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: 9andaWiggle on May 05, 2003, 10:48:06 AM
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Why, WHY won't the last one just fall?? It's WIGGLING for cryin' out loud!!
Post by: michelle on May 05, 2003, 10:49:32 AM
Seems like a perfectly good waste of beverage...oh wait, this isn't Tiffany where they ran out of certain beverages and you were talking about isopropyl alcohol
Card, alcohol was used a lot with the older stuff to keep the surface clean. The concepts of oil absorption is something new. The Pearl hammers probably didn't absorb a whole lot of oil
The older urethane did, however, seem prone to picking up surface debris on the track back to the ball return and alcohol did the job for a lot less cost than some of the current cleaners.
Post by: card79 on May 05, 2003, 11:06:54 AM
Sorry everyone.
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: Bjaardker on May 05, 2003, 01:43:59 PM
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Just as an info:
One of our teammates gave a small sample of a well known ball cleaner to his company's laboratory without telling them what that stuff is.
This is what they found in there:
- 60% water
- 30% ethyl alcohol
- 5% polyglycol
- 2% washingup liquid
- other useless stuff (color, fragrance,...)
Care to elaborate what the well known ball cleaner was?
I've always wanted to know what's in Hook-it personally.
Post by: dicnic on May 05, 2003, 01:44:15 PM
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What's with the Braille on a drive-up-ATM?
Never under any circumstances take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
Post by: seadrive on May 05, 2003, 01:45:59 PM
Post by: Bjaardker on May 05, 2003, 02:58:40 PM
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I'll take a guess what it was. How about Storm Proacta-Clean?
Yeah I was going to say reacta-clean.
Thanks for the info capa.
I guess I'll just have to wait until I find someone with a Mass Spectrometer laying around to find out what's in Hook-it.
On a side note, have any pro shops tried getting an MSDS (material safety data sheet) from Neotac on their products? And if so, how much of the ingredients do they disguise as "trade secret"?
Post by: da Shiv on May 05, 2003, 02:59:51 PM
I posted here on the board when I started emailing Neotac about Hook-It, and I remember several people expressed interest in finding out more about any possible health effects from using it. I promised to report here what I found out, but Neotac never got back to me about it. I probably should have pursued it, but I didn't. I just keep using the gloves.
To get back to the initial topic, it is legal to use Hook-It DURING ABC play, but I don't know if Hook-It is advisable on regular urethane. It probably is. DON'T use it on plastic, however!
Shiv
Post by: da Shiv on May 05, 2003, 03:01:33 PM
Shiv
Post by: Bjaardker on May 05, 2003, 04:36:33 PM
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Bjaardker and I both thinking MSDS simultaneously--scary.
Shiv
Hehehe, Very scary.
The only problem with the data sheets is that companies can a lot of times bury anything they want in "Trade Secret" ingredients. Good for keeping people away from stealing your product, bad for consumers wondering what the hell it is.
I just E-mailed Neotac for an MSDS. If I dont hear from them in a while I'll snail mail them.
I'll let ya know.
Edited on 5/5/2003 4:50 PM
Post by: bowlin gr8 on May 06, 2003, 10:33:47 AM
To keep it working consistant - (if dull) it may require cleaning frequently with alcohol or soapy water and a scotchbrite pad. The particles are non-abrassive and located throughout the cover so no special equipment is needed to resurface the ball and cleaning with alcohol or soapy water will not damage the ball or its reaction no matter how many times you clean it or sand it.
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Who says bowling isn't a blood sport?
Post by: Steven on May 06, 2003, 10:51:53 AM
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We recommend cleaning your ball after each league with a strong degreasing cleaner to remove oil and dirt from the ball's surface and to reduce the amount of oil absorbed into the ball. Alcohol and glass cleaners are not effective at breaking down lane oil.
We can quote manufacturers all day, but more important, use logic. Alcohol is not a degreasing agent. You want to use something that will not only clean, but chemically break down grease/oil.
Alcohol does not meet this fundamental requirement. I assume you don't use alcohol to clean the grease/oil off your stove. Why would you assume that it would be anymore effective on your bowling ball?
Use alcohol to disinfect a cut before applying a Band-Aid -- keep the stuff away from your bowling ball!
Post by: charlest on May 06, 2003, 11:40:18 AM
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Bjaardker and I both thinking MSDS simultaneously--scary.
Shiv
I cannot imagine the Neo-Tac Hook-it MSDS containing any warnings regarding human saftey. If it did, they would be in for such a mega-lawsuit, based on the recent past history of corporations being sued for denying similar knowledge to consumers, that Neo-Tac would be driven out of business very quickly.
If you're worried about Hook-it, think acetone. Acetone has been proven to be not harmful to humans yet it dissolves the plastic that is the basic component of all bowling balls.
Of course, if Neo-Tac's lawyers have not yet warned them of such ....
Post by: bowlin gr8 on May 06, 2003, 12:37:23 PM
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Who says bowling isn't a blood sport?
Post by: Bjaardker on May 06, 2003, 12:49:55 PM
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I cannot imagine the Neo-Tac Hook-it MSDS containing any warnings regarding human saftey. If it did, they would be in for such a mega-lawsuit, based on the recent past history of corporations being sued for denying similar knowledge to consumers, that Neo-Tac would be driven out of business very quickly.
If you're worried about Hook-it, think acetone. Acetone has been proven to be not harmful to humans yet it dissolves the plastic that is the basic component of all bowling balls.
Of course, if Neo-Tac's lawyers have not yet warned them of such ....
Right, but Acetone doesn't stay smelling on my hands for 2 days & 6 hand washings afterwards.
I wouldn't expect them to have any serious warnings, but I'm sure there are some.
It's more of a curiosity thing.
Post by: Strider on May 06, 2003, 02:15:30 PM
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Strider
Penn State Proud
Teamwork is a lot of people doing what I say.
Post by: Bjaardker on May 06, 2003, 02:23:51 PM
We'll find out.
Post by: Strider on May 06, 2003, 02:34:40 PM
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Strider
Penn State Proud
Teamwork is a lot of people doing what I say.
Post by: charlest on May 06, 2003, 02:45:14 PM
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Just got off the phone with Neo-tac, they are sending out the MSDS tomorrow.
We'll find out.
Did they say it was OK to make it public? I'd have to assume an MSDS is for THE PUBLIC! If you feel OK doing it, please tpye as much as you can, as is meaningful. THANKS!
Post by: charlest on May 06, 2003, 02:47:50 PM
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I cannot imagine the Neo-Tac Hook-it MSDS containing any warnings regarding human saftey. If it did, they would be in for such a mega-lawsuit, based on the recent past history of corporations being sued for denying similar knowledge to consumers, that Neo-Tac would be driven out of business very quickly.
If you're worried about Hook-it, think acetone. Acetone has been proven to be not harmful to humans yet it dissolves the plastic that is the basic component of all bowling balls.
Of course, if Neo-Tac's lawyers have not yet warned them of such ....
Right, but Acetone doesn't stay smelling on my hands for 2 days & 6 hand washings afterwards.
I wouldn't expect them to have any serious warnings, but I'm sure there are some.
It's more of a curiosity thing.
Use whatever industrial strength hand cleaner (like automotive, Lava, Lye soap) you can. If the smell is there, the chemical is there. It shouldn't be. I use strong dishwasher soap when I use Hook-It plus a vinyl glove and Thick paper towels. BUT get it off your hands! Heck, use 409 or SImple Green on your hands if necessary.
Post by: Steven on May 06, 2003, 02:57:32 PM
The things we go through to keep the cover clean....
Post by: Bjaardker on May 06, 2003, 04:02:08 PM
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Did they say it was OK to make it public? I'd have to assume an MSDS is for THE PUBLIC! If you feel OK doing it, please tpye as much as you can, as is meaningful. THANKS!
I certainly will let you all know the info I get. Manufacturers are required by law to provide MSDS for any chemicals that may be used by the public. Personally i'm suprised that one of the pro shop owners on here hasn't chimed in with their copy of the MSDS on this stuff.
My Dad has been an arborist for 27 years & we had our own business for a while. I remember reading some of the MSDS' on some of the tree chemicals & fertilizers they used. Very dry, but sometimes interesting reading.
Will let you all know the outcome.
Post by: Bjaardker on May 06, 2003, 04:05:30 PM
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Use whatever industrial strength hand cleaner (like automotive, Lava, Lye soap) you can. If the smell is there, the chemical is there. It shouldn't be. I use strong dishwasher soap when I use Hook-It plus a vinyl glove and Thick paper towels. BUT get it off your hands! Heck, use 409 or SImple Green on your hands if necessary.
I've used both my grandmothers homemade lye soap, lava, & 409, none of them got rid of the smell completely. That what got me to wondering what was in it. I was thinking either this is incredibly nasty stuff, or they put an awful lot of fragrence into a very simple compound to make people think it's really nasty. I dont apply it without a glove on anymore.
Post by: da Shiv on May 06, 2003, 04:05:36 PM
I look forward to your report on the MSDS. Neotac stopped replying to my emails when I started nosing around about Hook-It. As Strider said, I can already imagine all the horrors contained in the report. It'll probably end up sounding like we'd be safer cleaning our bowling balls with plutonium. I look forward to many fifteen syllable words.
Shiv
P.S. I'm a building engineer and I have a whole binder full of MSDS at work. It's a wonder any of us survived childhood...and we used to ride bicycles without helmets, too.
Edited on 5/6/2003 4:14 PM
Post by: dicnic on May 06, 2003, 04:40:58 PM
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Never under any circumstances take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on May 07, 2003, 08:42:22 PM
http://www.msdssearch.com/
http://www.ilpi.com/msds/#Misc
http://www.chemquik.com/site/cq/freecq.asp
http://www.msdssolutions.com/en/index.asp