Post by: marauder181 on November 19, 2008, 01:02:12 AM
She will not have fingertip grips in the ball. What type of ball should she get? A normal straightball or possibly an unagressive ball that may help her hit the pocket a little more flushly?
Post by: Necromancer on November 19, 2008, 09:14:35 AM
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Post by: blacknois on November 19, 2008, 09:16:16 AM
Post by: Necromancer on November 19, 2008, 09:18:59 AM
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messengers, power grooves, tropical storm, maybe the razyr if she begins to hook the ball
No offense but I feel the Tropical storms are the biggest POS balls Storm ever produced - and I am nearly 80% Storm as far as equipment LOL. I wouldn't give a Tropical Storm ball even to my worsest of enemies. It would just be too mean.
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Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
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Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
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Post by: Aloarjr810 on November 19, 2008, 09:19:27 AM
She don't put much on the ball. The plastic ball will hook alitte, but lacks some punch at the pocket and has alot of deflection leaves on a fresh shot. Dry lanes it works better.
The venus (she loved that name.) was recommend by the pro shop for her. It gave her alot more punch at the pocket on the fresh. but if see slows down or lanes dry out. The venus can take off ( though alot of that is because she cant grasp the idea of moving) on the backend.
The best way for her to chose a ball is stop by the proshop and talk to them. Ask them to watch her bowl and to suggest what would be best for her.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on November 19, 2008, 09:29:50 AM
quote:So maybe you should tell us why you don't like them? From what I've seen, they're deceptively strong, and very angular on the backend, great for when you need to move in deep on drier lanes. I've seen a lot of good scores shot with them doing just that.
No offense but I feel the Tropical storms are the biggest POS balls Storm ever produced - and I am nearly 80% Storm as far as equipment LOL. I wouldn't give a Tropical Storm ball even to my worsest of enemies. It would just be too mean.
Post by: Necromancer on November 19, 2008, 09:38:32 AM
quote:quote:So maybe you should tell us why you don't like them? From what I've seen, they're deceptively strong, and very angular on the backend, great for when you need to move in deep on drier lanes. I've seen a lot of good scores shot with them doing just that.
No offense but I feel the Tropical storms are the biggest POS balls Storm ever produced - and I am nearly 80% Storm as far as equipment LOL. I wouldn't give a Tropical Storm ball even to my worsest of enemies. It would just be too mean.
Oh haha. Ok...
-They are only good for very few lane conditions (drier is better, wood is lovely)
-Inferior reactive resins
-Inferior coverstocks (I have heard many chip all over the place like a cookie)
-POS core (just look at it, the only thing separate it from plastic is about a golf ball size piece of metal)
-Hits weak
-For the price a rip off (should be priced like a plastic ball)
Better off getting a decent mid range ball and modifying that to fit the lane conditions. You can scuff the Tropical all you want but it ain't going nowhere when the oil comes out. And even if it does, it hits like a plastic ball for 99% of bowlers.
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Storm Shift Gravity
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages:
Fall/Winter 2008 215.000
Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467
2006-07 Year 213.067
2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
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Post by: rustylegacy on November 19, 2008, 10:49:00 AM
Post by: Monster Pike on November 19, 2008, 10:55:34 AM
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Post by: Necromancer on November 19, 2008, 10:58:00 AM
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Tropicals use Reactor, from seeing a few Dominations in action I would say is anything but weak. Why pay more money when he is asking for a ball that goes straight and isnt drilled for finger tips. Who cares about the core, my friend throws her Tropical 8mph, if she hits the pocket good 10 pins fall. Lastly, why recommend an old discontinued ball to someone looking for a NEW ball.
"Old discontinued" to describe the C300 Messenger Ti? BLASPHEMY!!!! I'd buy one NIB for $200 if I could find one.
I used it when I bowled in college and no other ball on the planet hits like it does. Most underrated ball of all time and probably one of the greatest cores of all time.
New doesn't always mean better. Just look at the entire NV line by Ebonite for example LOL!!!!
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Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm Shift Gravity
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages:
Fall/Winter 2008 215.000
Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467
2006-07 Year 213.067
2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
Post by: blacknois on November 19, 2008, 11:45:47 AM
Post by: Dan Belcher on November 19, 2008, 11:57:29 AM
quote:It's only meant for dry lanes. Do you not understand the concept of a dry lane ball? You don't throw it on oil! And for the record, Reactor is not an "inferior" coverstock. It's the same cover that was on the Fired Up, Spit Fire, Agent, Paradigm Domination, and so forth. Moderate strength pearl cover, very weak core, it's meant to be a couple steps above plastic for when the lanes get toasty and anything stronger wants to burn up. (And I'd disagree with the "hits weak" part as well)quote:quote:So maybe you should tell us why you don't like them? From what I've seen, they're deceptively strong, and very angular on the backend, great for when you need to move in deep on drier lanes. I've seen a lot of good scores shot with them doing just that.
No offense but I feel the Tropical storms are the biggest POS balls Storm ever produced - and I am nearly 80% Storm as far as equipment LOL. I wouldn't give a Tropical Storm ball even to my worsest of enemies. It would just be too mean.
Oh haha. Ok...
-They are only good for very few lane conditions (drier is better, wood is lovely)
-Inferior reactive resins
-Inferior coverstocks (I have heard many chip all over the place like a cookie)
-POS core (just look at it, the only thing separate it from plastic is about a golf ball size piece of metal)
-Hits weak
-For the price a rip off (should be priced like a plastic ball)
Better off getting a decent mid range ball and modifying that to fit the lane conditions. You can scuff the Tropical all you want but it ain't going nowhere when the oil comes out. And even if it does, it hits like a plastic ball for 99% of bowlers.
Post by: Necromancer on November 19, 2008, 12:15:41 PM
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well, different people have different experiences with different equipment, i've thrown all but the total NV, and had good success with each piece, along with the crappy tropical storms, and my ball in high school, a Messenger Ti, was the worst ball i've ever thrown, no matter what i did it hit like a pumpkin
Drilled it wrong then LOL. I had it drilled for leverage with no weight hole and polished at like 4000 grit.
BTW, I'm talking about the Ti that was Purple/Red/Blue not the Black/Gold Pearl weak trash ball.
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Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm Shift Gravity
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages:
Fall/Winter 2008 215.000
Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467
2006-07 Year 213.067
2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
Post by: Monster Pike on November 19, 2008, 12:19:43 PM
quote:quote:
messengers, power grooves, tropical storm, maybe the razyr if she begins to hook the ball
No offense but I feel the Tropical storms are the biggest POS balls Storm ever produced - and I am nearly 80% Storm as far as equipment LOL. I wouldn't give a Tropical Storm ball even to my worsest of enemies. It would just be too mean.
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Current Arsenal (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/")
Greatest Ball of All Time (http://"http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q21/mikecart1/Bowling%20Arsenal/?action=view¤t=092808017.jpg")
Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm Shift Gravity
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages:
Fall/Winter 2008 215.000
Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467
2006-07 Year 213.067
2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
You drilled it wrong then.
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Post by: Necromancer on November 19, 2008, 12:23:23 PM
quote:quote:It's only meant for dry lanes. Do you not understand the concept of a dry lane ball? You don't throw it on oil! And for the record, Reactor is not an "inferior" coverstock. It's the same cover that was on the Fired Up, Spit Fire, Agent, Paradigm Domination, and so forth. Moderate strength pearl cover, very weak core, it's meant to be a couple steps above plastic for when the lanes get toasty and anything stronger wants to burn up. (And I'd disagree with the "hits weak" part as well)quote:quote:So maybe you should tell us why you don't like them? From what I've seen, they're deceptively strong, and very angular on the backend, great for when you need to move in deep on drier lanes. I've seen a lot of good scores shot with them doing just that.
No offense but I feel the Tropical storms are the biggest POS balls Storm ever produced - and I am nearly 80% Storm as far as equipment LOL. I wouldn't give a Tropical Storm ball even to my worsest of enemies. It would just be too mean.
Oh haha. Ok...
-They are only good for very few lane conditions (drier is better, wood is lovely)
-Inferior reactive resins
-Inferior coverstocks (I have heard many chip all over the place like a cookie)
-POS core (just look at it, the only thing separate it from plastic is about a golf ball size piece of metal)
-Hits weak
-For the price a rip off (should be priced like a plastic ball)
Better off getting a decent mid range ball and modifying that to fit the lane conditions. You can scuff the Tropical all you want but it ain't going nowhere when the oil comes out. And even if it does, it hits like a plastic ball for 99% of bowlers.
I don't believe in those 'dry-lane' balls anymore. If you are bowling on a dry-lane you are bowling on some prehistoric lane. I have only bowled on wood once in the past 5+ years and that was at a state tournament LOL. I am also talking about the overall picture. Like comparing a casual shoe that can be worn everywhere almost to track shoes with spikes that are only good for running on the track.
Also I believe you can take any mid-lane ball with a far better core and modify the coverstock to get through dry lanes. I used to think like you with getting 'dry-oil balls' until I realized I was getting complete s*** at nearly the same price as a high performance ball.
Also when I mean hit hard, I am not like the other dumbos on this site that for every ball review they say "it hits like a truck" or "no this hits like a truck on roids!" or "no this hits like a tank with missiles coming out the back". WTF does that even mean? When I finally see what they are talking about, they will show vids on youtube, and they are simply meaning strikes as if they never see strikes before. This is totally the wrong way of thinking what hits hards. If you put it that way, I can take any plastic ball, stand on the 5 board and throw the ball down 30 mph straight to the pocket and BAM we got our "truck".
I'm talking about sound when it hits the pins. The plastic ball and inferior cores that have less dense material in them will make a hollow sound - even with those 'truck-like' strikes. A very dense core or core with a solid bomb like the classic Ebonite V2's or Messengers or similar will hit with a much louder snapping sound because the dense material doesn't give much when it hits the pins.
Sorry for rant, but this is after 7 years of seeing worthless reviews on this site when it comes to bowling balls.
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Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm Shift Gravity
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages:
Fall/Winter 2008 215.000
Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467
2006-07 Year 213.067
2007 Tourney 178.029
2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???
Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001
6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
Post by: ucumin2 on November 19, 2008, 12:25:57 PM
Post by: Dan Belcher on November 19, 2008, 12:59:36 PM
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I don't believe in those 'dry-lane' balls anymore. If you are bowling on a dry-lane you are bowling on some prehistoric lane. I have only bowled on wood once in the past 5+ years and that was at a state tournament LOL.
1) Try bowling in another part of the country. I see wood lanes in two out of the three houses I bowl in each week, and I saw ancient wood lanes in the tournament I bowled last week, and will see older wood lanes this weekend in another tournament. They start heavily oiled and finish bone friggin' dry if you put enough games on them.
2) What if you have a lower ball speed? Dry lane balls sure would come in handy then, right?
3) Bowling second or third shift in a tournament when they don't reoil between blocks can give you some seriously dry lanes. Yes, you can stand really deep inside and throw a stronger ball, but if you suck at swinging the lane (like me), it's better to use a weaker ball and move right. Thankfully I'm seriously speed dominant and almost never see dry lanes, so I don't even have anything weaker than a Spit Fire aside from my spare ball. However, I sure could have used a weakly-drilled, polish Tropical this weekend in the state tournament. I spent half the time throwing plastic because everything else was hooking at the arrows...
Post by: KingofKings696 on November 19, 2008, 04:08:19 PM