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The Illustrious One

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Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« on: January 23, 2006, 01:36:07 PM »
Alright, I've got to come clean on this because it has been bugging me for the last few hours.....

The proprietor at a small house I bowl at decided to try new oil tonite. I'm not sure honestly there was oil out there and like a fool I did not bring my urethane with me. The one night I forget and *wham* I really, really need it. So after adjusting speed, loft, spots on the approach, etc. I came up with this really creative idea.

My Green Gargoyle has a weight hole that is about two-three inches to the right of my ring finger hole and another inch to inch and a half down. So I changed my grip drastically. My thumb still went into the thumb hole and I stuck my ring finger into the weight hole leaving the two fingers holes empty with my index finger over the ring finger hole. What happened was astounding.....I kept the ball on the right side of the lane and was able to stay with a down and in shot.

It worked wonderfully and in a situation like tonite I was glad to be able to make some kind of adjustment to get a favorable result. However, is doing what I did this evening to adjust to the lanes legal or not? I can't find anything yet to tell me either way (unless I overlooked it).


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Ol Stranker

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Re: Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2006, 09:46:15 PM »
I would suspect that technically it might not be "legal", but I would keep doing it until I was called on it. I remember one time before I had a spare ball on really hooking lanes I used the weight hole and my thumb in the ball to shoot ten pins. The ball just loped down the lane straight for the corner.   I surprised that you could get any kind of carry out of that delivery.  Congrats, thats being resourceful.
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Re: Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2006, 09:53:52 PM »
there is no rule against it you do not have to put your fingers in any of the  holes
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Re: Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2006, 10:12:44 PM »
Yeah I would not see how the could say that the ball itself is legal, but that if you grip it or use the weight hole that it wouldn't be...
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Re: Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2006, 10:17:13 PM »
Definitely illegal, but i doubt anyone would notice.

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Re: Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2006, 10:17:57 PM »
It's legal to drill 3 finger holes and it's legal to take a finger out of a hole I don't see how this could be any different.  Unless there is a rule stating finger holes can only be so far apart but I can't see that being true.
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Re: Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2006, 10:18:41 PM »
It is getting to a point to where anything is legal as long as you stay behind the foul line and do not change to your opposite hand anytime during competitive play.  I think what you did was very creative on your part.
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Re: Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2006, 10:18:57 PM »
If I remember correctly, you have to have two fingers in the ball. This came up sometime ago, and i dont recall the final resolution. Too be safe I would call your local association for a ruling if your worried about it coming up. That way you could have an answer if anyone called you in it. BTW good thinking if it worked good for you!.
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Re: Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2006, 10:25:00 PM »
agroves,

Why do you say it's illegal? You just throw that out there and give no reason for saying it. I have bowled for 33 years and have been a secretary for over 20 and have never read or heard such a release would be illegal. Don't just throw crap out there and see if it sticks. Give some proof if you have and then all of us will know for sure!
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The Illustrious One

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Re: Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2006, 10:27:45 PM »
quote:

If I remember correctly, you have to have two fingers in the ball.


if that is all it would take then i could stick my finger in the ring finger hole instead of over it. all i have really done is just shifted the ball's position when it comes off of my hand to get it further down the lane before it develops into a roll. i suppose i could also drill one up negative and get the same affect and might do that but it won't be necessary if this is actually legal.
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walker300

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Re: Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2006, 10:32:30 PM »
When i said two fingers, that included your thumb. I was looking at the rule book on this and it says that you can have 5 holes for gripping the ball, but it doesn't say where they have to be. It has size restrictions but that is it.
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The Illustrious One

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Re: Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2006, 10:59:19 PM »
bouwens you bring up a good point but that would then lead me to ask a question that would also need clarification. if you have three holes for gripping purposes....say middle finger, ring finger, and pinky but only use the pinky on certain occasions and also have a balance hole would then both your balange (weight) hole and your pinky hole be considered balance holes?

i've seen this so it begs asking others opinions because i am sure different associations would see this issue differently. would it be any different than if i just contorted the grip to wear my ring finger was in the middle finger hole and ignored the ring finger hole altogether? i've done this, too when the situation has arisen to some success but really never questioned it until i actually decided to use a balance hole.
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agroves

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Re: Creative Release...Is This Legal?
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2006, 11:02:49 PM »
IIRC, you are allowed one extra hole, not counting vent holes.  So, if a no-thumb has a ball drilled with a thumb AND balance hole, he can still use the ball b/c this hand covers the gripping hole.  By taking your fingers out, using your thumb and weight hole, you have two extra holes now, thus making the grip illegal.

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