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Title: And so it begins......
Post by: northface28 on November 17, 2019, 11:03:37 AM
Ronnie Russell jumped ship to Storm. From what I told, there will be more defections from EBI.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Average Joe Reviews on November 17, 2019, 11:28:17 AM
Ronnie signed with Storm way before Brunswick acquired EBI.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: SVstar34 on November 17, 2019, 11:44:00 AM
Ronnie switched on November 1st
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: 3835 on November 17, 2019, 11:55:51 AM
Makes me wonder if someone with inside info was in his ear. I was surprised when he jumped ship.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Impending Doom on November 17, 2019, 12:34:30 PM
A true measure of why a pro stays on staff is how much money they make while on it. Ronnie made plenty of shows with Motiv. How many did he make with EBI?
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Remmah on November 17, 2019, 03:40:32 PM
Balls do not overcome ABILITY
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: ignitebowling on November 17, 2019, 06:28:37 PM
Ebonite filed bankruptcy in march and was struggling filling orders on new releases and nobody knew there was an issue. Ronnie didn't know anything that others much more important then him knew. It was a huge blindside. 

The industry is shrinking.  Bowlers refuse to believe it
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: AlonzoHarris on November 17, 2019, 06:49:37 PM
Ebonite filed bankruptcy in march and was struggling filling orders on new releases and nobody knew there was an issue. Ronnie didn't know anything that others much more important then him knew. It was a huge blindside. 

The industry is shrinking.  Bowlers refuse to believe it

So not enough business to stay in the black, but enough to be behind in filling orders. Hmm.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on November 18, 2019, 10:28:41 AM
Ebonite filed bankruptcy in march and was struggling filling orders on new releases and nobody knew there was an issue. Ronnie didn't know anything that others much more important then him knew. It was a huge blindside. 

The industry is shrinking.  Bowlers refuse to believe it

# of league bowlers is shrinking in the US and I guess they buy majority of the balls.  I thought there is some solid growth overseas though.  Whatever pretty obvious EBI management wasn't um good .  Its not like they didn't have balls people wanted. 
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: JamminJD on November 18, 2019, 11:00:36 AM
Ebonite filed bankruptcy in march and was struggling filling orders on new releases and nobody knew there was an issue. Ronnie didn't know anything that others much more important then him knew. It was a huge blindside. 

The industry is shrinking.  Bowlers refuse to believe it

# of league bowlers is shrinking in the US and I guess they buy majority of the balls.  I thought there is some solid growth overseas though.  Whatever pretty obvious EBI management was shit.  Its not like they didn't have balls people wanted. 

The problem is the owners of EBI are a bigger entity than EBI. Owning Gap,Pac Sun, Victoria Secrets ect.  Even those companies profits are down so something has to go that being EBI.

These people are not bowlers they don't have as much passion like we do. Amazon, walmart and other online big companies are changing the landscape of purchasing. Malls are loosing stores like crazy, especially in smaller areas.. The game is changing rapidly..
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: northface28 on November 18, 2019, 11:21:51 AM
Ebonite filed bankruptcy in march and was struggling filling orders on new releases and nobody knew there was an issue. Ronnie didn't know anything that others much more important then him knew. It was a huge blindside. 

The industry is shrinking.  Bowlers refuse to believe it

# of league bowlers is shrinking in the US and I guess they buy majority of the balls.  I thought there is some solid growth overseas though.  Whatever pretty obvious EBI management was shit.  Its not like they didn't have balls people wanted. 

The problem is the owners of EBI are a bigger entity than EBI. Owning Gap,Pac Sun, Victoria Secrets ect.  Even those companies profits are down so something has to go that being EBI.

These people are not bowlers they don't have as much passion like we do. Amazon, walmart and other online big companies are changing the landscape of purchasing. Malls are loosing stores like crazy, especially in smaller areas.. The game is changing rapidly..

This, retail/brick & mortar are dying a rapid death, to be honest, I dont know how some pro shops keep the doors open.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: JamminJD on November 18, 2019, 12:35:55 PM
Ebonite filed bankruptcy in march and was struggling filling orders on new releases and nobody knew there was an issue. Ronnie didn't know anything that others much more important then him knew. It was a huge blindside. 

The industry is shrinking.  Bowlers refuse to believe it

# of league bowlers is shrinking in the US and I guess they buy majority of the balls.  I thought there is some solid growth overseas though.  Whatever pretty obvious EBI management was shit.  Its not like they didn't have balls people wanted. 

The problem is the owners of EBI are a bigger entity than EBI. Owning Gap,Pac Sun, Victoria Secrets ect.  Even those companies profits are down so something has to go that being EBI.

These people are not bowlers they don't have as much passion like we do. Amazon, walmart and other online big companies are changing the landscape of purchasing. Malls are loosing stores like crazy, especially in smaller areas.. The game is changing rapidly..

This, retail/brick & mortar are dying a rapid death, to be honest, I dont know how some pro shops keep the doors open.

Yep I don't either.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Impending Doom on November 18, 2019, 02:25:04 PM
Trusting online retailers to drill my stuff <shudder>.  Label drills all around.

Buddies does a great job.

I'll have a drill press in my house soon. Drilling party, anyone?
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: SVstar34 on November 18, 2019, 03:47:44 PM
Trusting online retailers to drill my stuff <shudder>.  Label drills all around.

Buddies does a great job.

I'll have a drill press in my house soon. Drilling party, anyone?

900 Global being savage right now. Flag logo and "Proudly Made in USA" on their FB page
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Impending Doom on November 18, 2019, 03:49:10 PM
Trusting online retailers to drill my stuff <shudder>.  Label drills all around.

Buddies does a great job.

I'll have a drill press in my house soon. Drilling party, anyone?

900 Global being savage right now. Flag logo and "Proudly Made in USA" on their FB page

Strike while the iron is hot!
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: ignitebowling on November 18, 2019, 05:17:57 PM
900 Global couldn't make a 3 color ball if it wasn't poured by storm/roto.  At least they have the capability of making their logo 3 colors online.

Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: milorafferty on November 18, 2019, 06:08:11 PM
Ebonite filed bankruptcy in march and was struggling filling orders on new releases and nobody knew there was an issue. Ronnie didn't know anything that others much more important then him knew. It was a huge blindside. 

The industry is shrinking.  Bowlers refuse to believe it

# of league bowlers is shrinking in the US and I guess they buy majority of the balls.  I thought there is some solid growth overseas though.  Whatever pretty obvious EBI management was shit.  Its not like they didn't have balls people wanted. 

The problem is the owners of EBI are a bigger entity than EBI. Owning Gap,Pac Sun, Victoria Secrets ect.  Even those companies profits are down so something has to go that being EBI.

These people are not bowlers they don't have as much passion like we do. Amazon, walmart and other online big companies are changing the landscape of purchasing. Malls are loosing stores like crazy, especially in smaller areas.. The game is changing rapidly..

This, retail/brick & mortar are dying a rapid death, to be honest, I dont know how some pro shops keep the doors open.

We are lucky here. There are two bowling alleys in town and both have thriving pro shops.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Dave81644 on November 18, 2019, 08:57:10 PM
Where did we find that EBI filed for bankruptcy?
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: itsallaboutme on November 18, 2019, 09:21:24 PM
They are listed in Aceto’s filing along with about 100 pages of other companies that were served by First Class Mail so that was somehow taken as Ebonite filing.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Dave81644 on November 18, 2019, 09:28:30 PM
So not actually EBI filing for bankruptcy,
A little google and found that blue9 Capitol out of NY was the investment firm that owned Ebonite International.

Not sure who Aceto is
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: northface28 on November 18, 2019, 11:04:55 PM
So not actually EBI filing for bankruptcy,
A little google and found that blue9 Capitol out of NY was the investment firm that owned Ebonite International.

Not sure who Aceto is


True company man right here, I’m surprised you’re not on suicide watch given what’s happened to your beloved EBI.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: milorafferty on November 19, 2019, 12:01:26 AM
So not actually EBI filing for bankruptcy,
A little google and found that blue9 Capitol out of NY was the investment firm that owned Ebonite International.

Not sure who Aceto is


True company man right here, I’m surprised you’re not on suicide watch given what’s happened to your beloved EBI.


That's just mean.....


...and FUNNY  😀🤣
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Dave81644 on November 19, 2019, 05:30:54 AM
Used many products over the years, theirs rolls well for me and I have friends there.
If you can't get behind something you believe in and what works for you.

If you need to bash on me and others to make yourself feel good, then so be it
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: northface28 on November 19, 2019, 07:34:46 AM
So not actually EBI filing for bankruptcy,
A little google and found that blue9 Capitol out of NY was the investment firm that owned Ebonite International.

Not sure who Aceto is


True company man right here, I’m surprised you’re not on suicide watch given what’s happened to your beloved EBI.


That's just mean.....


...and FUNNY  😀🤣

I’m just busting his chops.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on November 19, 2019, 10:23:21 AM
Wonder if they have clauses in the contract where they can bail if the company is sold?  Be interesting to see if they can keep O'Neill and Butturff long term.  Have to get the urethane right I guess.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: bowling4burgers on November 19, 2019, 11:13:50 AM
Wonder how soon Big B bowlers can start throwing EBI...
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: avabob on November 19, 2019, 02:12:52 PM
I know some storm guys who would love to get their hands on Purple Hammers.  Gotta think the same for Brunswick guys
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Steven on November 19, 2019, 02:40:11 PM
I know some storm guys who would love to get their hands on Purple Hammers.  Gotta think the same for Brunswick guys

 
Not Parker Bohn. I recently watched a short interview of him where he said he had no need for Urethane. He specifically said that Urethane was the domain for the real heavy handed guys, which wasn't his game. Just like most of us. Of course, except for some shorter pattern situations, he's absolutely correct.
 
Most bowlers will see more benefit from a specialized low differential Reactive like the Hammer Web Tour or the Brunswick Phantom. You get a good Urethane like reaction without needing a 400+ rev rate to make it happen.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: avabob on November 19, 2019, 03:22:19 PM
I was thinking of all the Storm guys throwing Pitch Blacks.   I am an old mostly over the hill stroker, but O dont go anywhere without urethane on my bad, and purple hammer is the best of the bunch.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: bowling4burgers on November 19, 2019, 03:52:30 PM
I know some storm guys who would love to get their hands on Purple Hammers.  Gotta think the same for Brunswick guys

 
Not Parker Bohn. I recently watched a short interview of him where he said he had no need for Urethane. He specifically said that Urethane was the domain for the real heavy handed guys, which wasn't his game. Just like most of us. Of course, except for some shorter pattern situations, he's absolutely correct.
 
Most bowlers will see more benefit from a specialized low differential Reactive like the Hammer Web Tour or the Brunswick Phantom. You get a good Urethane like reaction without needing a 400+ rev rate to make it happen.
Speaking of the Phantom, I was extremely skeptical, but darn if Lane Side didn't show it just about rolls like the OG Slate Blue Phantom. Pretty amazing really.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Steven on November 20, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
I know some storm guys who would love to get their hands on Purple Hammers.  Gotta think the same for Brunswick guys

 
Not Parker Bohn. I recently watched a short interview of him where he said he had no need for Urethane. He specifically said that Urethane was the domain for the real heavy handed guys, which wasn't his game. Just like most of us. Of course, except for some shorter pattern situations, he's absolutely correct.
 
Most bowlers will see more benefit from a specialized low differential Reactive like the Hammer Web Tour or the Brunswick Phantom. You get a good Urethane like reaction without needing a 400+ rev rate to make it happen.
Speaking of the Phantom, I was extremely skeptical, but darn if Lane Side didn't show it just about rolls like the OG Slate Blue Phantom. Pretty amazing really.


I have the Purple Hammer and the new Phantom. The track flare is almost identical. The difference is that the Phantom doesn’t puke in carrydown the way the Hammer and other Urethane balls do.


The Purple Hammer is probably the best current Urethane out there. But it’s still a Urethane, and at best is a niche special purpose ball for all except those who have a lot of hand. A low differential Reactive like the Phantom will almost always be a better choice when a Urethane like reaction is needed.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on November 20, 2019, 10:02:34 AM
I know some storm guys who would love to get their hands on Purple Hammers.  Gotta think the same for Brunswick guys

 
Not Parker Bohn. I recently watched a short interview of him where he said he had no need for Urethane. He specifically said that Urethane was the domain for the real heavy handed guys, which wasn't his game. Just like most of us. Of course, except for some shorter pattern situations, he's absolutely correct.
 
Most bowlers will see more benefit from a specialized low differential Reactive like the Hammer Web Tour or the Brunswick Phantom. You get a good Urethane like reaction without needing a 400+ rev rate to make it happen.
Speaking of the Phantom, I was extremely skeptical, but darn if Lane Side didn't show it just about rolls like the OG Slate Blue Phantom. Pretty amazing really.


I have the Purple Hammer and the new Phantom. The track flare is almost identical. The difference is that the Phantom doesn’t puke in carrydown the way the Hammer and other Urethane balls do.


The Purple Hammer is probably the best current Urethane out there. But it’s still a Urethane, and at best is a niche special purpose ball for all except those who have a lot of hand. A low differential Reactive like the Phantom will almost always be a better choice when a Urethane like reaction is needed.

Absolutely true for 95% of bowlers especially on THS but top guys like Butturff and O'Neill unlike PB3 have being winning on the main tour very recently and with urethane.  Jesper looks like coming out of slump as well (not EBI but still).  For some of the top guys (back on topic) urethane lineup does matter.  Probably be in Brunswick best interest to make sure new EBI urethane balls are just as good as the old for holding onto some of the top guys though granted $$$ still main thing I am sure.  Brunswick needs to own it makes the best urethane now imo because that is part of the price they paid for.  Not like R&D costs are that high (just paid for it) and already have proven winners at least for several more years minimum.  We shall see I guess.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: batbowler on November 21, 2019, 01:10:11 PM
Ebonite filed bankruptcy in march and was struggling filling orders on new releases and nobody knew there was an issue. Ronnie didn't know anything that others much more important then him knew. It was a huge blindside. 

The industry is shrinking.  Bowlers refuse to believe it

# of league bowlers is shrinking in the US and I guess they buy majority of the balls.  I thought there is some solid growth overseas though.  Whatever pretty obvious EBI management was shit.  Its not like they didn't have balls people wanted. 

The problem is the owners of EBI are a bigger entity than EBI. Owning Gap,Pac Sun, Victoria Secrets ect.  Even those companies profits are down so something has to go that being EBI.

These people are not bowlers they don't have as much passion like we do. Amazon, walmart and other online big companies are changing the landscape of purchasing. Malls are loosing stores like crazy, especially in smaller areas.. The game is changing rapidly..
They weren't owned by Victoria Secret owner, but Blue 9 Capital an investment group! Tuttleman who on the board of both EBI and Blue 9 Capital!
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: tommyboy74 on December 07, 2019, 09:39:08 PM
Stefanie Johnson is the latest to leave EBI.  She is now part of the Roto Grip staff.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: soonerdallas on December 07, 2019, 09:45:21 PM
It also appears that EBI guys can now throw Brunswick.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Metal_rules on December 07, 2019, 10:14:40 PM
Stefanie Johnson is the latest to leave EBI.  She is now part of the Roto Grip staff.
Stefanie will OWN IT now! Smart decision.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on December 07, 2019, 10:36:43 PM
2nd on money list, not a bowler wanted to lose imo.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: SVstar34 on December 07, 2019, 11:32:51 PM
It also appears that EBI guys can now throw Brunswick.

Saw a video from Kyle Sherman throwing the Melee Jab. Rumor is EBI staffers free to throw balls from any of the 7 brands at the moment and Brunswick staffers have to wait for the "New EBI" balls to throw everything
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: 3835 on December 08, 2019, 05:59:23 AM
Anderson was throwing a Hero all day yesterday at a tournament.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: CoorZero on December 08, 2019, 08:47:28 AM
It also appears that EBI guys can now throw Brunswick.

Saw a video from Kyle Sherman throwing the Melee Jab. Rumor is EBI staffers free to throw balls from any of the 7 brands at the moment and Brunswick staffers have to wait for the "New EBI" balls to throw everything
 

Makes sense. That gets more eyes on Brunswick stuff being thrown.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: northface28 on December 08, 2019, 12:23:28 PM
It also appears that EBI guys can now throw Brunswick.

Saw a video from Kyle Sherman throwing the Melee Jab. Rumor is EBI staffers free to throw balls from any of the 7 brands at the moment and Brunswick staffers have to wait for the "New EBI" balls to throw everything

Kyle threw Brunswick at Lindenwood so he’s more familiar with their stuff than most.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: tommyboy74 on December 10, 2019, 05:26:51 PM
On Motiv's Facebook page today, they announced that Patrick Girard has returned to Motiv after being away the last few years.  He signed a 2 year contract and is the latest to leave EBI after Brunswick purchased them.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: AlonzoHarris on December 10, 2019, 11:16:45 PM
On Motiv's Facebook page today, they announced that Patrick Girard has returned to Motiv after being away the last few years.  He signed a 2 year contract and is the latest to leave EBI after Brunswick purchased them.

Nice nice
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: tommyboy74 on December 27, 2019, 07:21:46 PM
Another huge change was announced today.  Diana Zavjalova announced that she has left EBI and joined Storm.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Track_Fanatic on December 27, 2019, 07:49:44 PM
Trusting online retailers to drill my stuff <shudder>.  Label drills all around.

Buddies does a great job.

I'll have a drill press in my house soon. Drilling party, anyone?

Buddies does an awesome job.  All the bowling balls you picked up from me were mostly drilled by them.  Glad I can't bowl anymore.  With you having a drill press, I'd be over at your house all of the time!
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: six pack on December 27, 2019, 09:59:36 PM
I second that Buddies is tops
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: DP3 on December 27, 2019, 11:04:38 PM
Rumor has it that Storm is signing 2 huge male talents that will announce January 2020. One is a huge surprise.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on December 27, 2019, 11:08:54 PM
Rumor has it that Storm is signing 2 huge male talents that will announce January 2020. One is a huge surprise.

A certain lefty who goes around the pattern?
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Dave81644 on December 27, 2019, 11:11:57 PM
Sounds like Storm is offering some players medical benefits to jump ship.
Don't know this for fact, but have heard that a few times now
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: tommyboy74 on December 27, 2019, 11:24:00 PM
If I had to speculate, the really huge surprise could be Tommy Jones or Sean Rash.  Both of those would be big surprises as TJ has been with Ebonite his entire career in the PBA.  Sean Rash would be a bigger surprise as he has always been with Big B, from youth days, college bowling at Wichita State, and then his entire PBA career. 

As for the other huge talent, my guess would possibly be Jakob Butturff.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: northface28 on December 27, 2019, 11:34:57 PM
I know and it’s going to knock your briefs off.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: ignitebowling on December 28, 2019, 09:45:37 AM
Storm pays more pros then anybody.  In the late 90s/2000s Brunswick did the same across the three tours.  Then Brunswick dumped almost all of them reducing their pro staff.  No doubt with the acquisition of the Ebi brands this trend wouldn't change.  Keep some let the rest go.

Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: themagician on December 28, 2019, 09:59:18 AM
I know and it’s going to knock your briefs off.

Words sneaking out, but yeah, i'm not spoiling it here, will say though, was a name I wasn't expecting...
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: freak761 on December 28, 2019, 10:32:47 AM
Probably EJ Tackett would be the biggest surprise. Hope he stays with Motiv though.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: mainzer on December 28, 2019, 12:46:36 PM
I know and it’s going to knock your briefs off.

Words sneaking out, but yeah, i'm not spoiling it here, will say though, was a name I wasn't expecting...

Not Diana Z?
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: tommyboy74 on December 28, 2019, 12:47:50 PM
I know and it’s going to knock your briefs off.

Words sneaking out, but yeah, i'm not spoiling it here, will say though, was a name I wasn't expecting...

Not Diana Z?

Diana Z announced yesterday that she joined Storm on her Facebook page.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Remmah on December 28, 2019, 04:30:43 PM
Two are obvious and one is predictable
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on December 28, 2019, 07:40:55 PM
Sounds like Storm is offering some players medical benefits to jump ship.
Don't know this for fact, but have heard that a few times now

That is a sad indictment on the industry that is enough to move contracts as that sh1t should be standard everywhere.  Fighting for peanuts sadly.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: ignitebowling on December 29, 2019, 08:43:18 PM
Sounds like Storm is offering some players medical benefits to jump ship.
Don't know this for fact, but have heard that a few times now

That is a sad indictment on the industry that is enough to move contracts as that sh1t should be standard everywhere.  Fighting for peanuts sadly.

Considering in todays times health insurance probably cost more then many of their contracts. There's a reason no one talks about the actual value of these players contracts.  Outside of maybe 3 to 5 male bowlers the contracts probably aren't worth talking about as income.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: SMACdi on December 30, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
Employment law is changing rapidly across the country.  The argument between employer and independent contractor are hard to define. 
If a company has 2 people doing the same job, one is on payroll, receives a W-2 at the end of the year, eligible for benefits, etc. vs. the other receiving a 1099 they are walking on a slippery slope.  Worse yet, is where a the company gives, or provides at a steep discount, their product to promote.  The company is benefiting from the individuals contribution no differently than the individual contributors at the company headquarters that are receiving full benefits.  Once someone becomes classified as an "employee" they have to be offered benefits. 
Staff members are likely thought of as independent contractors since they have the opportunity to take their talents to different companies and benefit (tournament winnings) from their arrangement with the company.  The problem with that thought is exclusivity.  Once you sign you cannot take your talents elsewhere until the end of your contract.  That makes it easier for the staffer not getting paid to make the argument they are an "employee". 
California AB5 was signed by Gov. Newsome in September.  https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_independentcontractor.htm  CA has always been the state companies look toward for trends in employment law.  I suspect if staff players are being offered benefit package it is not to entice them to jump ship but rather in preparation for changes in the employment law landscape.  Storm/RG/900 Global, Big B, Motive, etc. have some really smart people behind the business decisions they make.  There isn't any ROI by offering benefits.  Couple that with the fact that they can't offer player A benefits without offering the same benefits to players B-Z.  Sure, they can pay them differently based on their level of talent but you have to treat them equally in all other ways if they become classified as an employee under the law.
 
If it is fact that companies are offering benefit packages to staffers it will certainly be interesting to watch unfold. 
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on December 30, 2019, 10:09:40 AM
Employment law is changing rapidly across the country.  The argument between employer and independent contractor are hard to define. 
If a company has 2 people doing the same job, one is on payroll, receives a W-2 at the end of the year, eligible for benefits, etc. vs. the other receiving a 1099 they are walking on a slippery slope.  Worse yet, is where a the company gives, or provides at a steep discount, their product to promote.  The company is benefiting from the individuals contribution no differently than the individual contributors at the company headquarters that are receiving full benefits.  Once someone becomes classified as an "employee" they have to be offered benefits. 
Staff members are likely thought of as independent contractors since they have the opportunity to take their talents to different companies and benefit (tournament winnings) from their arrangement with the company.  The problem with that thought is exclusivity.  Once you sign you cannot take your talents elsewhere until the end of your contract.  That makes it easier for the staffer not getting paid to make the argument they are an "employee". 
California AB5 was signed by Gov. Newsome in September.  https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_independentcontractor.htm  CA has always been the state companies look toward for trends in employment law.  I suspect if staff players are being offered benefit package it is not to entice them to jump ship but rather in preparation for changes in the employment law landscape.  Storm/RG/900 Global, Big B, Motive, etc. have some really smart people behind the business decisions they make.  There isn't any ROI by offering benefits.  Couple that with the fact that they can't offer player A benefits without offering the same benefits to players B-Z.  Sure, they can pay them differently based on their level of talent but you have to treat them equally in all other ways if they become classified as an employee under the law.
 
If it is fact that companies are offering benefit packages to staffers it will certainly be interesting to watch unfold.

Not really the companies are fighting for survival and pulling benefits right and left any way from staffers.  Having to consider them employees would just accelerate it.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: avabob on December 30, 2019, 11:57:30 AM
I see Tommy Jones was still wearing an Ebonite shirt, but was throwing Brunswick in the Amateur vs Pro event that he won
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Bowler19525 on December 30, 2019, 12:00:26 PM
I see Tommy Jones was still wearing an Ebonite shirt, but was throwing Brunswick in the Amateur vs Pro event that he won

Now that Brunswick owns Ebonite, they are letting staffers throw all of the brands.  Shannon O'Keefe posted on her Facebook page that she was getting a whole bunch of Brunswick equipment drilled up.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: AlonzoHarris on December 30, 2019, 12:17:09 PM
Sooo who is coming over to Utah next?
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: 2handedrook12 on December 30, 2019, 03:26:55 PM
Sooo who is coming over to Utah next?
All I want to know especially since the rumor says one is a big name.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: leftybowler70 on December 30, 2019, 03:50:04 PM
🤔🤔🤔
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Tommy716 on December 30, 2019, 04:45:26 PM
Is it Colin Kaepernick?
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Remmah on December 30, 2019, 04:46:10 PM
All three from EBI all three right handed
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: milorafferty on December 30, 2019, 05:05:55 PM
Is it Colin Kaepernick?

It could have been, but he refused to attend the scheduled tryout...
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Post by: Bowlaholic on December 30, 2019, 05:43:15 PM
Am I the only one who was not able to watch the Bowlero Elite am vs. pro broadcast Sat.(12/28)?  Avabob just posted the winner.  I was planning to watch it this evening, thanks for the spoiler.  Much appreciated!!
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Post by: AlonzoHarris on December 31, 2019, 12:01:34 PM
My guess is these guys...

Tom Daugherty
Shawn Maldonado
Mitch Hupe

I'd like to see Kyle Sherman and Andrew Anderson come over.
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Post by: participating on December 31, 2019, 08:40:01 PM
How about... Bill O'Neill & Dom Barrett
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Post by: avabob on December 31, 2019, 11:54:50 PM
No guesses, but I would think someone would snag Bill O Neill.
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Post by: AlonzoHarris on January 01, 2020, 09:50:19 AM
No guesses, but I would think someone would snag Bill O Neill.

I thought he just signed a multi year extension a couple months back.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: themagician on January 01, 2020, 10:12:51 AM
Greg Ostrander to Roto Grip from Big B is now public, there's some more news coming later today...

And

AJ Johnson to Motiv...
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Post by: nycatl on January 01, 2020, 11:25:08 AM
My guess is these guys...

Tom Daugherty
Shawn Maldonado
Mitch Hupe

I'd like to see Kyle Sherman and Andrew Anderson come over.


Time heals all wounds, but, would be shocked if it was TD.  Remember the callout on national TV after he won his first title after leaving Storm...
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Post by: DP3 on January 01, 2020, 12:01:11 PM
AJ Johnson to Motiv.

The big one is going to announce soon.
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Post by: 2handedrook12 on January 01, 2020, 12:36:33 PM
Greg Ostrander to Roto Grip from Big B is now public, there's some more news coming later today...

And

AJ Johnson to Motiv...
Wesley Low to Motiv
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Post by: tommyboy74 on January 01, 2020, 01:03:29 PM
International bowler Kim Bolleby has also joined Motiv.  He is known for making a run at the 2015  PBA Viper Championship, as well as having won titles in many different countries.
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Post by: 2handedrook12 on January 01, 2020, 02:18:52 PM
Greg Young to Storm.
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Post by: northface28 on January 01, 2020, 02:20:06 PM
Some of you have inboxed me and I’m sorry to say I can’t share who it is.
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Post by: tommyboy74 on January 01, 2020, 02:22:17 PM
Motiv signed German national team member Pascal Winterheimer from EBI.  He has competed in the PBA World Series in the past.
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Post by: tkkshop on January 01, 2020, 02:25:21 PM
Some of you have inboxed me and I’m sorry to say I can’t share who it is.
fake news! :D
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Post by: Good Times Good Times on January 01, 2020, 03:38:46 PM
northface going from Storm/Roto and signing with the Brunswick clearance section?  :-X
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Post by: tommyboy74 on January 01, 2020, 04:02:47 PM
Motiv just announced within the past hour that Chris Loschetter has rejoined the pro staff.  Also, Connor Pickford is back with Motiv as he signed a 2 year deal.
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Post by: northface28 on January 01, 2020, 04:57:46 PM
northface going from Storm/Roto and signing with the Brunswick clearance section?  :-X


I’d rather not bowl.
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Post by: earlyrolling on January 03, 2020, 01:28:51 PM
Still waiting to hear of the "big" move alluded to on this thread...
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Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 03, 2020, 08:20:03 PM
northface going from Storm/Roto and signing with the Brunswick clearance section?  :-X


I’d rather not bowl.

But its all about the hunt with the Ross dress for less brand of bowling (still love that North line).
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: DP3 on January 03, 2020, 10:49:19 PM
Still waiting to hear of the "big" move alluded to on this thread...

Wait until after Team USA Trials. There's a few guys and gals that didn't want to make a huge switch before the tournament.

I was few incorrect information about Wes Low. He's a Motiv guy now.
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Post by: 2handedrook12 on January 06, 2020, 09:40:30 PM
I think a sign just dropped.
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Post by: themagician on January 07, 2020, 11:00:40 AM
Rash to 900 Global
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Post by: Luke Rosdahl on January 07, 2020, 11:02:59 AM
That's super shocking, would be like PDW leaving Storm or Couch leaving EBI . .
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Post by: tommyboy74 on January 07, 2020, 11:05:42 AM
Never thought Rash would ever leave Big B.
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Post by: Impending Doom on January 07, 2020, 11:24:30 AM
They bounced me for Rash??

I guess...
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Post by: AlonzoHarris on January 07, 2020, 11:37:20 AM
They bounced me for Rash??

I guess...

I like you better Doom. Ridiculous.
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Post by: northface28 on January 07, 2020, 12:10:14 PM
So to those who PMed me and I liked you I told you this. Wasn’t quite rash to storm like I said but I was very confident he was leaving. He will actually have balls that do stuff down lane.
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Post by: Bowlaholic on January 07, 2020, 12:18:18 PM
Rash's picture/bio is gone from the Brunswick website.  However, there is no mention (news) on the 900 Global website as to him moving to 900 Global.
Has anybody seem an formal announcement on this move?  If so, I would like to read it.
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Post by: DanScig on January 07, 2020, 01:00:00 PM
Rash has signed with 900 Global confirmation story is on Flobowling.com 
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Post by: big_bg on January 07, 2020, 01:20:08 PM
Brunswick really needs to emphasize some of the young guys who came over with the Ebonite purchase. I don’t think their “Legends” marketing formula is too successful. Good on 900 Global signing Rash they have some interesting stuff and with Rash and Barnes should get some good exposure.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 07, 2020, 01:39:35 PM
Brunswick really needs to emphasize some of the young guys who came over with the Ebonite purchase. I don’t think their “Legends” marketing formula is too successful. Good on 900 Global signing Rash they have some interesting stuff and with Rash and Barnes should get some good exposure.

Yep Tommy Jones looking good throwing that Hero means Brunswick would be stupid to not make it a priority to keep the EBI guys.  Not like they have a fall back plan now unless they are going to double down on the grey beards.
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Post by: iamone78 on January 07, 2020, 01:52:33 PM
A great addition to the team!
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Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 07, 2020, 01:55:34 PM
A great addition to the team!

Darn wish it would have been Storm so him and Belmo could do the doubles tournament.  Bowling equivalent to Blades of Glory.
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Post by: bradl on January 07, 2020, 02:47:15 PM
A great addition to the team!

Darn wish it would have been Storm so him and Belmo could do the doubles tournament.  Bowling equivalent to Blades of Glory.

But now he'll have to deal with the fact that Daria has more hand and revs than him.  ;)

BL.
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Post by: themagician on January 07, 2020, 03:02:44 PM
Minor but Dom Barrett and Kyle Sherman are now Brunswick staffers.
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Post by: DP3 on January 07, 2020, 03:04:13 PM
Greg Young Jr officially to Storm.

He's gonna have a breakout year really soon
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Post by: ignitebowling on January 07, 2020, 03:08:01 PM
A great addition to the team!

Darn wish it would have been Storm so him and Belmo could do the doubles tournament.  Bowling equivalent to Blades of Glory.

But now he'll have to deal with the fact that Daria has more hand and revs than him.  ;)

BL.


Hows that working out for her on the womens tour?
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: DP3 on January 07, 2020, 03:13:07 PM
Connor Pickford back to Motiv.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: stormed1 on January 07, 2020, 06:09:21 PM
Sean Rash to 900 Global
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Post by: themagician on January 08, 2020, 10:05:58 AM
Verity Crawley left EBI for Storm.
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Post by: Impending Doom on January 08, 2020, 11:02:16 AM
Dom Barrett to Brunswick
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Post by: Bowler19525 on January 08, 2020, 11:34:52 AM
Dom Barrett to Brunswick

If he was already with Track/EBI, who was acquired by Brunswick, is he really leaving one to go to the other?

All of these changes can really make your head spin!
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Post by: SVstar34 on January 08, 2020, 12:30:26 PM
Verity Crawley left EBI for Storm.

I can see Verity throwing the Idol series a lot. Could be a really good change for her
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Post by: AlonzoHarris on January 08, 2020, 01:09:57 PM
Verity Crawley left EBI for Storm.

I can see Verity throwing the Idol series a lot. Could be a really good change for her

Yeah I like this one.
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Post by: JamminJD on January 08, 2020, 01:43:11 PM
Dom Barrett to Brunswick

If he was already with Track/EBI, who was acquired by Brunswick, is he really leaving one to go to the other?

All of these changes can really make your head spin!

Losing Rash they are trying to replace him with a established winner and a new face that is doing good in social world (Sherman).. It all just comes out in the wash with 7 brands at the end...
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: DP3 on January 08, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
Brunswick needs to seek the help of Ebonite's Marketing Department (mostly Inside Bowling). Their current Social Media and Youtube efforts are terrible.
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Post by: JamminJD on January 08, 2020, 01:48:46 PM
Brunswick needs to seek the help of Ebonite's Marketing Department (mostly Inside Bowling). Their current Social Media and Youtube efforts are terrible.

I want to think I was told that Inside bowling (Flanagan) would be working with them... you are correct about what they have now its hideous.
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Post by: themagician on January 08, 2020, 01:55:22 PM
Brunswick needs to seek the help of Ebonite's Marketing Department (mostly Inside Bowling). Their current Social Media and Youtube efforts are terrible.

I want to think I was told that Inside bowling (Flanagan) would be working with them... you are correct about what they have now its hideous.

On the live streams Mike made it sound like they are going to be working with Brunswick. The one thing is though, for as good as the EBI marketing was, they still weren't selling enough balls to keep the 4 brands alive. I cannot imagine Big B trying to manage 7.

And FWIW, changing some EBI guys to Brunswick help push the Big B brand, and I'm sure there is some contract incentives that go along with it even though they have access to all 7 brands.
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Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 08, 2020, 02:17:31 PM
Brunswick needs to seek the help of Ebonite's Marketing Department (mostly Inside Bowling). Their current Social Media and Youtube efforts are terrible.

You mean DV8 isn't hip?
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Post by: AlonzoHarris on January 08, 2020, 02:18:45 PM
Brunswick needs to seek the help of Ebonite's Marketing Department (mostly Inside Bowling). Their current Social Media and Youtube efforts are terrible.

You mean DV8 isn't hip?

DV8, the brand that appeals to the team you dread having to bowl near.
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Post by: Gid837 on January 08, 2020, 02:56:15 PM
I know of another departure about to happen. Can't say I'm happy about it, but after hearing what they did to him. Im on his side completely
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Post by: themagician on January 08, 2020, 04:00:49 PM
I know of another departure about to happen. Can't say I'm happy about it, but after hearing what they did to him. Im on his side completely

Probably not the one you are referencing, but I saw Charlie Brown Jr didn't get resigned by DV8 and is now a free agent.
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Post by: BrunsNick on January 08, 2020, 05:41:28 PM
Brunswick needs to seek the help of Ebonite's Marketing Department (mostly Inside Bowling). Their current Social Media and Youtube efforts are terrible.

Over 7.5 Million videos views in 2019 just on Facebook and YouTube.
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Post by: milorafferty on January 08, 2020, 06:11:45 PM
Brunswick needs to seek the help of Ebonite's Marketing Department (mostly Inside Bowling). Their current Social Media and Youtube efforts are terrible.

Over 7.5 Million videos views in 2019 just on Facebook and YouTube.

Worried about your job?  ???
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Post by: BrunsNick on January 08, 2020, 06:16:08 PM
Brunswick needs to seek the help of Ebonite's Marketing Department (mostly Inside Bowling). Their current Social Media and Youtube efforts are terrible.

Over 7.5 Million videos views in 2019 just on Facebook and YouTube.

Worried about your job?  ???

Nope. Excited to collaborate with Mike and his team building the #Magnificent7
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: milorafferty on January 08, 2020, 06:20:24 PM
Brunswick needs to seek the help of Ebonite's Marketing Department (mostly Inside Bowling). Their current Social Media and Youtube efforts are terrible.

Over 7.5 Million videos views in 2019 just on Facebook and YouTube.

Worried about your job?  ???

Nope. Excited to collaborate with Mike and his team building the #Magnificent7

7.5 million views is nothing on YouTube as I understand it.
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Post by: BrunsNick on January 08, 2020, 06:26:04 PM
Brunswick needs to seek the help of Ebonite's Marketing Department (mostly Inside Bowling). Their current Social Media and Youtube efforts are terrible.

Over 7.5 Million videos views in 2019 just on Facebook and YouTube.

Worried about your job?  ???

Nope. Excited to collaborate with Mike and his team building the #Magnificent7

7.5 million views is nothing on YouTube as I understand it.

Much like the relation of bowling to anything mainstream, but that wasn’t the comparison.
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Post by: northface28 on January 08, 2020, 08:24:50 PM
Brunswick needs to seek the help of Ebonite's Marketing Department (mostly Inside Bowling). Their current Social Media and Youtube efforts are terrible.

Over 7.5 Million videos views in 2019 just on Facebook and YouTube.

Worried about your job?  ???

Nope. Excited to collaborate with Mike and his team building the #Magnificent7

Please......Brunswick hasn’t been relevant since, well, since you were last relevant.
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Post by: 3835 on January 08, 2020, 08:36:10 PM
Yeah...is that 7.5 million unique views or total meaning someone could have viewed the same video 100 times and you count it 100 times? If so, then 7.5 million views means NOTHING!
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Post by: BrunsNick on January 08, 2020, 08:40:59 PM
It’s a surprise that Facebook groups have made message boards obsolete, especially with the vast amount of experts here offering their valued opinions.
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Post by: milorafferty on January 08, 2020, 08:45:10 PM
Yeah...is that 7.5 million unique views or total meaning someone could have viewed the same video 100 times and you count it 100 times? If so, then 7.5 million views means NOTHING!

7.5 million views is nothing on youtube. There is a mechanic in Houston who gives car repair advice and talks a lot about how great toyotas(specifically his 94 celica) that has 800 million views. There is also a 4 year old who makes videos of himself playing with new toys who had 585 million views in July 2019 alone. That's one month.

So yea, 7.5 million isn't shit. But believe what you want.
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Post by: milorafferty on January 08, 2020, 08:46:37 PM
It’s a surprise that Facebook groups have made message boards obsolete, especially with the vast amount of experts here offering their valued opinions.

Glad we could help you out. Are you going to share what you learned with the facebook gang?
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: BrunsNick on January 08, 2020, 08:49:44 PM
So compare apples to apples and get back to me. Do an analysis of the other brands of bowling and see where we are at. Until then...
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Post by: DP3 on January 08, 2020, 09:11:23 PM
I've been working in digital and social media marketing for the past 7 years and I currently manage a $20 Million+ Dollar/year digital media ad spend for a giant corporation with my small team of 6 people. There's a ton more that every bowling brand could be doing in this space. The bowling industry is years behind in the digital marketing world. I'm a bowler though (a bad one) but nonetheless, I wish the best for everyone involved in it.

Just saying.
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Post by: northface28 on January 08, 2020, 09:15:35 PM
So compare apples to apples and get back to me. Do an analysis of the other brands of bowling and see where we are at. Until then...

Last I checked the clearance section. Usually 2 weeks after a new release.
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Post by: BrunsNick on January 08, 2020, 09:43:14 PM
I've been working in digital and social media marketing for the past 7 years and I currently manage a $20 Million+ Dollar/year digital media ad spend for a giant corporation with my small team of 6 people. There's a ton more that every bowling brand could be doing in this space. The bowling industry is years behind in the digital marketing world. I'm a bowler though (a bad one) but nonetheless, I wish the best for everyone involved in it.

Just saying.

Bowling isn’t a giant corporation, it’s a small business. Even when Brunswick Corporation held the entire bowling division, the slice on that corporate pie chart was just a sliver.
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Post by: DP3 on January 08, 2020, 10:10:17 PM
No reason bowling brands can't market themselves like the giant corporations. There's more bowlers in the U.S. than the industry that I'm in. There's lots of basics that I see broken by every brand, including the PBA on every digital marketing platform. Especially on the paid and organic side of Email, Youtube, Facebook & Instagram, and Google SEO/SEM/GDN platforms. If companies like Ebonite were going about growth & marketing in the correct way, 5-6 years ago, then they might have not gone under.

Its good that bowling companies want to give jobs to true bowlers. We often see that many times, companies pass over expert talent in key areas of business development that could have helped the company's bottom line for bowlers who have a big average and name recognition.

When i was on a job search years ago, I presented many case studies, action plans, along with my professional resume to every company including the USBC & PBA but my lack of inside connections, honor scores and low average never even lead to a email response or call back. So i made the pivot to working with startups, influencer marketing, and worked my way up to big corporate agency work.

Best of luck with the influx of brands to build Brunsnick. I know that you care about what you do and will give it 100%.

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Post by: Skip H on January 09, 2020, 07:45:02 AM
Yeah...is that 7.5 million unique views or total meaning someone could have viewed the same video 100 times and you count it 100 times? If so, then 7.5 million views means NOTHING!

7.5 million views is nothing on youtube. There is a mechanic in Houston who gives car repair advice and talks a lot about how great toyotas(specifically his 94 celica) that has 800 million views. There is also a 4 year old who makes videos of himself playing with new toys who had 585 million views in July 2019 alone. That's one month.

So yea, 7.5 million isn't shit. But believe what you want.

Is that mechanic in Houston, Scotty? I watch his stuff a lot.
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Post by: themagician on January 09, 2020, 07:46:33 AM
Best of luck with the influx of brands to build Brunsnick. I know that you care about what you do and will give it 100%.



Agree with this, and I feel like people poking at Brunsnick either haven't been around here long enough or have chosen to forget how much he has invested to get where he is at and continues to do.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: milorafferty on January 09, 2020, 09:37:49 AM
Yeah...is that 7.5 million unique views or total meaning someone could have viewed the same video 100 times and you count it 100 times? If so, then 7.5 million views means NOTHING!

7.5 million views is nothing on youtube. There is a mechanic in Houston who gives car repair advice and talks a lot about how great toyotas(specifically his 94 celica) that has 800 million views. There is also a 4 year old who makes videos of himself playing with new toys who had 585 million views in July 2019 alone. That's one month.

So yea, 7.5 million isn't shit. But believe what you want.

Is that mechanic in Houston, Scotty? I watch his stuff a lot.

Yep, that's him. Pretty entertaining to watch.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: milorafferty on January 09, 2020, 09:52:38 AM
Best of luck with the influx of brands to build Brunsnick. I know that you care about what you do and will give it 100%.



Agree with this, and I feel like people poking at Brunsnick either haven't been around here long enough or have chosen to forget how much he has invested to get where he is at and continues to do.

Brunsnick brought this on himself. If he can't take a little bit of "poking" then he shouldn't jump into it every time he feels the desire.

If you are the public face of company, telling prospective customers they "look like a fool" or making snide comments about "the experts" on this site is a huge mistake in my opinion.

But what the hell do I know, I'm just some dumb ass idiot who buys 10 or more bowling balls, along with various other bowling related products from my local pro shop EVERY year.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Bowlaholic on January 09, 2020, 09:56:00 AM
Brunsnick,
I believe you have contributed many positive and educational posts over the years representing Brunswick.  For me you have been someone who I believe and trust in your posts. 
Don't let some of the people who have responded on here to the way they have to your posts discourage your contributions on this site going forward.  I for one will always read, learn, and enjoy your posts.

Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on January 09, 2020, 10:15:54 AM
I would never go after Brunsnick personally but his brand(s) are fair game and I probably own 30+ Big B family poured balls from various eras.  Ross dress for less these days.  But then again bargains can be tempting but paying full price yeah nah I'm good.
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Post by: Impending Doom on January 09, 2020, 10:20:19 AM
Yeah, this post got personal super fast.

Nick should know better as he is a representative of his company. Discretion is the better part of valor, my man. Engaging in back and forth with consumers in a negative way doesn't help your brand. You're a super bright hard working young man who did work to get where you are today. Be confident in that truth, and let anything you feel is disrespectful slide. This kind of back and forth doesn't help at all.
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Post by: BrunsNick on January 09, 2020, 10:25:23 AM
Thanks Bowlaholic and themagician, now my contributions are through our brands in the form of education and tech. 17th year with Brunswick now, time has flown by.

I can take the poking, trolling is an art and it is what helped build the internet into what it is today. Unfortunately, there’s very few Rembrandts.
Title: Re: And so it begins......
Post by: Good Times Good Times on January 09, 2020, 01:53:09 PM
I view myself as a bit more of a Michelangelo.....  :P  :P  :P  ;)
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Post by: Impending Doom on January 09, 2020, 01:57:11 PM
I view myself as a bit more of a Michelangelo.....  :P  :P  :P  ;)

I'm more Raphael.

Are we talking about TMNT now?
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on January 09, 2020, 04:04:33 PM
Paint by numbers, myself.