General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: bowlinmoe on January 01, 2012, 01:04:13 AM
Title: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: bowlinmoe on January 01, 2012, 01:04:13 AM
Thoughts? I know it's not conventional and will be mocked by some/many, but does anyone do it?
I figure if it works, why not? Any tips on doing it?
Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: jodyk24 on January 01, 2012, 01:01:30 PM
Japan bowlers seem to have the backup ball down pretty good. This video was posted several weeks ago in case you missed it. Robert Smith got a taste of the backup ball while he was bowling in Japan.
Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: dizzyfugu on January 02, 2012, 01:56:47 AM
I have up to date only seen one man using a backup ball around here - very weird: a righty with lots of hand, shooting the ball in a hook across the left side of the lane! Saw that in a tournament a couple of weeks ago. Ball moved a lot, but did not carry well, though. Some women/girls around here use a back-up ball.
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Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: stormed1 on January 02, 2012, 09:48:02 AM
A few years ago ( to prove how easy the left side was in this center) a buddy threw a backup ball 3rd game when bowling against the center manager and shot 299
Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: Xx 12 X 300 xX on January 02, 2012, 12:03:48 PM
What the Asians throw is not a back up ball. It's a topped spinner ball. The backup ball is a different type of ball roll.
Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: bowlinmoe on January 02, 2012, 12:41:33 PM
How heavy is the ball that the Asians use for the spinner ball?
Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: jodyk24 on January 02, 2012, 01:41:21 PM
A back up ball is when a person rolls their bowling ball down the lane and it curves or hooks toward the 10 pin for a right-hander or toward the 7 pin for a left-hander. This is done as the ball transitions from the slide to the hook zone of a bowling lane. I don't care if his or her release is a spinner, helicopter or two handed or what the roll is.
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Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: BrunsWolf on January 02, 2012, 01:49:22 PM
No tips. However at Junior Gold one year, I bowled with Adam Martinez in qualifying the year he won it. He throws a great back up ball. Best I've ever seen by far. Won JOG and bowled in the Clash of Champions TV show (maybe on youtube?). So, yes, it can be done to an extremely high level to average 220 on sport shots for 36 games...
Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: tommyboy74 on January 02, 2012, 01:56:03 PM
Usually no more than 12-4lbs. When they use the "helicopter" spinning release, it usually causes the ball to deflect a lot when it hits the pins. A lot of people have been successful overseas using that.
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Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: tommyboy74 on January 02, 2012, 02:06:01 PM
Now for an actual backup ball, even Robert Smith has been known to throw it a time or two. One being during the 2005 Japan Cup. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsEmcChq6-s
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Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: Pinbasher209 on January 02, 2012, 02:15:40 PM
Some overseas bowlers are using a helicopter shot, with a lighter bowling ball, check You Tube several examples there.
Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: storm22 on January 02, 2012, 05:40:20 PM
Righty in my area throws a backup. Used to average right around 200. Weirdest thing to watch, but was actually quite smooth.
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Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: Xx 12 X 300 xX on January 02, 2012, 06:32:21 PM
You want to tell me the Asian guy throwing the ball, is the same thing that Robert Smith is doing in the link above. No way, not in my opinion.
A helicopter release or Asian spinner is not a back up ball IMHO. I'm not going to argue with you...
For the rest of us here. The Asian spinner spins like a top, with extreme forward spin. The bowler may throw the ball with their wrist and elbow inside the ball, but their hand comes over the top a way to produce the spin.
The back up ball works like a hook ball, but in the reverse action of the throwing hand. Many good back up players can hook the ball and make the ball look normal if you didn't see their physical game.
The difference is the back up bowler attempts to hook the ball, and the spinner does just that, spin the ball with a very light ball with extreme top spin.
I know of a very good 230+ back up player that has a rev rate of any tour professional. It's amazing.
Edited by Xx 12 X 300 xX on 1/2/2012 at 8:02 PM
Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: LuckyLefty on January 02, 2012, 08:21:01 PM
Years ago ...say 10 I bowled with a righty who could hook it strongly regular way.
In the tournament we bowled in he threw with balls drilled for his grip but with standard left handed pin positions and weighting he then threw a backup ball for all 3 games and shot a 300 81X.
I asked him about it and he mentioned that was a natural righty but often bowled backup ball on the left when he felt the conditions were best for the left side.
He also mentioned that at that time, he was spending more time on the right as conditions had deteriorated on the left compared to a few years before. Let's say we discussed this in 2002....
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Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: dizzyfugu on January 03, 2012, 01:33:12 AM
Very good description, and correct. Both are very different things from each other.
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Title: Re: Back-Up Ball for a Strike Ball....anyone do it?
Post by: Strider on January 03, 2012, 09:21:18 AM
Jimmy Martin (the guy who used to do the videos for Bowlingball.com) used to throw a very effective back up strike ball from time to time. Even though he's very versatile, sometimes the right side would be so chopped up that he'd use the other side of the lane using a pretty strong back up ball. Like anything else, if you practice enough to develop a strong release that you can repeat, it doesn't matter which direction the ball goes.
I guess my memory isn't very good sometimes. I almost forgot about one of our own BR members. He lives in FL and his user name was twinkltoes.... (some number). He changed his name, but can't remember to what. He doesn't post much. Anyway, he threw a pretty mean back up ball and averaged pretty good with it.