Author Topic: Are the Top Bowlers Just Selfish? (Read 10217 times)

txbowler · « **on:** January 08, 2010, 02:13:12 AM »

Why is it that most of the posts I read "seem" to come across as a bowler who only cares about himself/herself or their class of bowler?

Bowlers want tougher conditions. Don''t care that it could drive away a majority of the non-200 average bowlers.

Bowlers want to do away with HDCP (or reduce it). Don''t care that it would drive away a majority of the non-200 average bowlers.

Why does the 10% of bowlers who average above 200 feel they deserve to rule bowling while the 90% who don''t actually bring in 8 times more money to the centers and USBC that make the rules?

Are we all that arrogant?

Does it really bruise your ego that much when Joe "beer drinking", Non-practicing" Nobody beats you with his HDCP and easy lanes conditions in your weekly league, bracket or tournament?

Are we all a bunch of babies?

Edited on 1/8/2010 11:14 AM

NoseofRI · « **Reply #61 on:** January 11, 2010, 02:23:48 PM »

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I don't think you guys understand the INpractability of having a small league and a sanctioned sport shot. Its not a simple thing. Its a matter of programming the oiling machine and the lane man hitting it when changing from shot to shot. You have to probably have your top mechanic on that day to insure that. If you do then that part is no big deal.

This isn't even close to the truth. With MOST of todays lane machines the shots are easily downloaded to the machine and all it takes is a simple push of the button to change the shot. So if it is a small league, its extremely simple for the house to put the league at the end and run this pattern last. Not difficult at all. As far as having the top mechanic, there, you really only need them there the initial day that the shot is downloaded to verify that things get done right. Other than that "even a caveman" can push the right button to change patterns.

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But you have to get bowlers to pay the $15 extra. OK, so most of you say you are happy to do that.

$15 extra for an entire season plus the summer, is that REALLY an issue?

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The center has to have the equipment to take a tape reading every week. That's about a $600 piece of equipment. Then they have to have the reader to read the tape you just took, that's about a $2200 piece of equipment. You need calibration strips for the reader every 4 months, that's $24/set. You have to have someone that knows how to run all this equipment and access to a computer and printer.

I think you are missing the fact that each association MUST have all this equipment anyways, so this is not an added expense to the house. Every association already has all this equipment because even for THS a check must be done occasionally each league season.

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Now lets says you've done all this......all this time, the league lanes have to be NOT BOWLED ON. That means a loss of revenue to the house in open play, while the sport/pba pattern is put down and OK'd.

Most sport/pba leagues get oiled very shortly prior to the league starting (enough time to do the check prior to start time), and just like any regular league on a THS there is still down time while the lanes are getting oiled. If it is a small league there is even less time in which it takes to oil the lanes. Therefore I see this as an invalid point.

We've had sport/pba leagues in our house for the last three years. They can be done smoothly and simply, and a lot more effective than you make it sound.

r534me · « **Reply #62 on:** January 11, 2010, 03:54:06 PM »

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For all the chicken-little prognostications about the death of bowling, I haven't seen any decreases in participation. And as others have said, if THS is so easy, shouldn't EVERYONE be averaging 220?

Some of you guys think you're Vince Lombardi: "Bowling: it's not life and death it's much more important than that"...

If you think recreation bowlers no, if you look at leagues absolutely there is a lack of participation. Back in the 90's one defunct house with forty lanes was packed M-F with leagues and open play between 6-9PM was non existent. The house closed and the leagues were spread to two different houses. One with 42 and the other 60 lanes. You would think the houses would be bulging with league bowlers. In the short run, that was the case but in the long run many of these bowlers just quit bowling. Maybe, if it was local they would have stayed. The bowling alley or center as they like to call them now was a central place in the community.

r534me · « **Reply #63 on:** January 11, 2010, 04:04:59 PM »

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The THB would rather bowl a 269 and lose, than a 190 and win. The 269 game was above their average, that's all they care about.

The THB wants more handicap because the 200+ bowlers are ruining their league, they don't want the 220 bowlers in their league, and the 230+ are flat out not allowed in it.

The THB would does not want to get better, they do not want to get a new ball and average 10+ pins more. They want to use their 15 year old ball, get more handicap, because with the current system they can COMPETE and beat most people with the handicap. Why improve your own game, when the system benefits you.

The THB wants the lanes easy, the maximum handicap, the ball to hook for them, the better bowlers out of their league and every single advantage they can get from the system.

There used to be a time, remember when you went out to the back yard and practiced on your baseball swing, your football throw etc. You worked at it and when you got good, it was a huge sense of accomplishment.

Bowling is the only sport in the whole world that gives it to you without having to work at it, or even practice to get better.
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Movie star looks, with an arm that cooks!

Generally speaking, the THB way of thinking seems to cross over into many people's personal and professional life. That's unfortunate.

r534me · « **Reply #64 on:** January 11, 2010, 08:55:41 PM »

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THB can't make a spare, and with the current handicap system THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

I can't count how many THBs can't make a 10 pin. No worries because it keeps your average lower when you miss them!!, and the handicap system will even things out when bowling against better bowlers anyway!

Why make spares, and get better when the system allows you the benefits of equality!

There used to be a time when ALL MENS LEAGUES WERE SCRATCH. MEN didn't need handicap. They were MEN, that handicap stuff was for the woman's and mixed leagues.

What happened to being a MAN?
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Movie star looks, with an arm that cooks!

And in the premium scratch leagues you had to be invited to bowl. Lower average bowlers could participate in many of these leagues because there was usually an average cap to prevent teams from being stacked with top players.

Atochabsh · « **Reply #65 on:** January 11, 2010, 09:21:24 PM »

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I think you are missing the fact that each association MUST have all this equipment anyways, so this is not an added expense to the house. Every association already has all this equipment because even for THS a check must be done occasionally each league season.

Yes the association owns the equipment but the center does not. It is an added expense to the house if they cannot get the zero linege equipment and the reader each week from the association. This is especially difficult when we are doing our yearly zero lineage for the association centers, not just one center but 13. The equipment is so expensive that its not something our association is really willing to have "live" someplace out of our control. One center cannot have the equipment all the time when we need it for the other centers as well. Plus you need someone at the Sport/PBA league each week that knows how to work the equipment. The association would be happy to assist centers, but having someone run out to a league each week for this purpose is a lot to ask for volunteers. Now if an association director participated in the league and would bring the equipment to and from the office each week (like checking out a library book) then that would probably be fine.

What would be a good idea is for USBC to RENT the reader and zero lineage pick up equipment. That would make it a lot easier for centers to run a 12 week or 32 week Sport/PBA league without having to buy the equipment. The rental fee would need a big deposit. Price could correspond the length of the league.

Erin

Atochabsh · « **Reply #66 on:** January 11, 2010, 09:24:32 PM »

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I think you are missing the fact that each association MUST have all this equipment anyways, so this is not an added expense to the house.

Not true. We do the tape reading for nearby associations that cannot afford the reader. They have the zero lineage equipmentn but cannot afford the reader, so they send their tapes to us.

Erin

Atochabsh · « **Reply #67 on:** January 11, 2010, 09:30:54 PM »

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Most sport/pba leagues get oiled very shortly prior to the league starting (enough time to do the check prior to start time), and just like any regular league on a THS there is still down time while the lanes are getting oiled. If it is a small league there is even less time in which it takes to oil the lanes. Therefore I see this as an invalid point.

Our center oils through open play. Open play is not stopped until about 5 to 10 min before league play. Some weeks we have about 45 min to 1 hr of open play on our lanes before league.

Erin

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