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robuster

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Help!! rules question?
« on: December 17, 2010, 12:52:39 AM »
I have a problem on my wed. nite mens league. 4 man team,payout 1150 per man.I have a bowler who has lost his job, found another one on second shift in another town.He has kept up his dues and is even ahead two weeks. Good guy, did not want to leave the team on the hook.Very good bowler,225 average. He has told me and his team mates if they could find a bowler that they wanted to go ahead and replace him.Team has found a  bowler.The president of the league will not add this bowler to the roster till two weeks has passed even though the other bowler wants to quit.The team has to wait two weeks. Does not matter(according to the president) if the bowler has turned in his WRITTEN notice that he wants to quit.President says team will have to use  his blind for two weeks before adding a new bowler.I have bowled for twenty years never saw this before.I had all ways thought if a bowler wanted to resign you could replace him and add the new bowler without the two week waiting period. It appears both teams are fighting for first place. What is the CORRECT rule for replacing a bowler that has had to resign.If a bowler turns in his notice does the team still have to wait two weeks before replacing him.Thanks guys.
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Re: Help!! rules question?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2010, 09:05:32 AM »
Unless your league bylaws specifically address this issue, I've looked at the rulebook online at bowl.com and can't find anything to back up what your president says. Here's what I'm looking at: http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/rulebook/2010-2011RuleBook/114a._Procedure_for_Withdrawing.htm

Members of a league may withdraw from a league during a season. If a team or individual must withdraw, the following procedure is to be followed:
-Two weeks notice must be given along with sufficient cause for resigning.
-A team shall give notice to the league secretary.
A member resigning from a team shall give notice to the captain and the league secretary.
The resigning member(s) must pay league fees for two weeks if the bowler is not replaced within that period.


It sounds to me like the new bowler should be allowed to go ahead and start bowling immediately, which is exactly what has happened in every league I've ever bowled in where somebody had to quit and got replaced.

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Re: Help!! rules question?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010, 09:09:07 AM »
Can't you treat the new guy like a sub or 6th-7th man?
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Re: Help!! rules question?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2010, 09:19:17 AM »
what's the difference who bowls. as long as it's within league rules(team average) & it's being paid for. sounds like the president is threatened by this team(in the standings) or he doesn't know what he's doing. sounds like you guys did everything correct.

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Re: Help!! rules question?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2010, 09:50:08 AM »
Many leagues have a rule that a new bowler can't be added in the last three weeks of a half.  Could this be the case?  --  JohnP

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Re: Help!! rules question?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2010, 10:01:45 AM »
Fellows I agree with you. But still need a rule that says new bowler does not have to wait the two weeks before being added to roster after the old bowler has resigned.The president of this league has caused quite a bit of controversy for   years.His rep is him first, his team second, rules be damed.If his team is close to winning some team is going to get plastered (another word for screwed). Big fight on another league this year with the same guy. He did not even bowl in that league. His long time team mates do and like now were fighting for first place.I really need a rule in black and white that says the NEW bowler can bowl as soon as  old bowler resigns.You can only have 5  men on  the roster.The  fifth man on this teams roster can not bowl every week due to his health. There is a twenty pin rule(league rule)that only allows a sub to bowl if they are within the twenty pins of the bowler the sub is bowling for.The sub does not have to be on the teams roster. Now this guy is wanting to say if the sub averages over the twenty pins of the bowler he is subbing for he must be added to that teams roster with out either team or bowlers (sub) permission.
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Re: Help!! rules question?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2010, 03:25:21 PM »
I am not for sure what the rule number is but the rule states that the team captain has the right to remove any bowler on the team at any time. So the team captain should be allowed to remove the player and replace him with the new player.

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Re: Help!! rules question?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2010, 03:45:03 PM »
Plus according to rule 114 The resigning member(s) must pay league fees for two weeks if the bowler is not replaced within that period. So by that rule has long has you found a bowler that will take over instantly the person quitting does not even need to pay for 2 weeks. If the president has a problem have him contact USBC Headquarter Rule dept.

Here is another rule 104a Section 3.
104a. Team Captain's Authority

A team captain is a member of the league authorized to organize and enter a team in league play. The captain is the team representative and shall perform the following duties:

1.

Determine the members of the roster and be responsible for the eligibility of the team and its members under the rules of the league and USBC.
2.

Collect USBC, state and local association dues, where applicable, from each member of the team and remit such fees to the league secretary.
3.

Be responsible for the conduct and attendance of the team in league play. It is within the captain’s authority to permanently remove any player from the team. If requested, good and sufficient reason for the removal must be furnished to the board.
4.

Enter the lineup in the computer and/or on the recap sheet before the start of each scheduled series.
5.

Sign the scorebooks and have the scores verified by the opposing captain. (See Rule 116a regarding obvious errors.)
6.

Be responsible for the collection of league fees from each member of the team for remittance to the league treasurer.
7.

Pay each member of the team within 15 days after receiving prize money in accordance with verbal or written agreements. The league board shall decide a dispute over prize money distribution.

Youth leagues: The captain is elected by the team and only responsible for Items 5 and 6.

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Re: Help!! rules question?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2010, 03:59:59 PM »
Is there a USBC house rep. If so, go to him. You can also call your local USBC association and they should clarify the rules for your so-called president. If the president cannot show you in the league rules that the rule exists, then USBC rules revail. You win, he losses.
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Re: Help!! rules question?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2010, 04:29:46 PM »
OK, here you go.

 
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Rule 104a-line 3: Be responsible for the conduct and attendance of the team in league play. It is within the captain’s authority to permanently remove any player from the team. If requested, good and sufficient reason for the removal must be furnished to the board.


 So, as team caaptain, you can remove him from the roster for reasons of not being able to attend at the given time the league bowls.

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Rule 107c-line 9: A team must be allowed to add a replacement when its roster is less than the playing strength of the league.



 So, given that you can remove him from the roster for the valid reason of not being available to attend, and that you are only able to have five on the roster, when you dismiss him from the roster and fall below the mandatory number of five members, you MUST be allowed to add a replacement player.
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Re: Help!! rules question?
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2010, 04:30:05 PM »
Off topic - Why is this guy still the league president?

On topic - A lot of good rules have been provided that you can use as ammunition against him.  Give them to him and put the ball back in his court to provide a rule that counters yours (good luck on that one, he will have to override USBC).

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Re: Help!! rules question?
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2010, 05:00:15 PM »
Thanks,I think this will do.I have no idea why he was  voted in. Everyone for a 100 miles around knows what a sand bagger he is.Rerated anytime he goes to a         near-by tournament. A solid 230 to 240 bowler who averages 180 to 190 on league play.Pot bowled with some new(to this league) bowlers after league a couple of weeks ago 570 for set in league, 802 set after league. Very good bowler,knows the game well,I would not trust the guy to carry my equipment to the car.
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Re: Help!! rules question?
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2010, 03:35:41 PM »
On the how he gets re-elected. I am the secretary of our Classic league and have been for a long time. I would take bets that when the rules are approved someone says to leave the officers as they were the past year and league just says yes with no discussion. Most people do not want the president or secretary jobs. The president is now responsible for the money and if it gets jacked up, he looses his card first, even before the secretary. I recommend if you bowl this league next year get involved in that league meeting and try to get him voted out. As stated clearly above, no way he has this authority. IF they got something like that in the rules, make sure it gets removed next year.