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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: xrayjay on March 11, 2016, 05:19:24 PM
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preference for the bowler, or there's more to it to why bowlers choose lift or oval?
I had to replace inserts before leagues last night and flipped the inserts over to use the oval sides. I like to use the "lift" side of the finger inserts and have been for years.
But, last night I notice a few things with the ovals, it felt "natural". The fit was tight, the way I like it, but my fingers felt more "attached" to the ball. Does that make sense?
My hand felt better rested on the ball with the fingers more relaxed.
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For me it's a preference. I like Turbo Quads the best and use the oval with mesh. I like the mesh feel on my fingers
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Ovals are generally closer to the shape of the finger where lifts are geared towards the ledge so not surprising
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I cant choose what I liked best so I with power ovals...kinda the best of both worlds...
Check em out, totally worth it
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Using finger inserts allows me more easily to change the sizes when my fingers shrink and swell. I put or remove shims in the back of the insert between it and the hole wall. If I didn't use inserts to do this, I'd need to cut little tiny pieces of white tape and put those in the back of the finger holes. I did that before; it's messy, tedious and time consuming.
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Out of the three brands, Turbo, Vise, Tenth Frame.... Which is the hardest among the three? Or the has the softest?
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I really liked the tenth frame but no one in my area carry them.
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I really liked the tenth frame but no one in my area carry them.
Bowlers paradise have some colors (Tenth Frame) on sale.
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Out of the three brands, Turbo, Vise, Tenth Frame.... Which is the hardest among the three? Or the has the softest?
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3 brands?
Have you forgotten Contour Pro Sports? Shame on you. :)
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Out of the three brands, Turbo, Vise, Tenth Frame.... Which is the hardest among the three? Or the has the softest?
z
3 brands?
Have you forgotten Contour Pro Sports? Shame on you. :)
I know, but who still use CPS?l :D
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I do! Well, their thumb ovals, at least.
drillbit
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I use Contours when I use inserts (my older bowling balls).
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Out of the three brands, Turbo, Vise, Tenth Frame.... Which is the hardest among the three? Or the has the softest?
z
3 brands?
Have you forgotten Contour Pro Sports? Shame on you. :)
I know, but who still use CPS?l :D
I do! 'Nough said. :)
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Out of the three brands, Turbo, Vise, Tenth Frame.... Which is the hardest among the three? Or the has the softest?
z
3 brands?
Have you forgotten Contour Pro Sports? Shame on you. :)
I know, but who still use CPS?l :D
I do! 'Nough said. :)
NICE!! LOL
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While it's hard to gauge these without actual merchandising numbers, I feel that the Contour Pro Sports are more popular than the Tenth Frame, which many places seem to be trying to dump from lack of sale. I don't know how true this is in actuality, but that is my perception.
I find Contour and Vise-Grip the softest ( I like soft); I find Turbo harder than these two. I didn't like Tenth Frame (can't remember why; it's been too long).
I think Vise-Grip has a couple of different hardnesses, as does Contour.
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While it's hard to gauge these without actual merchandising numbers, I feel that the Contour Pro Sports are more popular than the Tenth Frame, which many places seem to be trying to dump from lack of sale. I don't know how true this is in actuality, but that is my perception.
I find Contour and Vise-Grip the softest ( I like soft); I find Turbo harder than these two. I didn't like Tenth Frame (can't remember why; it's been too long).
I think Vise-Grip has a couple of different hardnesses, as does Contour.
Regarding Tenth Frame inserts:
Is it because they are sticky?
I bought some when they were on sale last year but I never used them because they were so sticky, gooey. I don't know if that wears off quickly or not as they are still in the plastic bag I put them in.
Edited to add:
I don't mean tacky. That implies a grip or resistance to one's fingers. I mean sticky as it leaves a sticky residue on the fingers when handling them.
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What's the difference in feel between the power lifts and power ovals?
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While it's hard to gauge these without actual merchandising numbers, I feel that the Contour Pro Sports are more popular than the Tenth Frame, which many places seem to be trying to dump from lack of sale. I don't know how true this is in actuality, but that is my perception.
I find Contour and Vise-Grip the softest ( I like soft); I find Turbo harder than these two. I didn't like Tenth Frame (can't remember why; it's been too long).
I think Vise-Grip has a couple of different hardnesses, as does Contour.
Regarding Tenth Frame inserts:
Is it because they are sticky?
I bought some when they were on sale last year but I never used them because they were so sticky, gooey. I don't know if that wears off quickly or not as they are still in the plastic bag I put them in.
Edited to add:
I don't mean tacky. That implies a grip or resistance to one's fingers. I mean sticky as it leaves a sticky residue on the fingers when handling them.
Sorry, Gary, I really don't remember. Besides with Contour and, as an option, Vise, I have all the choices I need or want.
FYI Sizes are slightly different by brand. In Contour I use 25/32" and 3/4"; In Vise-Grips, I use 49/64" and 47/64"
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I switch to vise last year from turbos, and honestly I really can't tell the difference between the two. Only that the V texture is "firmer" and last longer than the quads I used. I have left over quads so I even mix the two brands.
Also, the turbo sizes gets me confused. I thought it's my ring finger but I use 23 and 3 because the sizes don't seem to be accurate. Vise 23 and 25 is pretty consistent for both finges.
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The primary difference between Turbo & Vice is the shape of the inserts as the ovals are different thus fitting differently
Hardness is rather minimal in factuality but it is a feel thing...
Turbo & Vice are easily the leaders in sales..and mostly territorial....Vice west and Turbo east...
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Rico, are your links dead?
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Back to the original post... There is a pitch difference (1/4" I think), between lifts and ovals. Ovals probably felt better and your hand lays flatter because you just gave yourself ~ 1/4" more forward in your fingers!
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Back to the original post... There is a pitch difference (1/4" I think), between lifts and ovals. Ovals probably felt better and your hand lays flatter because you just gave yourself ~ 1/4" more forward in your fingers!
So inserts with lift will change the pitches of the fingers?
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"So inserts with lift will change the pitches of the fingers?"
A knowledgeable driller will add enough reverse pitch to the pilot holes to offset the forward in the lift grips so you end up with the pitch your fingers need. -- JohnP
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True...but switching from lifts to no lift will impact pitch in a predrilled hole
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It also, no matter the angle of the hole, effects the release speed...one has a ledge and other does not
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So if I had 1/4 reverse and use lift side of the inserts, that would add to the angle/pitched? And using oval would make it a true 1/4" pitch?
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There is still a difference in a drilled hole and an insert...inserts are designed to increase support on the fingers and slow the release speed...lift or otherwise
The material adds to the effect
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"So inserts with lift will change the pitches of the fingers?"
A knowledgeable driller will add enough reverse pitch to the pilot holes to offset the forward in the lift grips so you end up with the pitch your fingers need. -- JohnP
If the driller would do that, why not just use the ovals and the proper pitch to begin with?
Why use an insert with 1/4" forward pitch, then pitch the drilled hole the same 1/4" forward to wind up at 0" pitch where an oval insert would be as it should?
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It has to do with texture...that's almost everyone is missing...the primary factor is the texture vs a drilled hole and they are used to secure the grip better
If someone preferred the feel of the ledge in the lift but their flexibility dictates more away in the grip, then a qualified driller compensates with the angles
Feel as important as anything in gripping a bowling ball and supporting it properly...gripping or squeezing deters a proper release and understanding this improves a bowlers chance of a strong supportive grip that releases properly...due to gravity
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Great answer, Rico. If the customers leave the grip selection up to me I install the oval side of the Turbo Quad. But if they want lifts I don't argue with them.
Another problem with grips in general is the wear. I have customers come in frequently with grips that are almost completely worn through, and their spans have been reduced by over 1/8". And if they use lifts the 3/16 or so forward pitch is also gone. I replace them and tell them not to wait so long the next time, but they ignore me.
By the way, I don't use grips myself. I started well before grips were invented, tried them a couple of times but prefer the feel of the bare hole. -- JohnP
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Back to the original post... There is a pitch difference (1/4" I think), between lifts and ovals. Ovals probably felt better and your hand lays flatter because you just gave yourself ~ 1/4" more forward in your fingers!
Don't you mean by going to ovals he gave himself 1/4" more reverse (or 1/4" less forward) in his fingers? The lifts give about 1/4" more forward pitch.(might be less and depends on the insert size)
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It's understanding angle
Some refer to it as away, reverse or forward depending on starting point