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Title: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 13, 2020, 09:45:46 AM
...or at least pretending to listen.

Quote
Senator Bates
Fri, Oct 9, 4:53 PM (4 days ago)
 to Senator


Thank you for your message regarding the reopening of California's bowling centers. I appreciate hearing from you as I share your concerns.


 


I co-signed a letter that was delivered to Governor Newsom today requesting that he re-evaluate the status of bowling centers under his "Blueprint for a Safer Economy" in order to aid in the responsible re-opening of an integral part of many local communities. The letter can be read at https://bates.cssrc.us/sites/default/files/201009_BowlingCenters.pdf.


 


Please know that I will continue to do what I can to reopen more of our state in a safe and responsible manner.


 


Sincerely,


 


PATRICIA C. BATES


Senator, 36th District


South Orange and North San Diego Counties


 


Website: www.senate.ca.gov/bates


Facebook: www.facebook.com/senatorpatbates


Twitter: www.twitter.com/senatorpatbates


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Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: 3835 on October 13, 2020, 02:35:48 PM
Hope for you someone has a spec of common sense out there to get businesses open again.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: noslouch on October 13, 2020, 03:36:02 PM
It's just a shame that bowling centers and small businesses are closing for the sake of Democrats holding the public and small businesses as hostages here in California. We've got Walmart stores packed with people per square ft than most bowling centers. At least the majority of bowlers are more considerate to maintain distance and wear masks. You can go to almost any wally world and find 2-3 people out of every 50 who walk in with out a mask.
I want a hair cut too. Out of touch, crazy Nancy Pelosi. Please buy me a $24k freezer so I put $20 pints of ice cream in.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: bergman on October 13, 2020, 05:07:51 PM
 Over 215, 000 deaths and counting. Now Covid-19 cases are spiking again. Until we have some sanity restored in this country, we will continue to
be in the grips of this pandemic. California had some of the highest number of cases per capita in the country. And they are beginning to spike again.

The Democrats are not perfect, but they are pound for pound, a lot saner when it comes in trying to deal with this crisis than what we have been witnessing from the Republicans.   If there is any doubt about this, just tune in to one our president's rallies. Irresponsible behavior doesn't come close to explaining those sideshows. Talk to some of the families who have lost loved ones to this virus. Family members dying lonely deaths. Talk to them. Feel their pain. It's real.  We can get our economy opened again, including our bowling centers, if we only had leadership in Washington that would take this crisis seriously, because what happens there also affects the individual states, including California.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 13, 2020, 06:21:26 PM
Over 215, 000 deaths and counting. Now Covid-19 cases are spiking again. Until we have some sanity restored in this country, we will continue to
be in the grips of this pandemic. California had some of the highest number of cases per capita in the country. And they are beginning to spike again.

The Democrats are not perfect, but they are pound for pound, a lot saner when it comes in trying to deal with this crisis than what we have been witnessing from the Republicans.   If there is any doubt about this, just tune in to one our president's rallies. Irresponsible behavior doesn't come close to explaining those sideshows. Talk to some of the families who have lost loved ones to this virus. Family members dying lonely deaths. Talk to them. Feel their pain. It's real.  We can get our economy opened again, including our bowling centers, if we only had leadership in Washington that would take this crisis seriously, because what happens there also affects the individual states, including California.

Yea, yea, yea. We get it "Orange man bad"

Get over it, we are talking about bowling and bowling centers here.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: MJS73 on October 13, 2020, 06:29:17 PM
According to the CDC, that 210,000 number is really only 12,600:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-94percent-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-94percent-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-94-of-covid-related-deaths-have-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18zmBJ (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-94-of-covid-related-deaths-have-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18zmBJ)

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/coronavirus/?id=72721768 (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/coronavirus/?id=72721768)
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: 3835 on October 13, 2020, 06:44:56 PM
How dare you bring statistics in MJS. Only fact you need to know is Orange Man Bad.

Back to the topic. Open businesses up. It’s a free country. If you want to go bowling or anything else knowing you could catch the virus - it’s on you. If you are afraid- stay at home in your living room with your mask on. Don’t forget to put on your life preserver when you take a bath.

By the way - lost my uncle to COVID in June. He was 60 with multiple underlying conditions. It happens. I’m not sulking and I’m still bowling.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: noslouch on October 13, 2020, 07:03:44 PM
Yes COVID-19 has taken people including some of my family members. So I don't require a lecture. Those whom you need to lecture are on the streets at night being thugs, looting, killing innocents, destroying peoples livelihoods. Let's see, it took approx. 120 days before ex VP Biden to denounce the violent looting after he first said it wouldn't be a protest without violence. Our current leadership was the first to shut down our country before others followed suit. The ex VP Biden called our current Leader a zenophobic maniac along with every news outlet and every leftwing celebrity who can speak into their phone and denounce what he had done. Almost a month went by before the Democratic party start jumping on the band wagon about wearing PPE. Our Current President called out the the WHO organization and wanted answers. They did not respond without China's consent. Did you not know our previous leaders (Democrats) left our PPE supplies down to almost nothing. Half a wharehouse as opposed to six that where filled prior to him sitting on his blm throne. Despite what the fake news outlets have been informing you. Our leaders were scrambling to get PPE supplies ordered. Another note of interest. At the time all this broke out we had no manufacturing to produce PPE. All our PPE came from China. China in all their glory Hoarded all the PPE. Along with the other Asian continental PPE manufacturers.  So by the end of March any orders for PPE to the US would not arrive until after May 2021. It was screw the US we'll take care of ourselves first. Any ship that was inbound to the US with previously ordered PPE after Thanksgiving was ordered back to China ports. What ever we had in US ports was distributed to US hospitals as humanly possible. Could we have acted sooner. Yes. If it weren't for the WHO organization (China's puppets) telling our US leadership that it was contained in Wuhan. Which was false. Anyone who lived in the Wuhan districts with a VISA got the hell out and spread it all over the world. A display of China's greatness in reducing the worlds population without firing a missile. As far as our leadership in Washington goes, It's. Let's be calm and figure this out together. On the Democratic side It's. FIRE, FIRE, BLAME,BLAME,BLAME. Call the DNC so we can all say the same thing word for word on fake news outlets.  An interview with Biden last month had him saying what he would be doing for this pandemic. Which was exactly what Pres. Trump was already doing when this pandemic began to rear it's ugly head. Every leading Democrat called Trump a zenophobe for shutting down travel abroad.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: noslouch on October 13, 2020, 07:08:35 PM
Bowling centers open in all 49 states except. Wait for it.......
CALIFORNIA
PELOSI VILLE
QUEEN OF CALIFORNIA
ALL HAIL CRAZY
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: noslouch on October 13, 2020, 10:50:04 PM
Newsome and crazy Pelosi are related
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 13, 2020, 11:19:15 PM
So almost everyone seems to have missed the point that at least a few elected officials are trying to get us back to bowling?

And yea, Nancy Pelosi and Gavin Newsome ARE related, but only by marriage, so not the same bloodline which makes it pretty much irrelevant.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: AlonzoHarris on October 14, 2020, 12:29:37 PM
So almost everyone seems to have missed the point that at least a few elected officials are trying to get us back to bowling?

And yea, Nancy Pelosi and Gavin Newsome ARE related, but only by marriage, so not the same bloodline which makes it pretty much irrelevant.

I mean..share enough family meals together and radical ideas start to sound reasonable in an echo chamber, blood or not.

Glad to see though someone at least giving bowling centers a thought. I feel they are all too often over looked.

Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: Good Times Good Times on October 14, 2020, 06:20:14 PM
Go to either my Monday or Friday league and you’d have no idea there was a pandemic.....sad but true.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: itsallaboutme on October 15, 2020, 07:09:18 AM
So between these topics and the Tommy Pham story we've learned that California bowling centers are still closed but strip clubs are open. 
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: 3835 on October 15, 2020, 08:38:26 AM
TNA before balls.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 15, 2020, 09:42:03 AM
So between these topics and the Tommy Pham story we've learned that California bowling centers are still closed but strip clubs are open. 

The pot stores are still open as well as are the liquor stores. Because, you know, health reasons.


 Here in California, we have our priorities...
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: rocky61201 on October 15, 2020, 10:12:47 AM
Over 215, 000 deaths and counting. Now Covid-19 cases are spiking again. Until we have some sanity restored in this country, we will continue to
be in the grips of this pandemic. California had some of the highest number of cases per capita in the country. And they are beginning to spike again.

The Democrats are not perfect, but they are pound for pound, a lot saner when it comes in trying to deal with this crisis than what we have been witnessing from the Republicans.   If there is any doubt about this, just tune in to one our president's rallies. Irresponsible behavior doesn't come close to explaining those sideshows. Talk to some of the families who have lost loved ones to this virus. Family members dying lonely deaths. Talk to them. Feel their pain. It's real.  We can get our economy opened again, including our bowling centers, if we only had leadership in Washington that would take this crisis seriously, because what happens there also affects the individual states, including California.

Riddle me this.  For CA bowling centers to completely open you have to have less than 1 case per 100,000 residents.  One one hundred thousands of a percent!!!! That is like cutting a penny into 100,000 pieces.  San Diego County has 3.3M residents so that equals 33 cases per day.  Testing is not 100% accurate, no test is.  But for sake of argument I will stipulate that COVID testing is 99% accurate.  San Diego has a goal of 5,600 tests per day.  1% of 5,600 is 56.  56 is greater than 33.  Under the current CA COVID rules bowling centers will NEVER reopen. 

Democrats are not perfect and they are freaking far from it when it comes to basic math and statistics.   This isn't about me wanting to bowl.  It is about thousands of employees being out of work and not being able to support their families. You should talk to them and feel their pain.  Trump rallies are a sideshow???  YOU are a sideshow.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: rocky61201 on October 15, 2020, 10:29:36 AM
Hey Bergman - I fixed your post.

Over 215, 000 deaths and counting. Now Covid-19 cases are spiking again. Until Bergman has his sanity restored Bergman will continue to be in the grips of this pandemic.

Bergman's Democrats are not perfect, but they are pound for pound, absolutely batsh*t crazy and the only thing they are good at is not letting a crises go to waste. 
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: bradl on October 15, 2020, 12:25:17 PM
TNA before balls.

I have to admit: I laughed at this!

BL.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: bowling_rebel on October 15, 2020, 08:28:11 PM
Some people need to research what a DNA PCR test is, and how unreliable the data we are given may the media is.

So many people in alternative media have been dissecting this for months. I think the best go to place is thehighwire

If someone wants to feed off of main stream media and corrupt politicians fear porn, and then regurgitate statistics, there is really nothing to say to them.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 15, 2020, 09:03:22 PM
"Lighten up Francis"


 :o
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: Jesse James on October 16, 2020, 09:15:28 AM
Hmmmmm.

Wildfires raging yearly!

A pandemic that an arrogant, narcissistic, bigot can't handle, and is now decimating the economy!

Idiot Democrat politicians that can't handle the imposed upon crisis!

Too many people, in general..........

Sounds like it's time to MOVE!
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 16, 2020, 10:54:43 AM
Hmmmmm.

Wildfires raging yearly!

A pandemic that an arrogant, narcissistic, bigot can't handle, and is now decimating the economy!

Idiot Democrat politicians that can't handle the imposed upon crisis!

Too many people, in general..........

Sounds like it's time to MOVE!

As soon as I retire, I'm outta here. And I'm taking my tax dollars with me.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: rocky61201 on October 16, 2020, 11:08:13 AM
Hmmmmm.

Wildfires raging yearly!

A pandemic that an arrogant, narcissistic, bigot can't handle, and is now decimating the economy!

Idiot Democrat politicians that can't handle the imposed upon crisis!

Too many people, in general..........

Sounds like it's time to MOVE!

As soon as I retire, I'm outta here. And I'm taking my tax dollars with me.
Why wait?  I just made a career change at 50.  Secured a new job just yesterday that gives me the flexibility I need to get out of CA.  Starting today I'm developing my exit plan and give myself 1 year to get out of CA and set up shop in a new state.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 16, 2020, 11:37:13 AM
Hmmmmm.

Wildfires raging yearly!

A pandemic that an arrogant, narcissistic, bigot can't handle, and is now decimating the economy!

Idiot Democrat politicians that can't handle the imposed upon crisis!

Too many people, in general..........

Sounds like it's time to MOVE!

As soon as I retire, I'm outta here. And I'm taking my tax dollars with me.
Why wait?  I just made a career change at 50.  Secured a new job just yesterday that gives me the flexibility I need to get out of CA.  Starting today I'm developing my exit plan and give myself 1 year to get out of CA and set up shop in a new state.

Because I'm 58 and love the company where I work. We are a CA only company and some of my job I could do remotely, but I prefer to be in the office. I have no interest in changing careers at this point and honestly, nothing else(even professional bowler) will pay what I make currently.

For my line of work, few places can match the salary available in CA. At least places I would want to live.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: rocky61201 on October 16, 2020, 12:39:23 PM
Hmmmmm.

Wildfires raging yearly!

A pandemic that an arrogant, narcissistic, bigot can't handle, and is now decimating the economy!

Idiot Democrat politicians that can't handle the imposed upon crisis!

Too many people, in general..........

Sounds like it's time to MOVE!

As soon as I retire, I'm outta here. And I'm taking my tax dollars with me.
Why wait?  I just made a career change at 50.  Secured a new job just yesterday that gives me the flexibility I need to get out of CA.  Starting today I'm developing my exit plan and give myself 1 year to get out of CA and set up shop in a new state.

Because I'm 58 and love the company where I work. We are a CA only company and some of my job I could do remotely, but I prefer to be in the office. I have no interest in changing careers at this point and honestly, nothing else(even professional bowler) will pay what I make currently.

For my line of work, few places can match the salary available in CA. At least places I would want to live.

No worries brother! I wish you the best of luck and hope to see you on the lanes sometime in the future.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: bradl on October 16, 2020, 12:56:54 PM
"Lighten up Francis"


 :o

Not for nothing here, but thank you for reminding me, with the name Francis. For the first time ever, I finally watched the final episode of MASH yesterday.

Go ahead, laugh. I was 9 years old when that episode aired! Besides, I didn't care then, we had the A Team and Knight Rider on, that was blowing stuff up, so who cared about MASH!? (Actually, they were getting blown up, so it could go either way.)

I didn't get it back then, but I get it now. Really good stuff.

Anywho, back to the argument. I'm just here for the sideshow and comic relief.

BL.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 16, 2020, 02:14:52 PM
"Lighten up Francis"


 :o

Not for nothing here, but thank you for reminding me, with the name Francis. For the first time ever, I finally watched the final episode of MASH yesterday.

Go ahead, laugh. I was 9 years old when that episode aired! Besides, I didn't care then, we had the A Team and Knight Rider on, that was blowing stuff up, so who cared about MASH!? (Actually, they were getting blown up, so it could go either way.)

I didn't get it back then, but I get it now. Really good stuff.

Anywho, back to the argument. I'm just here for the sideshow and comic relief.

BL.


My reference was from a quote in the movie "Stripes"(Bill Murry, Harold Ramis, John Candy etc), but it probably applies to MASH as well.

Knowing the reference from either one dates us.  ;D
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: bradl on October 16, 2020, 02:29:58 PM
"Lighten up Francis"


 :o

Not for nothing here, but thank you for reminding me, with the name Francis. For the first time ever, I finally watched the final episode of MASH yesterday.

Go ahead, laugh. I was 9 years old when that episode aired! Besides, I didn't care then, we had the A Team and Knight Rider on, that was blowing stuff up, so who cared about MASH!? (Actually, they were getting blown up, so it could go either way.)

I didn't get it back then, but I get it now. Really good stuff.

Anywho, back to the argument. I'm just here for the sideshow and comic relief.

BL.


My reference was from a quote in the movie "Stripes"(Bill Murry, Harold Ramis, John Candy etc), but it probably applies to MASH as well.

Knowing the reference from either one dates us.  ;D

It does. I want to say that Colonel Potter accidentally yelled "Lighten up, Francis!" to Father Mulcahey.

Funny thing is, I never watched an episode of MASH in my life, but saw it show up in my feed, so I thought "what the hell!" and watched it.

Meanwhile, back to my GI Joe livestream on youtube, and trying to figure out if I can get away with a protractor and ruler or just spend the money to get an armadillo and pro-sect, as I've finally figured out how dual angle layouts work.

BL.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: bradl on October 17, 2020, 01:19:40 AM

For those not in the know:

https://www.covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard

For bowling alleys to open, counties in California have to reach the Moderate (Orange) or Minimal (Yellow) status. Very few urban counties have that status right now. Of those counties that do:

Santa Clara (San Jose, Santa Clara, Cupertino, Milpitas)
Fremont (Fremont, Oakland, Livermore, Dublin)
El Dorado (El Dorado Hills, Pollock Pines, S. Lake Tahoe)
Placer (parts of Roseville, Rocklin, Auburn)

Bowling alleys can open. So for the ones I know of, we have:
Strikes Rocklin
Bowlmor/AMF Rocklin Lanes
Foothills Lanes (Auburn)
4th Street Bowl (San Jose)
Clover... oh, wait..  :'(
Dublin Bowl
Knotty Pine Lanes (Pollock Pines)

So we have some options, but we'd have to drive to them. Right now, Strikes and AMF Rocklin are the closest to me, so we'll see what happens.

BL.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 17, 2020, 01:38:22 AM
There is no "Fremont" county in California.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: bradl on October 18, 2020, 02:05:32 AM
There is no "Fremont" county in California.

Sorry, you're right. I meant to say Alameda. My bad.

Anywho, talked to a PSO today who runs a standalone shop in Sacramento, and got a bit more of the lowdown of what's going to happen here.

Some alleys are getting around the shutdown by adding a room with refrigeration so they can sell essentials and prepared meals according to the state's mandate, so their business can be classified as "essential" (they are selling the right products to meet that classification), so they can open up.

Apparently, Lake Bowl in Folsom has been doing this since March or April, so they have been open ever since.

Foothills Bowl in Auburn isn't going to open, despite the fact that the county is in orange so they could open up. Apparently, the average age of the patrons there is between 60 and 65, and the owner really doesn't want to risk that being shut down again. His take on it is that if everything else gets shut down again, at least we'll have a sterile place to go.

Fireside Lanes is done with their remodeling, though there are a couple more cosmetic things they are working on. New lanes, new settee area, new pin deck, new pinsetters, etc. They are going to try to open, despite us being in Red, but open to only "private parties". Steve basically doesn't have much of a choice, because of him bleeding money from everything. I don't know if him opening and possibly getting shut down again will impact what the PWBA wants to do, but he'll cross that road when he gets to it.

Mardi Gras Lanes (or whatever they are called now) won't be opening anytime soon. They'll have to wait for state mandate, as they have some other financial issues to deal with.

Country Club Lanes is just waiting for the county to turn orange. As they own the land and the building around them, they know they'll make up the money just in parties and open play.

Strikes Elk Grove (now called "The Alley") won't be opening anytime soon. They're stuck waiting on the state and the county.

NuGeneration Lanes in Yuba City is open, despite being Sutter County being in Red. I don't know how or why; don't shoot the messenger.

Beale Lanes (Beale AFB) is open, but they are letting the county take the lead on their status, despite being the AFB. Yuba County (where Beale and Marysville are located) are in the Red.

Going south, everything in San Joaquin county (read: Stockton) is still out.

Further south than that, Valley bowl in Madera is open - to a degree - even though Madera county is in Purple (widespread). They are letting kids come in - controlled - as the school district is allowing bowling to be used for Physical Education class. So they have a way to open there, but I don't know how they are getting paid for it. The same is happening in Turlock as well.

That's all I know for the entire Central California valley.

BL.

Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: MJS73 on October 19, 2020, 06:04:13 AM
California Gov. Newsom just banned singing. You watch, he'll get re-elected.  You get the government you deserve.

And you fans of Fauci should read his paper on the 1918 flu epidemic in which he states that most of those deaths were cause by secondary bacteria caused by the wearing of masks.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: MJS73 on October 23, 2020, 05:54:52 AM
Some people need to research what a DNA PCR test is, and how unreliable the data we are given may the media is.

So many people in alternative media have been dissecting this for months. I think the best go to place is thehighwire

If someone wants to feed off of main stream media and corrupt politicians fear porn, and then regurgitate statistics, there is really nothing to say to them.

So happy to hear this, I've been railing against the PCR test for months now. But don't listen to me, listen to Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR test:

"If they can find this virus in you at all – and with PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody.”

"To test for that one thing and say it has a special meaning is, I think, the problem. The measurement for it is not exact; it is not as good as the measurement for apples. The tests are based on things that are invisible and the results are inferred in a sense. It allows you to take a miniscule amount of anything and make it measureable and then talk about it.”

"PCR is just a process that allows you to make a whole lot of something out of something. It doesn’t tell you that you are sick, or that the thing that you ended up with was going to hurt you or anything like that.”
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 23, 2020, 03:08:15 PM

From EA Dublin Bowl, Dublin California

Quote
FINALLY - GREAT NEWS!!!
We'll be opening soon!
Hello Everyone:

YEA, YEA YEA, YES, YES, YES,we’ll be opening soon!

As you may have seen or heard, Alameda County has given the OK for bowling centers to open at 25% capacity.

We are looking to re-open for business during the first week of November. However, this could change based on a number of factors. One thing, we want to make sure that Alameda County remains in the Orange Tier for at least one more week. The last thing we want to do is to open up for a few days only to have to shut back down again.

At first we’ll be offering open bowling only. During this time, we’ll be putting together leagues and figuring out how to operate them with capacity limits. Soon, you’ll be getting calls/emails from either the bowl and/or your league secretary asking if you will be joining us this season. The middle of November is our current estimate of when most leagues will start.

We will be keeping you informed through these newsletters of the specifics of our re-opening and all matters concerning your leagues.

For those of you who wrote letters and emails to our local officials, we THANK YOU very much. We think this played a part in getting bowling centers in Alameda County to open.

Finally we’ll get to see you soon,

Peter


Amazing how the California politicians have decided on when to start allowing bowling alleys to open.


So, after the election? Na, just a coincidence probably.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: Bowler19525 on October 23, 2020, 03:51:29 PM
Sounds like they can open today if they wanted to, but they are erring on the side of caution and waiting a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: bradl on October 23, 2020, 05:22:02 PM
Sounds like they can open today if they wanted to, but they are erring on the side of caution and waiting a couple of weeks.

that's what they are doing in the Sacramento valley. Right now, the only alleys open are for open bowling only, and nothing else. They are deciding about what to do with leagues, then are leaving it up to the board for each league. Rationale for this is exactly the same: They need to know what contingencies are going to be in case they get shut down again, which could happen as early as the next 3 weeks to the end of the year, depending on how people handle the situation.. It wouldn't do any league any good to only be running for five weeks.

So Open bowling it is for now.

BL.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: hammerj on October 23, 2020, 10:19:08 PM
We start league bowling next week in Sacramento. I have not bowled in 7 months its going to be fun.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 26, 2020, 11:09:58 AM
Castro Village bowl, Castro Valley California will open on 11/1(from a good friend of mine who is the Head Mechanic at Castro Village)

Granda Bowl in Livermore California sent out an email stating they are open as of Friday Oct 23rd.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 26, 2020, 11:10:59 AM
My timeline was obviously wrong. They didn't wait until after the election to allow businesses to reopen.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: Steven on October 26, 2020, 12:00:09 PM
My timeline was obviously wrong. They didn't wait until after the election to allow businesses to reopen.


I haven't heard anything specific on the SoCal centers. LA County is the California problem child, and the surrounding Counties stay in line. I hope you get to throw the orb soon.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 26, 2020, 12:10:49 PM
My timeline was obviously wrong. They didn't wait until after the election to allow businesses to reopen.


I haven't heard anything specific on the SoCal centers. LA County is the California problem child, and the surrounding Counties stay in line. I hope you get to throw the orb soon.

I'm working on finishing my degree at Berkeley for this year and probably next, so it might be a while before I'm bowling regularly again.

I will still take my group to Vegas for the USBC Open Championships, but I don't have time for leagues with work(job), my course work and research/writing my dissertation.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: bradl on October 26, 2020, 01:22:55 PM
My timeline was obviously wrong. They didn't wait until after the election to allow businesses to reopen.


I haven't heard anything specific on the SoCal centers. LA County is the California problem child, and the surrounding Counties stay in line. I hope you get to throw the orb soon.

You're right. They're in the purple, along with Riverside, San Bernardino, Ventura, and Imperial Counties. Your best bet is going to be in Orange or San Diego Counties, make your way up the coast, or into Bakersfield, but even those will require help from the alleys there to get around some of the restrictions. Either way, you're looking at at least a 45 minute drive just to bowl (I'm picking that time out of my head based on drive time from, say, the Garment District or the Grove down to Disneyland).

So it really all depends on if they want to do what they are doing up here in NorCal.

BL.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: SVstar34 on October 26, 2020, 01:33:46 PM
My timeline was obviously wrong. They didn't wait until after the election to allow businesses to reopen.


I haven't heard anything specific on the SoCal centers. LA County is the California problem child, and the surrounding Counties stay in line. I hope you get to throw the orb soon.

You're right. They're in the purple, along with Riverside, San Bernardino, Ventura, and Imperial Counties. Your best bet is going to be in Orange or San Diego Counties, make your way up the coast, or into Bakersfield, but even those will require help from the alleys there to get around some of the restrictions. Either way, you're looking at at least a 45 minute drive just to bowl (I'm picking that time out of my head based on drive time from, say, the Garment District or the Grove down to Disneyland).

So it really all depends on if they want to do what they are doing up here in NorCal.

BL.


Ventura county is in red and close to moving to orange where bowling could open. Looking at the statistics, Ventura county is going to remain in the red tier because of the case rate. It looks like the best chance to move to orange for bowling will be the additional health equity metric. It needs to be under 2.2% and was actually at 2.7% this past week. The positivity rate has been meeting the orange tier for weeks already
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: Steven on October 26, 2020, 01:48:16 PM
I'm working on finishing my degree at Berkeley for this year and probably next, so it might be a while before I'm bowling regularly again.

I will still take my group to Vegas for the USBC Open Championships, but I don't have time for leagues with work(job), my course work and research/writing my dissertation.


With all your life adventures, I'm almost afraid to ask what graduate degree you're pursuing.  ;)


I'm glad to hear you're still doing Nationals coordination. But given the most recent US outbreaks, I'm not sure Vegas is going to happen in 2021. At least not in the first half of the year. I have several friends who live in Vegas. Between their Covid stories and what I'm reading about the area, I'm not stepping foot there. That's just me and it might be an overreaction, but until there is a proven vaccine, no thanks.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 26, 2020, 03:30:02 PM
I'm working on finishing my degree at Berkeley for this year and probably next, so it might be a while before I'm bowling regularly again.

I will still take my group to Vegas for the USBC Open Championships, but I don't have time for leagues with work(job), my course work and research/writing my dissertation.


With all your life adventures, I'm almost afraid to ask what graduate degree you're pursuing.  ;)


I'm glad to hear you're still doing Nationals coordination. But given the most recent US outbreaks, I'm not sure Vegas is going to happen in 2021. At least not in the first half of the year. I have several friends who live in Vegas. Between their Covid stories and what I'm reading about the area, I'm not stepping foot there. That's just me and it might be an overreaction, but until there is a proven vaccine, no thanks.

Yea, the thought that it may not happen crossed my mind as well. Our dates are not until late June, so we will see.

I already had my MS(Computer Science) and my company offered to pay the cost if I wanted to take the last step, so I applied and got accepted.

There are a lot of days when I regret it. LOL
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: bradl on October 26, 2020, 06:20:09 PM
I'm working on finishing my degree at Berkeley for this year and probably next, so it might be a while before I'm bowling regularly again.

I will still take my group to Vegas for the USBC Open Championships, but I don't have time for leagues with work(job), my course work and research/writing my dissertation.


With all your life adventures, I'm almost afraid to ask what graduate degree you're pursuing.  ;)


I'm glad to hear you're still doing Nationals coordination. But given the most recent US outbreaks, I'm not sure Vegas is going to happen in 2021. At least not in the first half of the year. I have several friends who live in Vegas. Between their Covid stories and what I'm reading about the area, I'm not stepping foot there. That's just me and it might be an overreaction, but until there is a proven vaccine, no thanks.

Yea, the thought that it may not happen crossed my mind as well. Our dates are not until late June, so we will see.

I already had my MS(Computer Science) and my company offered to pay the cost if I wanted to take the last step, so I applied and got accepted.

There are a lot of days when I regret it. LOL

You and I both! Same profession, only BS instead of MS. While the pay is good, there have been times that I wish I hadn't gone into IT.

BL.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: Steven on October 27, 2020, 09:07:59 AM
I already had my MS(Computer Science) and my company offered to pay the cost if I wanted to take the last step, so I applied and got accepted.

There are a lot of days when I regret it. LOL

 
That's impressive to commit to a doctorate. Berkeley doesn't give those things away, so I know you're earning it. You'll reach the finish line.


After 35 years in IT, I threw in the towel and graduated to retirement. I'm pursuing post graduate studies in different ways to be lazy, and I'm getting high makes from those around me.  :)   It's a hard path, but someone has to do it......
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: milorafferty on October 27, 2020, 09:57:51 AM
I already had my MS(Computer Science) and my company offered to pay the cost if I wanted to take the last step, so I applied and got accepted.

There are a lot of days when I regret it. LOL

 
That's impressive to commit to a doctorate. Berkeley doesn't give those things away, so I know you're earning it. You'll reach the finish line.


After 35 years in IT, I threw in the towel and graduated to retirement. I'm pursuing post graduate studies in different ways to be lazy, and I'm getting high makes from those around me.  :)   It's a hard path, but someone has to do it......

I figure I good for another 12 years or so before I retire. I could retire now, but I enjoy my job and the people I work with. Of course, tomorrow might have a different look.

Of course, if California keeps going down it's current path, I might be back in Alabama way before the 12 years have passed.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: Steven on October 27, 2020, 11:04:46 AM
I figure I good for another 12 years or so before I retire. I could retire now, but I enjoy my job and the people I work with. Of course, tomorrow might have a different look.

Of course, if California keeps going down it's current path, I might be back in Alabama way before the 12 years have passed.


You have the best of both worlds if you enjoy your work and also have the opportunity to expand through education.


Kidding aside, retirement is great. I have a lot of post-work goals mapped out, and many have been given the "check" mark. But there is a saying I heard somewhere (maybe a cheesy movie  :) ) that basically said life is what happens as you're busy making plans. I've found a lot of truth in that. I had planned to make a big push in Senior PBA tournament bowling, but Covid in California has put a big wrench in things. I haven't hardly touched a ball in 7 months and a lot of the drive I used to have is gone. Maybe when I can finally shoe up again, the fire will return.


Let's hope California returns to action before our industry is screwed. At least there are some signs of life in NorCal.
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: MJS73 on October 31, 2020, 07:14:35 AM
According to the CDC, that 210,000 number is really only 12,600:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-94percent-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-94percent-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-94-of-covid-related-deaths-have-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18zmBJ (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-94-of-covid-related-deaths-have-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18zmBJ)

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/coronavirus/?id=72721768 (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/coronavirus/?id=72721768)

Following up on this, according to the CDC, of the 233,187 deaths attributed to "Covid", the actual causes of death are as follows:

87,000 patients died from bacterial pneumonia and influenza
17,000 died from chronic respiratory diseases
26,000 died from adult respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) caused by bacteria (i.e. bacteria introduced from wearing a mask)
44,000 patients died from hypertension not related to Covid
51,000 patients died from heart attacks

Some of these deaths had multiple causes so there was some overlap

Oh, and here are Gov. Newsom's rules for Thanksgiving gatherings:

Attendance

Gatherings that include more than three households are prohibited. This includes everyone present, including hosts and guests. Remember, the smaller the number of people, the safer.
Keep the households that you interact with stable over time. By spending time with the same people, risk of transmission is reduced. Participating in multiple gatherings with different households or groups is strongly discouraged.
The host should collect names of all attendees and contact information in case contact tracing is needed later.
2. Gather outdoors

Gatherings that occur outdoors are significantly safer than indoor gatherings. All gatherings must be held outside. Attendees may go inside to use restrooms as long as the restrooms are frequently sanitized.
Gatherings may occur in outdoor spaces that are covered by umbrellas, canopies, awnings, roofs, and other shade structures provided that at least three sides of the space (or 75%) are open to the outdoors.
A gathering of no more than three households is permitted in a public park or other outdoor space, even if unrelated gatherings of other groups up to three households are also occurring in the same park or other outdoor space. If multiple such gatherings are occurring, mixing between group gatherings is not allowed. Additionally, multiple gatherings of three households cannot be jointly organized or coordinated to occur in the same public park or other outdoor space at the same time — this would constitute a gathering exceeding the permitted size.
3. Don’t attend gatherings if you feel sick or are in a high-risk group

Anyone with any COVID-19-like symptoms (fever, cough, shortness of breath, chills, night sweats, sore throat, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, tiredness, muscle or body aches, headaches, confusion, or loss of sense of taste/smell), must stay home and not come into contact with anyone outside their household.
Anyone who develops COVID-19 within 48 hours after attending a gathering should notify the other attendees as soon as possible regarding the potential exposure.
People at higher risk of severe illness or death from COVID-19 (such as older adults and people with chronic medical conditions) are strongly urged not to attend any gatherings.
4. Practice physical distancing and hand hygiene at gatherings

For any gatherings permitted under this guidance, the space must be large enough so that everyone at a gathering can maintain at least a six-foot physical distance from others (not including their own household) at all times.
Seating must provide at least six feet of distance (in all directions — front-to-back and side-to-side) between different households.
Everyone at a gathering should frequently wash their hands with soap and water, or use hand sanitizer if soap and water are not available. A place to wash hands or hand sanitizer must be available for participants to use.
Shared items should not be used during a gathering. As much as possible, any food or beverages at outdoor gatherings must be in single-serve disposable containers. If providing single-serve containers is not possible, food and beverages must be served by a person who washes or sanitizes their hands frequently, and wears a face covering. Self-serve items from communal containers should not be used.
5. Wear a face covering to keep the coronavirus from spreading

When gathering, face coverings must be worn in accordance with the California Department of Public Health guidance, unless an exemption is applicable.
People at gatherings may remove their face coverings briefly to eat or drink as long as they stay at least six feet away from everyone outside their own household, and put their face covering back on as soon as they are done with the activity.
Face coverings can also be removed to meet urgent medical needs (for example, to use an asthma inhaler, take medication, or if feeling light-headed).
6. Keep it short

Gatherings should be two hours or less. The longer the duration, the risk of transmission increases.
7. Rules for singing, chanting and shouting at outdoor gatherings

Singing, chanting, shouting and physical exertion significantly increase the risk of COVID-19 transmission because these activities increase the release of respiratory droplets and fine aerosols into the air. Because of this, singing, chanting and shouting are strongly discouraged, but if they occur, the following rules and recommendations apply:
Instrumental music is allowed as long as the musicians maintain at least six-foot physical distancing. Musicians must be from one of the three households. Playing of wind instruments (any instrument played by the mouth, such as a trumpet or clarinet) is strongly discouraged.
All people who are singing or chanting should wear a face covering at all times while singing or chanting, including anyone who is leading a song or chant. Because these activities pose a very high risk of COVID-19 transmission, face coverings are essential to reduce the spread of respiratory droplets and fine aerosols;
People who are singing, shouting, chanting, or exercising are strongly encouraged to maintain physical distancing beyond six feet to further reduce risk.
People who are singing or chanting are strongly encouraged to do so quietly (at or below the volume of a normal speaking voice).
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: bergman on October 31, 2020, 04:08:50 PM
First of all the CDC clarified the confusion caused by their original statement. There is overwhelming evidence that most of the 225,000+ deaths from covid-19 occurred with individuals who were either elderly and/or had compromised immune systems to begin with. Covid-19 put additional stress on their immune systems, resulting in their deaths. That's not surprising. Most illnesses, such as cancer and diabetes, by themselves,
are often not the sole cause of death. Instead, most people with such diseases succumb from secondary causes (like pneumonia, cardiac arrest, etc.) caused by the additional stress these diseases place on the vital organs of our bodies. This is certainly no surprise. Covid-19 is no different.
 
In addition, there is absolutely not a shred of proof that wearing a face mask causes the wearer to contract a bacterial (or any other infection). In fact, the evidence shows precisely the opposite--- wearing a face mask saves lives.
Conspiracy groups like Q-Anon jumped on the CDC's initial post and ran with it. They never pass up an opportunity to deny science, proof, or facts in order to promote their bizarre claims. If we have any chance whatsoever of emerging from this pandemic, it will only come when otherwise smart and reasonable folks reject such unsubstantiated claims and conspiracy theories. We will never return to any semblance of normalcy until we do. Our lives and our economy depend on us doing precisely that.

As long as folks continue to refuse to wear a mask, refuse social distancing, the longer it's going to be before we emerge from this crisis. That's a guarantee. How many more lives are we willing to go by the wayside? How many more of our citizens have to die alone in hospitals around the country from a virus that has a mortality rate 20 times higher than influenza ( a well established fact, by the way)?  How many more businesses will shutter, including our local bowling centers?  How many more jobs will be lost? 

Until and if, a vaccine arrives on the scene, wear a mask. Practice social distancing. The sooner we all do, the sooner we can get our economy back on track and the more lives that will be saved.     
Title: Re: At least somebody is listening, not that it will matter
Post by: MJS73 on October 31, 2020, 05:10:36 PM
The CDC did not try to clarify their statements, they actually doubled down on them.  Examples given were a person that had tested positive (which is not the same thing as having Covid) died of a heart attack it was ruled a Covid death. It was even stated that if someone died in a car accident and tested positive during the autopsy it was ruled a Covid death.

You need to go back to Fauci's 2008 whitepaper on the 1918 epidemic where he specifically states that a percentage of those deaths were from secondary bacteria from wearing masks.

If you're waiting for a Covid vaccine to go bowling you will likely never bowl again. Covid is a coronavirus, as is influenza and the common cold and where are those vaccines?