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Battling Urethane carrydown.
« on: November 08, 2019, 10:37:17 AM »
Bowling on typical house shot dry 8-gutter, have a youngster who thinks using urethane is fashionable. He plays straight up ten with little hand. The oil levels do not merit use of Urethane but have had bowlers complain about lack of ball motion down lane when vs. him. This is week #11 and this is the first we are bowling this team, looking to be ready to make right move.

What is the best way to combat oil carry down?   Up five staying in the dry or getting deep and crossing paths; any other suggestions welcome.

 

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Re: Battling Urethane carrydown.
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2019, 10:47:21 AM »
I still maintain if you are blaming the one guy on your pair throwing urethane for anything having to do with your bowling performance then you are a (edit: not super versatile to be polite) bowler in general.  Whole different situation than getting on a pair after a birthday party or something.  Just like with sandbagging people assume stuff that majority of the time isn't true when it comes to other bowlers.  Maybe its different for everyone but early friction is a lot more of a problem I deal with than carry down and do bowl against no thumbers throwing urethane (who usually I do great against especially when they don't carry after game 1 as said earlier in thread, and carry down they do create just delays transition for me).  Its people throwing SPEC balls (usually with surface) I have to watch for (though they generally suck after game 1 also).  Not saying carry down doesn't exist at all just that a whole lot of house hacks (doesn't include anyone in this thread though) can't tell difference between carry down and early friction (ie ball doesn't hook or over/under is always due to carry down) so it always urethane's fault.   Only ever use urethane myself in practice and as also said always seems like the carry down affects the person throwing urethane more than anyone else.  Still will completely defer to you veterans as far as carry down on sport patterns with urethane.   Not a hill going to die on.
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Re: Battling Urethane carrydown.
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2019, 01:20:31 PM »
Not sure I can add much more, other than to reiterate my agreement that urethane carrydown is less of an impact on transition than high rev guys blowing up the pattern with super aggressive shells.  Transitions are tough in todays environment.  Indeed, even demanding sport patterns would be much more playable were it not for transitions caused by all bowlers playing multiple angles with all different types of ewuipment

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Re: Battling Urethane carrydown.
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2019, 02:20:56 PM »
I still maintain if you are blaming the one guy on your pair throwing urethane for anything having to do with your bowling performance then you are a (edit: not super versatile to be polite) bowler in general.  Whole different situation than getting on a pair after a birthday party or something.  Just like with sandbagging people assume stuff that majority of the time isn't true when it comes to other bowlers.  Maybe its different for everyone but early friction is a lot more of a problem I deal with than carry down and do bowl against no thumbers throwing urethane (who usually I do great against especially when they don't carry after game 1 as said earlier in thread, and carry down they do create just delays transition for me).  Its people throwing SPEC balls (usually with surface) I have to watch for (though they generally suck after game 1 also).  Not saying carry down doesn't exist at all just that a whole lot of house hacks (doesn't include anyone in this thread though) can't tell difference between carry down and early friction (ie ball doesn't hook or over/under is always due to carry down) so it always urethane's fault.   Only ever use urethane myself in practice and as also said always seems like the carry down affects the person throwing urethane more than anyone else.  Still will completely defer to you veterans as far as carry down on sport patterns with urethane.   Not a hill going to die on.


Your SPEC comment is spot on.  My teammate has one  and when I stand directly behind him and watch the ball hitting the lane I swear I can see a puff of white smoke just like an airplane wheel hitting the runway.  Just like you said it's only good for game 1 but he loves the ball and keeps going back to it during the match.  Drives me crazy and I have to watch him like a hawk so I can stay away from him when he pulls out that SPEC ball.

As far as carry down is concerned, in game three and I nail the front 5 and then my ball starts to not make it to the pocket and leaving 2 pins I'm blaming the urethane guy.  Even if he isn't on my pair, he must have been there earlier in the day.  I'm your typical bowler, it can't possibly be my fault right??????????
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Re: Battling Urethane carrydown.
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2019, 03:56:52 PM »
I still maintain if you are blaming the one guy on your pair throwing urethane for anything having to do with your bowling performance then you are a (edit: not super versatile to be polite) bowler in general.  Whole different situation than getting on a pair after a birthday party or something.  Just like with sandbagging people assume stuff that majority of the time isn't true when it comes to other bowlers.  Maybe its different for everyone but early friction is a lot more of a problem I deal with than carry down and do bowl against no thumbers throwing urethane (who usually I do great against especially when they don't carry after game 1 as said earlier in thread, and carry down they do create just delays transition for me).  Its people throwing SPEC balls (usually with surface) I have to watch for (though they generally suck after game 1 also).  Not saying carry down doesn't exist at all just that a whole lot of house hacks (doesn't include anyone in this thread though) can't tell difference between carry down and early friction (ie ball doesn't hook or over/under is always due to carry down) so it always urethane's fault.   Only ever use urethane myself in practice and as also said always seems like the carry down affects the person throwing urethane more than anyone else.  Still will completely defer to you veterans as far as carry down on sport patterns with urethane.   Not a hill going to die on.


Your SPEC comment is spot on.  My teammate has one  and when I stand directly behind him and watch the ball hitting the lane I swear I can see a puff of white smoke just like an airplane wheel hitting the runway.  Just like you said it's only good for game 1 but he loves the ball and keeps going back to it during the match.  Drives me crazy and I have to watch him like a hawk so I can stay away from him when he pulls out that SPEC ball.

As far as carry down is concerned, in game three and I nail the front 5 and then my ball starts to not make it to the pocket and leaving 2 pins I'm blaming the urethane guy.  Even if he isn't on my pair, he must have been there earlier in the day.  I'm your typical bowler, it can't possibly be my fault right??????????

+1 :).  Yeah screw the urethane guy.  Can't believe I was defending that fool.  Always wrecking the shim.  Get him.  <Whistle as I walk away>
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Re: Battling Urethane carrydown.
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2019, 06:47:04 PM »
Before I switched to no-thumb bowling, didn't even believe carry down could be much of a problem. But then teaching myself to no-thumb with a non flaring Columbia scout showed me otherwise. Anyway, with my 380 rev rate and using primarily urethane, I have a lot of experience with factors that cause, or don't cause carry down.

If I'm by myself practicing on fresh oil, I see carry down in about 1 game. After 2 games, the lanes are no longer a house shot, and impossible.

If I use the same ball, in a tournament with 2 - 3 guys throwing reactive, and the pattern gets blown up by their equipment. Maybe I'm slowing down how much reactive is soaking up the oil. I have been learning than in tournament, I need to automatically move left when we switch pairs. But the point is, my ball is not reducing the backend enough to counter their reactive.

However, if you have 2 - 3 guys on a pair playing urethane, that would be an issue.

And I'll always say, what urethane matters. Some flare, some don't. Those that don't flare create carrydown very fast. Just a few frames.

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Re: Battling Urethane carrydown.
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2019, 08:04:56 AM »
I throw a 900 Global Special Ops which is 80% urethane 20% reactive. People seem to score just fine against me. One night I threw my Special Ops and the opposing team had one guy throwing a Special Ops and his teammate threw a Pitch Fever which is pearl urethane. Everyone was scoring fine.
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Re: Battling Urethane carrydown.
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2019, 10:03:01 AM »
I throw a 900 Global Special Ops which is 80% urethane 20% reactive. People seem to score just fine against me. One night I threw my Special Ops and the opposing team had one guy throwing a Special Ops and his teammate threw a Pitch Fever which is pearl urethane. Everyone was scoring fine.

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Re: Battling Urethane carrydown.
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2019, 12:24:04 PM »
I throw a 900 Global Special Ops which is 80% urethane 20% reactive. People seem to score just fine against me. One night I threw my Special Ops and the opposing team had one guy throwing a Special Ops and his teammate threw a Pitch Fever which is pearl urethane. Everyone was scoring fine.

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