Post by: PJM300 on October 17, 2006, 08:15:49 AM
Post by: Rantings on October 17, 2006, 04:26:32 PM
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on October 17, 2006, 05:06:31 PM
Walter had a camera flashed in his face. He acted professional enough not to lose his cool too much. Kirk Von Krueger, the Director specifically told the audience no flash photography. Sounds like a simple rule to me. Apparently, the PBA didn't do any frisking after that incident and the same thing happend by a fan in the 2005 US Open to Patrick Allen. Again, he told the fan not to do that, did throw a 4 letter word muttered and that was that. Both resulted in open frames because of a split and a washout.
Randy Pederson was different. He disgraced himself on national tv. Apparently, and coincidently at the end of the game on a must strike ball a fan supposedly said or shouted something on the 2nd level of the auditorium. I couldn't hear it on tape, but Pederson made himself look foolish and unprofessional. The thing that ticks me most off about Randy Pederson is HE WAS LUCKY JUST TO BE ON TV much less the whole tournament. A few touraments before, Amleto Monacelli knocked him out of the Tournament of Champions. BUT...Pete Weber, who was in the TOC dropped out due to a shoulder injury. That then let Randy Pederson back in the tournament. Granted, he went through all the brackets to make it to tv, but still that was the biggest insult from a PBA player I've ever seen!
Post by: strikestriketapped on October 17, 2006, 07:48:08 PM
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Post by: Leftyhi-trak on October 17, 2006, 09:39:27 PM
yes you are correct on Kirk stating that about flashes but the person who did it was very developmentally handicapped. Walter was very pissed for a few minutes but later came back and apologized to the individual. They were quite traumatized when he yelled. By no means did they have any clue as to what they were doing. Randy showed his intelligence with his statements.
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on October 17, 2006, 09:51:55 PM
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Post by: SirAshley on October 17, 2006, 10:08:12 PM
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To be Politically Correct in this society I feel we should change the term "House Hack" to "One House Wonder". It will make alot of losers feel much better about themselves!!!
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on October 17, 2006, 10:15:52 PM
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Post by: SirAshley on October 17, 2006, 10:21:43 PM
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To be Politically Correct in this society I feel we should change the term "House Hack" to "One House Wonder". It will make alot of losers feel much better about themselves!!!
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on October 18, 2006, 12:25:45 AM
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He may have looked like an ass, but it cost him a title. We all know when the ball just doesn't come off our hand right we leave corner pins.. so I can see his point of being pissed.
I personally just think it was the wrong place.. he should of just flipped out in private.
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Um, so, like, you've NEVER thrown a decent shot and left a corner pin? Come on. I'm not certain if you've seen the shot we're referring to. It was a pretty decent shot that simply failed to carry. Unless you're Robert Mushtare, it's been known to happen, from time to time.
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Post by: Noy on October 18, 2006, 12:54:54 AM
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Post by: strikestriketapped on October 18, 2006, 01:08:52 AM
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Post by: SirAshley on October 18, 2006, 09:51:32 AM
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To be Politically Correct in this society I feel we should change the term "House Hack" to "One House Wonder". It will make alot of losers feel much better about themselves!!!
Post by: Gene J Kanak on October 18, 2006, 09:54:10 AM
Would you care to enlighten us? Like many others have said, the TV feed did not allow us to hear what was actually said or to see what may have been done by the fan in question. What did you see/hear? What did Randy do after the fact? I know that he was back up in the booth broadcasting the next match, so he couldn't have gotten too out of hand in the short time he had between losing the match and the beginning of the next one. Fill us all in on what we missed.
On a side note, I can certainly understand Randy's anger. I mean, that was his shot to keep his Tour career alive. If I felt that someone deliberately screwed with me while I was making the biggest shot of my life, I would be pretty ticked too. However, I do not condone what he did. He wound up looking very foolish. So, again, I understand why he did it, but that didn't make it right.
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Post by: Laybzz74 on October 18, 2006, 10:10:21 AM
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Post by: thfonz98 on October 18, 2006, 10:24:17 AM
I do remember hearing the boom from the PA speakersright before or early in his approach.
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on October 18, 2006, 10:30:47 AM
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Post by: Djarum on October 18, 2006, 04:03:55 PM
I'm in the middle of a movie, and someone starts making noise...I'm going to say something.
I'm in the middle of throwing a winning shot, and someone starts making a noise...I'm going to say something just as well.
I haven't seen the video, but, I don't think there is anything wrong with a professional saying something. I have seen the same thing in pool and golf. Don't go to an event like this if you can't keep quite.
On edit, after watching the video..I would have done the same exact thing. Since the camera was not on the fans, we don't know exactly what happend, but what COULD have happend was that On the previous ball, randy just asked a guy to stay still, and he did so professionally. On the next shot, someone, just for spite, could have moved or made a noise. I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the shot, but I don't think anyone in Randy's shoes would have known that.
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Post by: chitown on October 18, 2006, 04:10:44 PM
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Post by: Rileybowler on October 18, 2006, 04:29:51 PM
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on October 18, 2006, 05:04:07 PM
The Walter incident..when that happened it was pretty shocking to me.
Post by: CHawk15 on October 18, 2006, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: Joe Jr on October 18, 2006, 05:13:47 PM
Randy could have handled himself a little better but his actions were understandable, that was his career on the line.
And for the people saying he's a jerk, do you know that personally or are you just talking out your a@s? Being from Florida also I know for a fact Randy is good guy.
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Post by: Aristotle on October 18, 2006, 06:01:26 PM
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Benoit had a write up on this on Brunswickinsiders when it happened, he said someone yelled something in the stands, and the guy was later kicked out of the arena.
Randy could have handled himself a little better but his actions were understandable, that was his career on the line.
And for the people saying he's a jerk, do you know that personally or are you just talking out your a@s? Being from Florida also I know for a fact Randy is good guy.
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Well.. I can say without a doubt, since I *have* met Randy that he is a complete and total arrogant, pompous jerk. Of course, this was many years ago when he still lived in CA, and wasn't married.. Maybe the married life has changed him some, but because of past events, he will always be a jerk in my book.
Post by: DP3 on October 18, 2006, 09:59:55 PM
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Post by: Djarum on October 19, 2006, 10:43:10 AM
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Post by: qstick777 on October 19, 2006, 11:24:38 AM
There are 6 lanes, and they are bowling on the middle pair, so there is at least 2 lanes between Randy and the audience. Of course it is a stadium setting, so there are people sitting close to the pits. I've never bowled in that environment so I don't know how much movement would really bother me.
I personally don't see the big deal about noise bothering bowlers......for the entire qualifying they are bowling in a noisy environment, why the sudden need for absolute quiet during the TV show? I know the TV atmosphere is different with the lights, cameras, etc, but come on, they are professionals that spend the majority of their time bowling in loud, noisy centers.
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Post by: shelley on October 19, 2006, 11:44:19 AM
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they are professionals that spend the majority of their time bowling in loud, noisy centers.
And if it were a loud, noisy center with lots of movement and commotion it probably wouldn't have made a difference to him. But there's a world of difference between bowling in a place like that and somewhere that's quiet and still except for one guy.
Most people can go to sleep with, say, the TV or radio on. But make it silent save for one irregular beeping sound and see if you can still go to sleep.
SH
Post by: qstick777 on October 19, 2006, 03:11:43 PM
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they are professionals that spend the majority of their time bowling in loud, noisy centers.
And if it were a loud, noisy center with lots of movement and commotion it probably wouldn't have made a difference to him. But there's a world of difference between bowling in a place like that and somewhere that's quiet and still except for one guy.
Most people can go to sleep with, say, the TV or radio on. But make it silent save for one irregular beeping sound and see if you can still go to sleep.
SH
While I don't disagree with your theory, I firmly believe that you have the ability to block out the distractions - if not then you need to work on the mental aspect of your game.
I have had plenty of times that I have allowed myself to get distracted by what somebody else is doing 3 or 4 lanes down, and I've had times where I didn't notice when somebody right next to me has dropped their ball during my approach. It's all about letting yourself get into a "zone."
Most people would assume that a professional would be able to tune those things out, and if not then they deserve to lose and need to work more on the mental game.
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Post by: bowlingmytmouse on October 19, 2006, 10:23:28 PM
Bowlers can adapt to what they are used to. If you watch ESPN classic, I have seen old telecast pre 1995 where the fans were actually SCREAMING all the way through the approach to the release. It never really effected the bowler's why? Because it was constant. Its easier to block something out that is there (noise) than it is to block something that should not be there, in this case noise again. And is modern telecasts there is to be silence, therefore the bowler's focus is not on drowning anything out, so a sound can be shocking. Don't believe me? Go practice @ your local center with one of your buddies and have them call you on your cell right when you get to the line.
As far as how he acted, he did nothing wrong or distasteful. There were no expletives or even name calling, just enforcing the rules that were set in place.
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Post by: qstick777 on October 20, 2006, 10:02:04 AM
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Don't believe me? Go practice @ your local center with one of your buddies and have them call you on your cell right when you get to the line.
I don't carry my cell while I'm bowling
I've had people fall onto the lanes, 1 lane away and haven't noticed. I also tend to practice during open play, next to kids who have no idea about lane courtesy.
When I can actually focus on bowling, I focus only on bowling. Likewise, when I can't focus, I start noticing what people are doing 7 or 8 lanes away......it's mental.
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Post by: Gene J Kanak on October 20, 2006, 10:08:10 AM
Nevertheless, I stand by my original post. I can totally understand Randy's urge to lash out, considering the circumstances, but I still found it to be foolish. It would have made him look a whole lot better if he would just have taken care of the situation after the cameras were off, if he felt that the guy deliberately screwed with him and needed to be ejected. As it played out, nobody at home knew exactly what happened; all they knew was that Randy had something of a meltdown that made him look like an idiot.
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Post by: Goof1073 on October 20, 2006, 10:48:52 AM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on October 25, 2006, 11:29:02 AM
I love his game.
And let's face it...Randy on TV was always good for the game.
A great bowler and star quality type of guy!
I've met Randy and though I can't say if he is a nice guy all the time or not(he was a lot of fun that day...very personable!). Let's put it this way...when Randy is at a bowling alley...he fills it up WITH RAndy!
I'd like to see him bowling again on TV! By the way...it was his career on the line.
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Post by: alcornel on October 26, 2006, 12:58:35 PM
The only "negative" is that he was preoccupied with making sure he got Wienerschnitzel for lunch
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