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xiek376

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Ball Maintenance
« on: October 23, 2013, 07:29:26 AM »
For someone with little experience in maintaining equipment, what is recommended as far as ball maintenance?  I have a Storm cleaning product that the pro shop sold me and said to clean the ball at least ever 12 - 15 games.  Is that all I need to be doing?  Is there a rule of thumb as far as getting a ball resurfaced after X number of games?

I'm getting back into bowling in a big way after a long layoff, and I want to ensure I'm making the most out of my equipment.  Thanks!

 

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Re: Ball Maintenance
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2013, 07:39:00 PM »

This habit has showed positive results recently when testing a friend's new invention, an oil extracting oven. It took me 10 balls of ones that I had used a lot over the past 2 - 3 years, before I found one that gave up its oil. It was a much older ball, 5 - 7 years old. The others, even though they all had 80 -150+ games on them each, gave up no oil and I was wondering about my friend's invention. I need not have worried; it worked fine. I just prevented my bowling balls from absorbing oil by my cleaning regimen.



A big +1. I follow the same regime and had the same experience when initially using your friends invention -- NuBall. It's amazing how much you can do to prevent oil absorption if you stay on top of it.

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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2013, 08:04:32 PM »
Thanks for the advice all!  Glad I'm asking this early on in the ball's use.  Here's my to do list I've been making:

1) Go to store and buy micro fiber towels

2) Purchase a good cleaner and clean right after (or soon after!) bowling.  Looking at the clean n dull here: http://www.bowling.com/products/powerhouse-clean-n--dull-quart.htm

3) Purchase pads to use every 9 - 12 games.  Looking at these:  http://www.bowling.com/products/abralon-sanding-pad-4000-grit.htm

4) Visit pro shop about further resurfacing when necessary (usually 25 - 40ish games).

5)  Kick some @ss on my bowling league!!!

Let me know if I'm missing anything.  Thanks agains!!

Back in the day, there was a great band called Public Enemy.  One of their biggest songs was titled "Don't Believe the Hype!"   Good advice, especially when it comes to cleaning your bowling ball.  There are a couple of users on here who seemingly own stock in bowling ball cleaner companies. 

As Nails and Mainzer have said, simple cleaners work just fine.  Many people, me included, make our own cleaner using 33% H20, 33% Simple Green, 33% Isoproyl Alcohol (preferrably 90% or stronger).  Look up what components make up a good all-purpose cleaner and you'll see why that formula works.   

Oil removal?  Use a microfiber towel before every shot.  Use the above cleaner before bagging the balls after bowling.  When you can moisten your thumb, rub it on the ball and not get a good "squeak" and friction between skin and ball, time to de-oil.  If you see your ball doesn't react as it did new, time to de-oil.  Do the thumb test and you will be alerted that its time to de-oil long before you see less reaction.  Safe and easy way to de-oil?  Go to the pro shop and have your ball put in the Rejuvenator.  Safe and easy way to de-oil and save money?  Put ball in dishwasher, no soap, no heated dry, no sanitize.  Run one normal cycle (90 minutes).  Like new.  Wife won't let you do that (she should, won't hurt dishwasher at all), put ball in bucket of hot water with some Dawn dish soap and let soak.  Wipe oil off surface of ball, repeat until you don't see an oil sheen on top of water and ball feels clean.

Resurfacing or maintaining factory surface?  You can carry some Abralon pads around but that is just a superficial fix.  Factories build up to OOB surface in steps.  This is best left, ideally, to a pro shop with a Haus machine to simulate how the factory finishes a ball with various grit pads.  At the very least, this should be down by somebody who knows their way around a ball spinner.

Unlike some of the advice that you have gotten that is just re-gurgitated from bowling magazine articles and print from advertisements, the methods above are real world tested, real world approved, and real world effective.  Choice is and always will be yours.       
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Re: Ball Maintenance
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2013, 09:03:46 PM »

Unlike some of the advice that you have gotten that is just re-gurgitated from bowling magazine articles and print from advertisements, the methods above are real world tested, real world approved, and real world effective.  Choice is and always will be yours.     


Maybe you'd like to point out specifically anything "regurgitated" that hasn't been extensively practiced by the people who put forth the advice. I can't wait to hear....


BTW, a proshop Rejuvinator session followed by a resurfacing for a single ball will set you back $25-$30, minimum. If you're serious and bowl league and tournaments using a 6-ball arsenal, do the math. You're going to be transferring measurable wealth to your proshop in very short order.


I know you don't do any serious surface adjustments yourself. Which is odd, because you feel surface is at least 80% of reaction. You should want to have total control of your surfaces. To make minor or major adjustments on your own terms.


Fear not. You can be that "somebody who knows their way around a ball spinner". Learning how to maintain your own equipment isn't brain surgery. Personal ball spinners don't bite. The abrasives, compounds, cleaners, and polishes needed are not overwhelming. If you don't have access to someone who can teach you, just ask here. There are several of us who would be more than happy to help you out.


Choice is and always will be yours. 
« Last Edit: October 24, 2013, 02:08:21 AM by Steven »

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Re: Ball Maintenance
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2013, 03:48:55 AM »
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If you don't have access to someone who can teach you, just ask here. There are several of us who would be more than happy to help you out.

+100 for this comment for me...im more or less a total newb...just started bowling 4 years ago and just recently started getting into proper cleaning methods and such and this site has been nothing but patient and helping with any and all questions i have had no matter how small or stupid

so glad i found this site

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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2013, 07:01:00 AM »
Maybe you'd like to point out specifically anything "regurgitated" that hasn't been extensively practiced by the people who put forth the advice. I can't wait to hear....

No, that's your typical trite and boring modus operandi.  I'll stand by what I said and about who I said it.  Glad to see that you know yourself well enough to recognize when your'e being described.


BTW, a proshop Rejuvinator session followed by a resurfacing for a single ball will set you back $25-$30, minimum. If you're serious and bowl league and tournaments using a 6-ball arsenal, do the math. You're going to be transferring measurable wealth to your proshop in very short order.

Do tell.  Perhaps that's why I mentioned a free alternative that can be done at one's house and is just as effective


I know you don't do any serious surface adjustments yourself. Which is odd, because you feel surface is at least 80% of reaction. You should want to have total control of your surfaces. To make minor or major adjustments on your own terms.

You have no idea how I feel about anything. The point I made about maintaining a balls surface being best done with the proper grits and a Haus machine is absolutely correct.  Ball spinner?  Just like your Easy Bake Oven for Bowling Balls is a poor substitute for factory equipment, a ball spinner enters too many variables to be accurate and repeatable due to variances in pressure applied to pads by different human operators. Its laughable for anybody to even suggest that you can get the Rz and Ra patterns and levels correct using a manual method.  Surprised a bowling "scientist" such as yourself would even suggest it.


Fear not. You can be that "somebody who knows their way around a ball spinner". Learning how to maintain your own equipment isn't brain surgery. Personal ball spinners don't bite. The abrasives, compounds, cleaners, and polishes needed are not overwhelming. If you don't have access to someone who can teach you, just ask here. There are several of us who would be more than happy to help you out.

Learn ball spinning technique from reading a post on an internet forum?  Uh, sure.

So, in summation, OP, there are very cheap and effective home-made cleaners you can use.  There are very cheap and effective techniques you can do to keep your ball free of oil.  If you really want to maintain your ball at factory surface condition, that is where you should spend your money at the pro shop that has a Haus machine.   

Long Gone also posts the honest truth which is why i respect him. He posts these things knowing some may not like it.

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xiek376

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Re: Ball Maintenance
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2013, 09:14:55 AM »
Thanks again to everyone.  Regardless of the differing opinions in this thread, what I was instructed to do before definitely wasn't cutting it, so I'm moving in the right direction.  I'm only bowling in one league currently, but that will probably change to more in the future and hopefully some tournaments as well.  I'm also looking to take some lessons soon to see what I need to work on to hopefully elevate my game.  Based on the anticipated increase in bowling frequency, I wanted to make sure I had maintenance down and this thread has helped.

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Re: Ball Maintenance
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2013, 10:37:28 AM »
Long gone has a great points.

the Haus Machine is much more accurate than any person could be, especially someone who is just learning how to use a spinner.

Simple Household products work fine to clean your gear I have been doing it for years with no issues.

Alot of the cleaners list Rubbing Alcohol as a main Ingredient.


Keep your surfaces fresh and you shouldn't have any problems.
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Re: Ball Maintenance
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2013, 12:25:32 PM »
Ok LGD. You made a claim of regurgitation, but refuse to back it up with anything specific. So be it. Unfortunately, Nothing more was expected.

For anyone with an open mind, spinners are perfectly safe, and once you get the hang of operation, you get a good feel for the grits, time, and the amount of pressure to achieve your objective. They work for 90% of the proshops that use them as their primary resurface tool. At a personal level, I shot a 756 last night with a ball I've resurfaced several times. Amazing. No flat spots, and the ball has remarkably remained round. Who knew??

Again, anyone with an open mind who wants to learn the advantages of maintaining your own surfaces, just ask. There are many qualified folks here willing to help out.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2013, 12:48:39 PM by Steven »

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Re: Ball Maintenance
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2013, 03:27:37 PM »
Whatever.  A thousand people could post what Mainzer just did and you would still want to argue.  You go ahead and keep posting until your fingers bleed.  Doesn't change the fact that you're in the minority. 
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Re: Ball Maintenance
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2013, 05:14:58 PM »
A haus machine would be great and convenient but not always cost effective for an individual or a proshop.

Will a home spinner get you the desired results you want? Yes very much so. It is not complicated by any means and likely Gizmo has or will post a video demo with the other things he is doing. For serious bowlers it is a great $200-250 investment along with the other ideas LGD as mentioned.

I will be trying LGD 3in1 cleaner here likely next week. If you have ever purchased something very "bowling specific" only to realize it looks and smells just like windex you may see how many of these items are just over priced relabeled materials from the every day world.

Same for many of the tools used in the proshop. You do not have to buy the hype to have it.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Ball Maintenance
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2013, 07:56:51 PM »
Whatever.  A thousand people could post what Mainzer just did and you would still want to argue.  You go ahead and keep posting until your fingers bleed.  Doesn't change the fact that you're in the minority.

Argue what? I have no issue with Haas machines or the Storm surface factories you see in more proshops. But as Kid correctly mentioned, those pieces of equipment aren't cheap, and they're not cost effective if you're doing continuous minor refreshes across multiple balls. Ball surfaces breakdown quickly. I'm refreshing 1000, 2000, and 4000 grit surfaces across several balls on a weekly basis. It's not going to work for me to camp out in the proshop.

Again, once you get some experience on a spinner, it's not that hard to achieve consistent results. I've tested my results on the Jayhawk Surface Scanner, and I'm measuring fairly consistent numbers. The spinner is accurate enough.

I'm not going to get started with you on cleaning. Your mixture is not as effective as the 2 or 3 top flight bowling cleaners. Period. If its good enough for you, then great. But since you've never done comparative testing, you're not in a position to make a pronouncement.

All that really matters is what you want to believe. Be content.
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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2013, 08:34:13 PM »
I'm sure more users besides me would love to see all the documentation that your own comparisons of cleaners produced.  I would imagine you have reams and reams of useful information.  Please post is ASAP.  Inquiring minds are eager to know.

So typical.  So quick to dismiss somebody's opinion because there is no documentation of results, yet you offer none.  You really should read to yourself what you type at least three times and then delete it.  Would save everybody a lot of eyestrain.   :o

Read that, kidlost?  Don't post your results of trying out my recipe for a cleaner unless you can back it up with a signed affadavit from Underwriters Laboratories.   ::) 
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Re: Ball Maintenance
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2013, 08:50:05 PM »
Noted
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2013, 09:31:35 PM »
Be prepared to share the recipe, Kid.  Everybody in my leagues who have asked about it and tried it use it to this day.  They realized the folly of spending ten bucks for a bottle of water, citric acid or some other detergent, and a surfactant when they can mix their own for pennies and have it do the job better
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Re: Ball Maintenance
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2013, 09:40:44 PM »
I'm also guilty of using windex (My driller also recommended it once.).

I'm also a fan of the dishwasher (no soap, sanitation or heated dry.). I intend to cycle a ball tomorrow - while my wife's not home.




A haus machine would be great and convenient but not always cost effective for an individual or a proshop.

Will a home spinner get you the desired results you want? Yes very much so. It is not complicated by any means and likely Gizmo has or will post a video demo with the other things he is doing. For serious bowlers it is a great $200-250 investment along with the other ideas LGD as mentioned.

I will be trying LGD 3in1 cleaner here likely next week. If you have ever purchased something very "bowling specific" only to realize it looks and smells just like windex you may see how many of these items are just over priced relabeled materials from the every day world.

Same for many of the tools used in the proshop. You do not have to buy the hype to have it.