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mrepps-24

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can you put a ball in the oven . . . .
« on: February 09, 2004, 05:54:30 AM »
my friend told me you can put a ball in the oven to get the oils out. he said you put it on 200 and leave it in there for like 10 min then take the ball out and wipe it off. he said it will roll better. is this true and if so how do you put it in the oven and how long to leave it in there. he said you leave a pan at the bottom for the oil

 

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Re: can you put a ball in the oven . . . .
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2004, 08:58:40 PM »
I've never heard of in the over before. but u can get a bucket of water as hot as it goes from the tap and put your ball in there for 15 or 20min and it will bring the oil to the surface and then you can just wipe it off the surface.

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Re: can you put a ball in the oven . . . .
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2004, 09:05:33 PM »
NO. YOU CAN'T. IT REMOVES PLASTICIZERS.  ARGHGHGHGHGHGHGH!!!!  STOP THIS MADNESS.  

I TAKE IT BACK.  ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO ASK THIS QUESTION  IN THE FUTURE, HERE IS THE ANSWER.  JUST THROW THE SUCKER IN THERE AROUND 250 DEGREES. BAKE WELL, WITH SALT.  REMOVE FROM OVEN AND USE A HOCKEY PUCK.
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mrepps-24

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Re: can you put a ball in the oven . . . .
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2004, 09:11:20 PM »
so how can you remove the oil from the ball safely

Sir Bowl-A-Lot

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Re: can you put a ball in the oven . . . .
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2004, 09:22:42 PM »
Was it Brunswick that said the oven bake trick is worthy?  I can't remember.  I know one of the top ball companies actually said that oven baking isn't a bad idea (I know it wasn't Ebonite though).  But I think that they said to set the temp. to only 120 degrees (if your oven goes that low).  Any Big B'ers know anything about this?
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Re: can you put a ball in the oven . . . .
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2004, 09:24:02 PM »
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so how can you remove the oil from the ball safely


For some equipment, you really can't and there is very little you can do.  The best bet is constant maintenance (clean after each set, wipe the ball after each shot).  Deep clean with something like Hook It, ReNew It or Clean N Dull every 10-20 games.  When you still notice a substantial dropoff of reaction, here is what I try: (1) Cover the finger and thumb holes with duct tape.  Soak the ball in Dawn and warm tap water for about 15 minutes a side, wiping the ball off each time and rinsing to get rid of residue.  With some balls, this is enough.  If it isn't, scotchbrite the ball so it is dull and try the same thing, concluding with a cleaning with a cleaner that doesn't leave residue and then polish slowly up to the shine you want.  This may also help.  If it doesn't...(2) Try a trip through the Haus machine (a resurface) and use of Ebonite's Hook again.  The combination of the two also works sometimes when other methods do not.  Frankly, heating over low heat works temporarily, and sometimes.  It also, in my experience, reduces the effective life of the ball and often doesn't work very well.  I have had more than one ball killed using heat -- and to all you naysayers, it was LOW heat.  

Now, no matter what you do, TEC coverstocks and some Storm and Columbia/Track coverstocks being the prime examples, there is no way to effectively revive them.

Me, I'm just either buying equipment I find more durable or long lasting (Dynothane's soakers, Brunswick's N'Control and particle covers -- if kept clean) buying ones that I know, from experience can be effectively resurfaced or looking on EBAY for cheap versions of what I might want and accepting the short lifespan of the equipment.

Oh, and what Brunswick said was very controlled, low heat seemed to work on their equipment.  Use Dawn and hot/warm tap water -- its safer.
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Re: can you put a ball in the oven . . . .
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2004, 09:45:48 PM »
What is that Revivor machine that pro shops can buy for like $1200?  What does that do?
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Re: can you put a ball in the oven . . . .
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2004, 10:22:11 PM »
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What is that Revivor machine that pro shops can buy for like $1200?  What does that do?
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It heats the ball to about 140-160 degrees.  I have lost three balls in those suckers...dead, dead, dead after a very temporary revival.  Now, these were  Storm, Hammer and Columbia balls, so I haven't tried it on Brunswick equipment.
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Re: can you put a ball in the oven . . . .
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2004, 10:47:37 PM »
I can only speak of past experiences...

Anybody that tells you yes for a fact or no for a fact is full of crap because different ball manufactors all say different things (brunswick recommends or recommended this, ebonite says no way).

The Good: With remove old lane oil, which should, in theroy, revive performance....

The Bad: Cores/Coverstock cool at different temps, so the coverstock my cool and shrink over a heated and expanded core, causing core seperation or the coverstock to crack. There is also a debate as wether plasticizers will release, and if they have anything to do with the ball hooking....

Plasticizer is the left over residue from manufactoring reactive resin balls, and even different companys say different things about the amount of plasticizer in the ball and its ablity to create ball reaction. Brunswick says that in the studies and testing, left over plasticizer has no effect on ball reaction. My opinion is that I would tend to agree with them.

My oven goes to about 140 at the lowest, which is what I set it at. If you are going to do this, I would recommend the lowest setting, and check the core temp by sticking a finger in the thumbhole. If it starts to get very warm to the touch, I would stop right away, although I have never had this problem.

Norm Duke Hammer- about 700 games on it, never had been cleaned between games. I had it redrilled, I'm a lefty and my brother was a righty who gave it to me. No hook at all, ball just skidded, never hooked. Tried sanding it, no difference.

Then I baked it, leaving it in for about 8-10 minutes at a time. For the first hour the ball was covered and dripping with oil, by the half of second hour, only the track area had oil and it was very little. By the end of the second hour, it was dry. The hole time, the core never heated up.

Resanded to 1000 grit wet and polished for a factory finish, and to this day I am amazed at the hook of this ball. It was literaly brand new.

I have baked my V2 particle, Cherry Bomb, a friends Cherry Bomb, my brothers BCB (with no changes to surface, this ball went from dead to a hook monster agian, bigger differnce then the Norm Duke Hammer, lol), and my Vicous Particle. I have never had any damnage to the ball, and everytime I do it, the ball comes out with a brand new reaction.

Like I said, I can only speak from experenice, but I recommend it...

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Re: can you put a ball in the oven . . . .
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2004, 10:54:09 PM »
HELL NO YOU CAN'T UNLESS YOU WANT ONE LESS BALL IN YOUR BAG.  I tried this with one of my crapy bowling balls and the first time I tried it it was ok and the next  time it was heated up way too much and cracked all the way around the entire ball.  and espeically you can't put it in an oven because it needs to have rotation otherwise all the heat will be concentrated on one part of the ball and crack it even quicker that way.  and even so  it would need to have rotation and set it at not more heat then 125 degrees in a rotating microwave/oven.  lets just say then. DON'T DO IT. LEAVE IT TO THE PROFESSIONALS.