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BrianCRX90

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PBA X league day 1
« on: June 08, 2010, 08:59:07 AM »
last night finally my first experience in this league. Played these shots many times on the practice session at this house which is held the last 10 pairs of the alley and if one is open and available to bowl on.

I practiced Chameleon and was the same shot in league. I couldn't get the ball right to save my life most of the time and even then which I thought the break was about the 8 board if I got it right then that I left a light pocket split or washout or one shot in the channel. Never really got easy spares to shoot at when I missed. My slide leg was hurting from all the bowling I did on the weeked and was difficult to get leverage and speed. Every time I moved left it still hooked brooklyn. I ended up moving to 40 around the 5th arrow to the 10 board and finnally got a good reaction at the end. But that was after shooting 160's my first 3 games.
How do you play this shot? Is it speed sensitive to where you need higher speed? I saw other guys that got it to the pocket with higher revs but but had higher ball speed then me also.

 

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Re: PBA X league day 1
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2010, 07:51:06 PM »
I pretty much played 12-15 at the arrows to 8/9 at the break point with an Absolute Inferno.  Small moves in as the heads dried up a bit.  You just have to trust it a little.  I could miss a touch right and get some recovery, but missing in was a no-no.
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Re: PBA X league day 1
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2010, 08:19:41 PM »
Sounds more like the ball you was using.  I have found from over time that ball choice on these patterns for me is about 75% of the battle.  If you have the wrong ball in your hand this pattern (and the rest) will play a lot hard, even impossible.  Depending on if I''m on wood or synthetic I''ll play anywhere from 6-7 at the arrows all the way to 20-25 out to 9-10.  There is no set place to play but you want to keep your breakpoint inside 5, sometimes even 10.  On wood lanes I''ll start with a Hyroad playing around 13-15 out to 6-8.  On synthetic I''ll use a Virtual Gravity with weaker drilling and play a little straighter with less side roll, and switch to a Virtual Energy or along those lines as they breakdown.  The biggest thing I see from amature''s on these patterns is using balls with too much skid/flip.  But to answer your question all these patterns are speed sensitive, and you don''t really have to have a high ball speed/rev rate to score well, just the right ball and line.
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last night finally my first experience in this league. Played these shots many times on the practice session at this house which is held the last 10 pairs of the alley and if one is open and available to bowl on.

I practiced Chameleon and was the same shot in league. I couldn''t get the ball right to save my life most of the time and even then which I thought the break was about the 8 board if I got it right then that I left a light pocket split or washout or one shot in the channel. Never really got easy spares to shoot at when I missed. My slide leg was hurting from all the bowling I did on the weeked and was difficult to get leverage and speed. Every time I moved left it still hooked brooklyn. I ended up moving to 40 around the 5th arrow to the 10 board and finnally got a good reaction at the end. But that was after shooting 160''s my first 3 games.
How do you play this shot? Is it speed sensitive to where you need higher speed? I saw other guys that got it to the pocket with higher revs but but had higher ball speed then me also.

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Re: PBA X league day 1
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2010, 08:42:54 PM »
Brian,

I was talking to a fairly well known PBA senior last week about the patterns because I was looking for a ball for the Cheetah pattern for a friend. He said that all of them except the Shark play better and safer, as straight as possible up the boards, at least for the first 2-4 games, depending on the number of players per lane. I assume that implies that different patterns need different strength balls because they are different volumes and lengths.

I subbed 2 weeks ago on the Viper and I can guarantee that you did need to play it straight, whether you played up the 2 board or up the 9 board (on synthetic lanes). Any swing or any higher than normal ball speed hit light and left ugliness: 2/4/8/10, 2/4/5/7/8, or washouts.
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Re: PBA X league day 1
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2010, 09:01:49 PM »
Charlest,

I would note that at the end of the season when they did the multi-pattern USBC special this seemed to be the same approach that the exempt pro's took jumping from pattern to pattern.

Obviously we never get to see this part of the tournament, and it is often the most valuable thing you can take away from a professional tournament.

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Re: PBA X league day 1
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2010, 12:18:13 AM »
Any time I've bowled on Chameleon, missing inside = death.

Like the OP, I had trouble getting the ball to swing before it hit friction. Chameleon, in my experience, has the most backend of any pattern, regardless of shape or volume, I've ever played in the resin era. And I was on brand-new AnviLane when I played it.

I found my best success either with something weak with the surface knocked off it (i.e., take the weak pearl of your choice and take the sheen off), or get something fairly aggressive, turn up the speed and play as direct as you can and let the ball cover up mistakes made to toward the gutter.

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Re: PBA X league day 1
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2010, 07:57:21 AM »
Our Chameleon has been playing VERY similar to the Viper we just bowled on. I have been using same line and same ball. Pin under bridge AMF Clutch with a heavy polish. The only line that worked great for me last night was deep inside 20 out to about 7 and My shot was money for two games, both 190's, the clutch was strong enough to recover outside and the pin down smoothed it out on slight inside pulls.

I will say once that line went for me start of thrid game, I mean it WENT. Proceeded to be an idiot and keep rying to make it work, which resulted in way to many light wshout 2-10 combo splits, along with some horrible spare shooting leaving me with a whopping 106, to not even break 500. Lets just say i was not a happy camper with myself the rest of the night.

I felt this pattern though at this house was way to similar to the Viper we just got dwon throwing on.
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Re: PBA X league day 1
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2010, 06:16:11 PM »
I bowled on the Chameleon for the 1st 3 weeks. I played the pattern 15-9 with my Polished Gravity Shift. Missed right and the ball said bye bye, missed left and you can either nose it, hit brooklyn, or completely miss the 1-2 pocket. (im a righty). This pattern is speed sensitive and it is also rev sensitive. This pattern forces you to make quality shots, if you don't do that then you might as well start working on spare shooting.

All of these patterns play different from house to house and lane to lane.
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BrianCRX90

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Re: PBA X league day 1
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2010, 09:04:38 AM »
Thanks for the input.I do think my speed was slower then it should have and was a problem. I tried going direct with my slower speed and I couldn't believe how much it was hooking to a point if I got it past 8 didn't do much at all. Like a late night league shot at this house I found I had to make 5 board adjustments but knowing when to adjust without the obvious sign of a split was difficult. Equipment was probably too agressive also which didn't help. Like BrunsMike...I have a polished Gravity Shift and may need to bring it to this league. I have a much weaker ball then that in my bag and didn't even try it and should have.

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Re: PBA X league day 1
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2010, 10:00:29 AM »
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Charlest,

I would note that at the end of the season when they did the multi-pattern USBC special this seemed to be the same approach that the exempt pro's took jumping from pattern to pattern.

Obviously we never get to see this part of the tournament, and it is often the most valuable thing you can take away from a professional tournament.


Mr. Perfect.

I agree. While many of these PBA patterns can be very difficult, right out of the chute, the transition can be evern harder. This seems to make sport bowling an entirely different "animal" from the "game" of bowling.

When I subbed 2 weeks ago, we had 2 people per lane and shifted pairs after each game. By the time we were in the 5th game, some people were playing their house shot (stand left, throw right) but had the same results as they did during game one - extreme inconsistency. You either threw it firmer, staying where you were or you switched to the same type of of ball reaction but used a ball that handled slightly less oil.

Real PBA patterns require PBA-type consistency of ball speed and release. Few house bowlers have that, including yours truly.
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Re: PBA X league day 1
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2010, 10:19:50 AM »
Chameleon for me has always been the toughest PBA pattern for me. I often struggle on the transition of this pattern, because like others have said it forces the majority of players to use straighter angles through the fronts.

One thing no one has mentioned, that normally affects me at my center is carrydown with this pattern. With my higher rev rate, i usually start around 15-20 at the arrows, but the surface at my center carries down badly if too many people pile up in one area. So i get a strong look for about a game, game and a half then its like all of a sudden the ball starts fading in that area. What makes this tough is the fact like others have said is the friction in the middle of the pattern.

I typically wont use pearls to start off with, i opt for mid range balls with surface, typically my trusty Storm Diablo.
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