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no300yet

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ball for carrydown
« on: September 30, 2007, 07:17:34 AM »
Is there such a ball that is good for a light oil head with carrydown? A strong ball with grabby cover drilled to go long?
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Russell

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Re: ball for carrydown
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2007, 06:41:45 PM »
Physics won't allow a ball to not read the dry in the front part of the lane and then read the oil down the lane.

It's not possible...not matter what any ball company tells you.

Generally when you run into this the move is to get further inside and slow your speed down.  Generally you can find head oil if you get far enough left and the lower speed should allow it to read the backend.
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Re: ball for carrydown
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2007, 06:46:51 PM »
i agree with russell, your gonna have to chase the little bit of oil left and chicken wing it.  i use a Delta Rule 1 with a smooth drilling on it and it works great.  handles the carrydown & over/under well.
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John D Davis

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Re: ball for carrydown
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2007, 06:51:22 PM »




Whatever ball u may chose... it makes it so much easier if u are using a pearl ball instead of a solid coverstock...
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Russell

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Re: ball for carrydown
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2007, 08:16:57 PM »
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Whatever ball u may chose... it makes it so much easier if u are using a pearl ball instead of a solid coverstock...


I disagree....it depends on the condition.  When you have mindsets like that it can limit your choices when you need to open them up.  I had found great success on this condition with a polished Black Widow with the pin up.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: ball for carrydown
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2007, 07:17:27 AM »
The best luck I've had on something like this is to use a pearl particle and roll it a little slower than usual.  Look for good midlane to generate entry angle so the ball sets well into the pocket even with the carrydown.
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Re: ball for carrydown
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2007, 10:21:41 AM »
I know that I have seen the T-ROAD PEARL deal with carry down very well.
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Re: ball for carrydown
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2007, 10:29:32 AM »
My suggestion would be either a sanded urethane ball (some old-school piece will do, e. g. a Faball) or a polished light-load particle pearl piece. I think MoRich's (discintinued) Onslaught would be a good candidate, or one of the discontinued particle Power Grooves (Plum Pearl at OOB or a polished Black Sparkle).

A strong coverstock ball is IMHO not the way to go. Once it hits the dry, it grabs and loses power, even if drilled weak.

To battle carrydown, you might also want a rather rolly layout with not too much snap to it. A pin axis drilling can be a good solution, or putting the pin at least 5" from PAP and the CG/MB at about 75° to smooth out the breakpoint a bit.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: ball for carrydown
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2007, 10:46:29 AM »
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My suggestion would be either a sanded urethane ball (some old-school piece will do, e. g. a Faball) or a polished light-load particle pearl piece. I think MoRich's (discintinued) Onslaught would be a good candidate, or one of the discontinued particle Power Grooves (Plum Pearl at OOB or a polished Black Sparkle).

A strong coverstock ball is IMHO not the way to go. Once it hits the dry, it grabs and loses power, even if drilled weak.
I used an Onslaught my teammate gave to me a couple years ago on a second shift league, it ate up that shot.  Great piece if you can find one.  I am having good luck in my current second shift league throwing another MoRich ball, the Awesome Revs.  However, we do get a short head oil filled laid down right before we bowl to help the balls get through the heads, but even then they still want to roll up pretty early since that oil just gets pushed around and dragged down.  I don't have any problem at all with the ball hooking too early and rolling out on this condition.  The more dry I find for the ball, the better it hits actually.
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Re: ball for carrydown
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2007, 06:46:59 PM »
It all depends on
- which type of ball AND drilling AND Surface you are using currently,
- whether you want to send the ball inside, outside the carrydown area or through it,
- what type of player, what type of release you are using and what type of alternat erelease you can use.

When there's carrydown, you can
- go through it with a stronger ball, starting the ball well inside the current ball path, OR
- use a ball that will hook earlier, so that it will already be hooking by the time it gets to the carrydown and you do not have to depend on the ball hooking at the breakpoint area that contains carrydown, OR
- use a stronger ball with slower ball speed and a more end-over-end release, so the ball hooks inside the carrydown area and WHEN it hits the end of the oil pattern, OR
- go outside the carrydown area using a more polished ball that will still skid thru the heads and midlane (depending on the angle desired or required) and use the dry area outside the carrydown area (this can require a higher flaring polished (maybe a pearl, maybe a particle pearl, maybe a polished solid resinball with more backend capability).


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Re: ball for carrydown
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2007, 12:45:13 AM »
Thanks all!

Can't get around it. Fury wouldn't clear head. Slowing down the 14 lb. Vibe and it loses power and carry, especially in the carrydown. Slower ball speed usually does not work well for me unless the lane condition is ideal.

Best shot so far: really swing the Vibe and aim for the high pocket, relying on ball speed and power( unlike the normal shot for the Vibe, which loves the low hits). It works OK. Only not a good looking, hooking shot, lol!

I just "think" I need a ball in between. What's the difference between a regular pearl and a particle pearl? I read that particles are harder to maintain.......wonder if the new Storm Sure Fire will work?
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