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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Ratt_bowling on January 27, 2015, 09:37:01 PM
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Been bowling about a year now. I have tried Ebonite Power Wash, Ebonite Clean and Dull, and Valentino Remedy Rx. The Clean and Dull cleaned best but didn't leave ball with a tacky feeling after like the sprays did.
I'm curious if anyone tried something new recently that they really liked.
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I use both hook it and remedy x
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I'm using a new Vise cleaner that works great.
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I use both hook it and remedy x
That's my combination too.
I've experimented with most of the commercial cleaners, and Hook-It is the most potent I've used. I clean with Hook-It before I leave the lanes. I've never been able to extract any oil from balls cleaned with Hook-It in my NuBall Rejuvenator. I can't say the same for balls cleaned with Simple Green home brews or other spray cleaners.
I use Remedy for cleaning between grits when I resurface/refresh on the spinner. As far as the "approved for use during USBC competition" cleaners, the product does a good job.
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I do the exact same.
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I use both hook it and remedy x
That's my combination too.
I've experimented with most of the commercial cleaners, and Hook-It is the most potent I've used. I clean with Hook-It before I leave the lanes. I've never been able to extract any oil from balls cleaned with Hook-It in my NuBall Rejuvenator. I can't say the same for balls cleaned with Simple Green home brews or other spray cleaners.
I use Remedy for cleaning between grits when I resurface/refresh on the spinner. As far as the "approved for use during USBC competition" cleaners, the product does a good job.
Check your phone, sent you a picture. This stuff is the best I've used.
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How is the rejuvenator?
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Remedy Rx is my go to cleaner. I also found that Motiv Power Gel Clean and Motiv Power Gel Scuff work well.
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Check your phone, sent you a picture. This stuff is the best I've used.
Cool. I'm always game for trying something new. I'll have my proshop guy get a bottle.
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Feel free to post that pic here is you like. I can't get it to upload from my phone.
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Yes I'd like to see it please
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Here is the link to the cleaner on the Vise site:
http://www.viseinserts.com/access_15.html
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Here is the link to the cleaner on the Vise site:
http://www.viseinserts.com/access_15.html
Man, they must have got that up in the past couple of days. I've only tried the cleaner so far. Leaves the ball nice and tacky and cleans great.
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Remedy Rx is my go to cleaner. I also found that Motiv Power Gel Clean and Motiv Power Gel Scuff work well.
Motiv Power Gel Clean is OK, but I never felt it was in the top tier of cleaners (Hook-It, Clean n' Dull).
The scuff compounds are a whole different subject, but I like Motiv Scuff. It's not a abrasive as Storm Reacta Scuff, but I like end results of the Motiv product.
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Explain why the scuff is used? I've never used it. Didn't think id use with a spinner
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Where can one purchase the Vise cleaner?
Anyone tried the Genesis/Next Gen Maxx cleaner?
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Where can one purchase the Vise cleaner?
Anyone tried the Genesis/Next Gen Maxx cleaner?
The Genesis product is ok. Similar to Powerhouse cleaner.
The Vise cleaner will probably be available through distributer ' s soon.
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Explain why the scuff is used? I've never used it. Didn't think id use with a spinner
Scuff is used when I need to do a deep clean on my solids, especially my oil monster. What it does is that it will help get the dirt/grime out but also can fix some minor surface scratches. The other thing is if you apply a thick coat on the surface, Scuff actually can extract some oil out of the cover as it dries to a powder. Once it dries, it can be brushed off.
Even though Scuff can extract some oil, it does not replace a true oil extraction.
For regular cleaning, I go with the Remedy RX or the Power Gel Clean. Deep Cleaning, I'll use the Scuff.
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Been bowling about a year now. I have tried Ebonite Power Wash, Ebonite Clean and Dull, and Valentino Remedy Rx. The Clean and Dull cleaned best but didn't leave ball with a tacky feeling after like the sprays did.
Ok, sorry I didn't notice this sooner.
Clean and Dull is THE strongest bowling ball cleaner on the market, bar none. Others may be easier to use. If your use of it did not leave the ball tacky, something is wrong with the procedure you used.
1A. You really can't use this at the lanes. You rarely have to do that because it's such a deep and strong cleaner. The 2nd best cleaning products for use at the lanes are Hook-It and LMB International cleaner (formerly Lane Masters cleaner). And they are both very effective cleaners; personally I use LMB Int'l cleaner at the lanes.
1B. I always use a rubber glove to protect my hand when applying C&D. It is that strong.
2. The current instructions from Powerhouse are not the same as the original instructions when it was marketed by Track or by its inventor, APP (Advanced Polishing Products). The original instructions are
a) Put a quarter sized dollop on a strong paper towel (like Bounty) and rub the top half of the ball for about 45 - 60 seconds, keeping the surface wet with cleaner.
b) Dampen a 2nd paper towel and wipe off the residual Clean and Dull, thoroughly.
c) Use a 3rd dry paper towel to remove the water that washed off the residual C&D.
d) Do the bottom half of the ball.
Even when bowling on true heavy oil, I'd only use C&D about every 9 games or so; that is, if you are cleaning the ball at the lanes after bowling, as you should.
I suspect the reason your ball was not tacky after using C&D is that there was residual C&D on the ball that was not removed with the dampened paper towel.
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Here is the link to the cleaner on the Vise site:
http://www.viseinserts.com/access_15.html
Steven,
What Vise cleaner are you pointing him to?
thanks.
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The big bottle on the right (in the link) that says "Cleaner".
Milo likes it, so I'll give it an honest test.
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This cleaner is on sale at Buddies Pro Shop. How good is it compared to Remedy RX and Black Magic Rejuvenator, does anyone know?
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/p-4933-lmb-international-water-based-ball-cleaner-with-instant-tack-quart.aspx
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This cleaner is on sale at Buddies Pro Shop. How good is it compared to Remedy RX and Black Magic Rejuvenator, does anyone know?
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/p-4933-lmb-international-water-based-ball-cleaner-with-instant-tack-quart.aspx
Jim,
I'm not sure if this is the same cleaner as Lane Masters original Insta-Tack, but that one I found vastly inferior to their regular cleaner, which, as you know, I regard as one of the best, even though it has an intense vapor.
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This cleaner is on sale at Buddies Pro Shop. How good is it compared to Remedy RX and Black Magic Rejuvenator, does anyone know?
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/p-4933-lmb-international-water-based-ball-cleaner-with-instant-tack-quart.aspx (http://www.buddiesproshop.com/p-4933-lmb-international-water-based-ball-cleaner-with-instant-tack-quart.aspx)
Jim,
I'm not sure if this is the same cleaner as Lane Masters original Insta-Tack, but that one I found vastly inferior to their regular cleaner, which, as you know, I regard as one of the best, even though it has an intense vapor.
It's the same and I agree, it's not a great product. There is a reason it's in the "bargain bin" on the Buddies site.
The new Vise ball cleaner works really well. I find it to be every bit as effective as Valentino's Remedy, which is a great product. It's a notch down from the original Lane Masters cleaner(now LMB International), but it doesn't have that awful smell either.
I tried a couple of different ones they were testing about a year ago, one was a clear, lime green gel and the other was wipes similar in idea to the Storm Reacta wipes. I gave both back and told them, "No one is going to buy this crap". I didn't hear about them again. LOL
I got this from my local pro shop about two weeks ago, so it will be widely available soon and may be already.
I attached a pic of the bottle here.
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Been bowling about a year now. I have tried Ebonite Power Wash, Ebonite Clean and Dull, and Valentino Remedy Rx. The Clean and Dull cleaned best but didn't leave ball with a tacky feeling after like the sprays did.
Ok, sorry I didn't notice this sooner.
Clean and Dull is THE strongest bowling ball cleaner on the market, bar none. Others may be easier to use. If your use of it did not leave the ball tacky, something is wrong with the procedure you used.
1A. You really can't use this at the lanes. You rarely have to do that because it's such a deep and strong cleaner. The 2nd best cleaning products for use at the lanes are Hook-It and LMB International cleaner (formerly Lane Masters cleaner).
1B. I always use a rubber glove to protect my hand when applying C&D. It is that strong.
2. The current instructions from Powerhouse are not the same as the original instructions when it was marketed by Track or by its inventor, APP (Advanced Polishing Products). The original instructions are
a) Put a quarter sized dollop on a strong paper towel (like Bounty) and rub the top half of the ball for about 45 - 60 seconds, keeping the surface wet with cleaner.
b) Dampen a 2nd paper towel and wipe off the residual Clean and Dull, thoroughly.
c) Use a 3rd dry paper towel to remove the water that washed off the residual C&D.
d) Do the bottom half of the ball.
Even when bowling on true heavy oil, I'd only use C&D about every 9 games or so; that is, if you are cleaning the ball at the lanes after bowling, as you should.
I suspect the reason your ball was not tacky after using C&D is that there was residual C&D on the ball that was not removed with the dampened paper towel.
I will try it this way tonight. Thank You.
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I use clean and dull then energizer foam cleaner on dull equipment, and energizer foam cleaner then power wash on polished equipment. This system works pretty well.
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This cleaner is on sale at Buddies Pro Shop. How good is it compared to Remedy RX and Black Magic Rejuvenator, does anyone know?
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/p-4933-lmb-international-water-based-ball-cleaner-with-instant-tack-quart.aspx (http://www.buddiesproshop.com/p-4933-lmb-international-water-based-ball-cleaner-with-instant-tack-quart.aspx)
Jim,
I'm not sure if this is the same cleaner as Lane Masters original Insta-Tack, but that one I found vastly inferior to their regular cleaner, which, as you know, I regard as one of the best, even though it has an intense vapor.
It's the same and I agree, it's not a great product. There is a reason it's in the "bargain bin" on the Buddies site.
The new Vise ball cleaner works really well. I find it to be every bit as effective as Valentino's Remedy, which is a great product. It's a notch down from the original Lane Masters cleaner(now LMB International), but it doesn't have that awful smell either.
I tried a couple of different ones they were testing about a year ago, one was a clear, lime green gel and the other was wipes similar in idea to the Storm Reacta wipes. I gave both back and told them, "No one is going to buy this crap". I didn't hear about them again. LOL
I got this from my local pro shop about two weeks ago, so it will be widely available soon and may be already.
I attached a pic of the bottle here.
Thanks, "milo".
I also found Reacta wipes fairly ineffective.
I'll have to try this Vise cleaner sometime soon.
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I use Tac up...A great spray cleaner....Then I use Storm Reacta Scuff...I usually
put it on with an abralon pad...If I want a dull surface...I leave it and wipe it off
with Tac up...
If I want a polished surface, I apply the polish and again wipe it off with Tac up....
Leaves the ball nice and tacky...
And gives new meaning to the term...Back end... ;D ;)
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I use Tac up...A great spray cleaner....Then I use Storm Reacta Scuff...I usually
put it on with an abralon pad...If I want a dull surface...I leave it and wipe it off
with Tac up...
If I want a polished surface, I apply the polish and again wipe it off with Tac up....
Leaves the ball nice and tacky...
And gives new meaning to the term...Back end... ;D ;)
You do know that we are discussing the cleaning of BOWLING balls...right? ;D ;D
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heard months ago storm was supposed to come out with a gel based cleaner, anyone know what happened with that??
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I use Tac up...A great spray cleaner....Then I use Storm Reacta Scuff...I usually
put it on with an abralon pad...If I want a dull surface...I leave it and wipe it off
with Tac up...
If I want a polished surface, I apply the polish and again wipe it off with Tac up....
Leaves the ball nice and tacky...
And gives new meaning to the term...Back end... ;D ;)
You do know that we are discussing the cleaning of BOWLING balls...right? ;D ;D
Yes I do...And there is a reason why Storm balls are the top selling balls on the market....It's called the miracle drug..."Reacta Scuff"...lol...
Cause more than likely...your bowling balls need more backend...lol...
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Also consider Knockout Ball Cleaner. www.knockoutballcleaner.com It comes in a spray on bottle and is pretty effective. Clean n Dull and Valentino's Remedy are my favorite cleaners, but I bought several bottles of Knockout in a recent promotion and used the stuff.
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After trying various others including homemade, I've settled in with Remedy RX for regular use and Clean & Dull for deeper cleaning when needed. The Remedy Rx is a very nice cleaner that doesn't smell bad, and for me leaves a nice tacky feeling, especially when cleaning using a spinner. Highly recommended.
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lane masters tacky 1 great ball cleaner
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Been bowling about a year now. I have tried Ebonite Power Wash, Ebonite Clean and Dull, and Valentino Remedy Rx. The Clean and Dull cleaned best but didn't leave ball with a tacky feeling after like the sprays did.
Ok, sorry I didn't notice this sooner.
Clean and Dull is THE strongest bowling ball cleaner on the market, bar none. Others may be easier to use. If your use of it did not leave the ball tacky, something is wrong with the procedure you used.
1A. You really can't use this at the lanes. You rarely have to do that because it's such a deep and strong cleaner. The 2nd best cleaning products for use at the lanes are Hook-It and LMB International cleaner (formerly Lane Masters cleaner). And they are both very effective cleaners; personally I use LMB Int'l cleaner at the lanes.
1B. I always use a rubber glove to protect my hand when applying C&D. It is that strong.
2. The current instructions from Powerhouse are not the same as the original instructions when it was marketed by Track or by its inventor, APP (Advanced Polishing Products). The original instructions are
a) Put a quarter sized dollop on a strong paper towel (like Bounty) and rub the top half of the ball for about 45 - 60 seconds, keeping the surface wet with cleaner.
b) Dampen a 2nd paper towel and wipe off the residual Clean and Dull, thoroughly.
c) Use a 3rd dry paper towel to remove the water that washed off the residual C&D.
d) Do the bottom half of the ball.
Even when bowling on true heavy oil, I'd only use C&D about every 9 games or so; that is, if you are cleaning the ball at the lanes after bowling, as you should.
I suspect the reason your ball was not tacky after using C&D is that there was residual C&D on the ball that was not removed with the dampened paper towel.
I follow the correct instructions you gave for using C&D last night and it worked exactly as intended. Thank you very much CharlesT.
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Ratt_bowling,
Glad it worked for you. You're welcome.
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Are there any differences between Ebonite Clean N Dull vs. Powerhouse Clean N Dull vs. Track Clean N Dull formulations?
I have a small bottle of the Powerhouse branded stuff and would like to buy a 32 oz. bottle for my next buy since it's way cheaper per oz. I just want to make sure that they're all as effective as one another?
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Powerhouse is the name...
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Are there any differences between Ebonite Clean N Dull vs. Powerhouse Clean N Dull vs. Track Clean N Dull formulations?
I have a small bottle of the Powerhouse branded stuff and would like to buy a 32 oz. bottle for my next buy since it's way cheaper per oz. I just want to make sure that they're all as effective as one another?
Powerhouse is the brand name for Ebonite's family of ball maintenance accessories; so Ebonite C&D = Powerhouse C&D. As for whether or not Ebonite is making their own version of C&D or still buying it from APP (Advanced Polishing Products (like Track did) I cannot say. (APP is the inventor and original merchandiser of C&D. Their name is on every bottle of Track's C&D.)
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Powerhouse is the brand name for Ebonite's family of ball maintenance accessories; so Ebonite C&D = Powerhouse C&D. As for whether or not Ebonite is making their own version of C&D or still buying it from APP (Advanced Polishing Products (like Track did) I cannot say. (APP is the inventor and original merchandiser of C&D. Their name is on every bottle of Track's C&D.)
Alright. Thanks for the clarification.
I haven't heard any complaints about one brand of C&D being ineffective vs another so if Ebonite is making their own, I guess they're doing a pretty good job of it.
I just picked up 32 oz of the stuff. After seeing some oil rings still on a ball that I cleaned off with SG+alcohol on a spinner after its use, and seeing those rings disappear after cleaning it again with C&D (a few days after the ball was thrown even), I'm a believer in the stuff.
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I've tried a lot of the different cleaners in the last few years and here's what I would consider as the best products I've tried and currently:
**Regular cleaner**
Powerhouse Clean N' Dull- Solids
Motiv Power Gel Clean- Pearls
**Tacky cleaner**
Remedy RX- Pearls
Powerhouse Power Wash- Pearls
**Deep Cleaner**
Powerhouse Adrenaline Wipes- All
Motiv Power Gel Scuff- Solids
I'm planning on buying a bottle of the Next Gen Evolution Maxx and Intense cleaners this weekend to try it out. But the Vise cleaners, I have not heard about them until just now.
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I'm using a new Vise cleaner that works great.
My Proshop guy got me a bottle of the new Vise Cleaner, and I had a chance to test it out today.
It seems to clean pretty well. I got a lot of stuff off my Raptor P7 after bowling 3 games on a pair with heavy fresh oil. When I got home, I went over the ball again NeoTac Hook-it, my favorite high potency cleaner. I wasn't able to get anything additional off the ball, so the Vise cleaner at least passed the first test.
After using Vise for a few weeks, I run a few balls through my NuBall Rejuvinator to see if any oil bleeds out. That will be the final test.
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I have yet to see oil come out of a Motiv ball. I'm sure they pick it up, but it must go deeper into the cover stock somehow. I've seen it pour out of other brands using my same ball oven, but not the Motiv balls.
The Vise cleaner isn't the equal of your Hook It, it's a step down from that level of cleaner in my opinion. More equal to Powerhouse Energizer cleaner or Storm Reacta Clean.
I'm using a new Vise cleaner that works great.
My Proshop guy got me a bottle of the new Vise Cleaner, and I had a chance to test it out today.
It seems to clean pretty well. I got a lot of stuff off my Raptor P7 after bowling 3 games on a pair with heavy fresh oil. When I got home, I went over the ball again NeoTac Hook-it, my favorite high potency cleaner. I wasn't able to get anything additional off the ball, so the Vise cleaner at least passed the first test.
After using Vise for a few weeks, I run a few balls through my NuBall Rejuvinator to see if any oil bleeds out. That will be the final test.