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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: bonez44s on July 19, 2019, 03:23:01 PM
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After watching the PBA Team event last night I'm thinking if you buy Storm's latest Belmo ball Pro? Motion, you may want to invest in a good spare ball. NOT A GOOD SHOWING
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Eh, is it really enough sample size to give an honest assessment?
While those guys are the best in the world, we've only seen it really on one lane condition, on one surface in one house.
I thought the ball motion was fine. Carry looked a tad tough for a lot of players throwing a variety of equipment..
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That ball got 9 when a lot of other balls were getting 7. Im not sure about you, Id rather take my chances on single pins than 2-8-10s anyday.
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That ball got 9 when a lot of other balls were getting 7. Im not sure about you, Id rather take my chances on single pins than 2-8-10s anyday.
I only got to watch the 5 minute highlight videos for each match on a smart phone. What other balls were you seeing out there? Like ones that at least two guys were throwing.
I remember the Pro Motion, Phaze 2, and the Futura, but couldn't really make out a lot of the other balls.
EDIT: I also remember seeing a few IQ Emeralds, the Big Nasty was making it look sweet.
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Agree but I'm thinking there is plenty of house shot balls around. If you are going put the word Pro on a ball it better be something different then a house shot killer. Phaze 2 looked a lot better
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Seems like an awfully strong ball for most pros on most conditions so maybe not the best way to see how it would look in your hands. But yeah pro in the name makes it fair game I guess.
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It's a ball reaction I've never seen before…….. Wait it's not. It's nothing new just like the next release to replace it.
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Agree but I'm thinking there is plenty of house shot balls around. If you are going put the word Pro on a ball it better be something different then a house shot killer. Phaze 2 looked a lot better
Tour, Pro are buzz words associated with control in bowling now. Not necessarily the shape you want when they are easier.
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Personally, I was having a bit of trouble guaranteeing when I saw a PROmotion or something else that I think had to be the Idol Pro. PRO you could see the silver lettering (if they happen to show it). I'm sure the others were Roto Grip and not purple, not Idol Pearl, had to be Idol Pro, right? and NONE of it jumped out wearing an OMG label. Phaze II stood it's ground with all of them.
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Stu and Belmo threw the pro motion all the way through the finals. Both carried better than most. Phase 2s did look pretty good and at least 3 or 4 guys used them. Emerald Pearl was also used by Duke, and some by Wes. Carry was pretty brutal for a lot of guys in tne finals. Motiv probably wished Dick Allen would have put tape over the logo on his shirt
He started with what appeared to be the Covert tank, the new urethane like ball, switched multiple times over the 3 days, and carried about as bad as I have ever seen.
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Stu and Belmo threw to pro motion all the way through the finals. Both carried better than most. Phase 2s did look pretty good and at least 3 or 4 guys used them. Emerald Pearl was also used by Duke, and some by Wes. Carry was pretty brutal for a lot of guys in tne finals. Motiv probably wished Dick Allen would have put tape over the logo on his shirt
He started with what appeared to be the Covert tank, the new urethane like ball, switched multiple times over the 3 days, and carried about as bad as I have ever seen
Meanwhile, Ciminelli was a stud with the Covert Tank.
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Stu and Belmo threw to pro motion all the way through the finals. Both carried better than most. Phase 2s did look pretty good and at least 3 or 4 guys used them. Emerald Pearl was also used by Duke, and some by Wes. Carry was pretty brutal for a lot of guys in tne finals. Motiv probably wished Dick Allen would have put tape over the logo on his shirt
He started with what appeared to be the Covert tank, the new urethane like ball, switched multiple times over the 3 days, and carried about as bad as I have ever seen
Meanwhile, Ciminelli was a stud with the Covert Tank.
Big difference there lol
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Stu and Belmo threw to pro motion all the way through the finals. Both carried better than most. Phase 2s did look pretty good and at least 3 or 4 guys used them. Emerald Pearl was also used by Duke, and some by Wes. Carry was pretty brutal for a lot of guys in tne finals. Motiv probably wished Dick Allen would have put tape over the logo on his shirt
He started with what appeared to be the Covert tank, the new urethane like ball, switched multiple times over the 3 days, and carried about as bad as I have ever seen
Meanwhile, Ciminelli was a stud with the Covert Tank.
Big difference there lol
100% correct. Dick seemed to struggle in general.
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Shot to the pocket was pretty easy until guys started chopping it up everywhere from 10 to 20
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Stu and Belmo threw the pro motion all the way through the finals. Both carried better than most. Phase 2s did look pretty good and at least 3 or 4 guys used them. Emerald Pearl was also used by Duke, and some by Wes. Carry was pretty brutal for a lot of guys in tne finals. Motiv probably wished Dick Allen would have put tape over the logo on his shirt
He started with what appeared to be the Covert tank, the new urethane like ball, switched multiple times over the 3 days, and carried about as bad as I have ever seen.
No one is talking about this. Idk what Allen was throwing, whatever it was it hit like a pair of soggy panties.
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Looked like Allen finished with Golden Jackal. He finally carried one, but left at least 6 corners with 3 different balls.
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With all the ball choices currently available, I never thought that any of the three Belmo balls from a guy who throws two handed from the far left at over 600+ revs would be the best ball choice for my game. Your mileage may vary.
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+14,000 to bowlaholic.... Seriously. If it does, it'll be an accident.
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The problem is going by anything that a guy with Belmo's rev shows. Over time I have seen him throw Hyroads, Phase 2, and other balls that had broad appeal. Likewise the Timeless was junk for most people, but You dont see Belmo throwing it anymore either. My guess is that the pro motion will be a popular ball because it appears you can hook the lane with it, and that is what a lot of guys want. Stu made it look pretty good for most of the finals.
Personally I go by what looks good in the hands of WRW or Duke. They are both in the low 300 rev rates.
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I don't get how people don't see this ball as an IQ Tour for modern conditions. I think too many people are blinded by the previous two. But yet again, all I have to say is Phaze 2...
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I don't get how people don't see this ball as an IQ Tour for modern conditions. I think too many people are blinded by the previous two. But yet again, all I have to say is Phaze 2...
Its a modern day IQ from I see. That ball is slowly fading away.
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+14,000 to bowlaholic.... Seriously. If it does, it'll be an accident.
Ding ding ding!!!
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I don't get how people don't see this ball as an IQ Tour for modern conditions. I think too many people are blinded by the previous two. But yet again, all I have to say is Phaze 2...
Its a modern day IQ from I see. That ball is slowly fading away.
...I really hate when people make this statement. Even though it is from the modern era, and still in production, people still say this frequently. The IQ is the modern day IQ.
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I don't get how people don't see this ball as an IQ Tour for modern conditions. I think too many people are blinded by the previous two. But yet again, all I have to say is Phaze 2...
Its a modern day IQ from I see. That ball is slowly fading away.
...I really hate when people make this statement. Even though it is from the modern era, and still in production, people still say this frequently. The IQ is the modern day IQ.
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I don't get how people don't see this ball as an IQ Tour for modern conditions. I think too many people are blinded by the previous two. But yet again, all I have to say is Phaze 2...
Its a modern day IQ from I see. That ball is slowly fading away.
...I really hate when people make this statement. Even though it is from the modern era, and still in production, people still say this frequently. The IQ is the modern day IQ.
Lol
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I don't get how people don't see this ball as an IQ Tour for modern conditions. I think too many people are blinded by the previous two. But yet again, all I have to say is Phaze 2...
i don't think modern is the word you are looking for,
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First and foremost anyone throwing a pro motion on a house shot is more than likely foolish. Maybe will work for some people but for the majority it won’t. It is a stronger version of the iq tour which will be obsolete before too long. and will be a very good flatter pattern ball.
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This ball reminds me of my Hyroad X when I put 2000 on it.
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I don't get how people don't see this ball as an IQ Tour for modern conditions. I think too many people are blinded by the previous two. But yet again, all I have to say is Phaze 2...
Its a modern day IQ from I see. That ball is slowly fading away.
Maybe where you bowl, it is! It's still going strong on the east Coast! I know countless people who own an IQ, an IQ Tour or that golden IQ!!
These are niche balls that always come in handy at tournaments! They will never go out of style!
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I don't get how people don't see this ball as an IQ Tour for modern conditions. I think too many people are blinded by the previous two. But yet again, all I have to say is Phaze 2...
Its a modern day IQ from I see. That ball is slowly fading away.
Maybe where you bowl, it is! It's still going strong on the east Coast! I know countless people who own an IQ, an IQ Tour or that golden IQ!!
These are niche balls that always come in handy at tournaments! They will never go out of style!
Obviously the IQ Tour is still used in a lot of places on a variety of conditions. My point is that it doesn't handle oil the same way and most environments are using tthicker and more volumes than when the ball was introduced. The Pro Motion offers a similar shape with the ability to handle the conditions scene nowadays.
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Where are these?...…. "most environments are using thicker and more volumes than when the ball was introduced".
I bowl at two houses in my home area and travel in a monthly tournament league that covers eight additional centers. I have yet to find the type or volume of oil mentioned.
That's why I have so many medium to heavy oil balls sitting in my ball rack collecting dust.
Wish I could find the conditions quoted, it would be a fun change.
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Where are these?...…. "most environments are using thicker and more volumes than when the ball was introduced".
I bowl at two houses in my home area and travel in a monthly tournament league that covers eight additional centers. I have yet to find the type or volume of oil mentioned.
That's why I have so many medium to heavy oil balls sitting in my ball rack collecting dust.
Wish I could find the conditions quoted, it would be a fun change.
Simple answer - stop bowling on house shots only. Find a sport shot where the ratio is 3:1 or less - your high price toys would have a use then.
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I agree, but none of the centers put out a sport shot or a PBA Experience shot.
One center did do the PBA Experience league two years ago of which I participated. It was not renewed due to lack of participants the following year. That was the last time my heavy duty gems saw action.
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Where are these?...…. "most environments are using thicker and more volumes than when the ball was introduced".
I bowl at two houses in my home area and travel in a monthly tournament league that covers eight additional centers. I have yet to find the type or volume of oil mentioned.
That's why I have so many medium to heavy oil balls sitting in my ball rack collecting dust.
Wish I could find the conditions quoted, it would be a fun change.
I must clarify. I'm surrounded by a variety of sport shot opportunities. There are sweepers, King of the Hills, sport shot leagues, some willing centers that offer sport shot practice, etc. Some centers also have floods in the middle, so the bigger balls blend the reaction better. IQ Tour has basically become a transition ball (burn ball even for some if they still use it) on most of this. I see a lot of Idols, Phaze 2, Crux Prime, Halo, and Super Son!Q on the Storm side.
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It's threads like these that make me wish I was unaffiliated so I could respond without being accused of being biased . . an awful lot of people going awfully far out of their way to hate on something just for the sake of hating on it. If the argument made sense, I could buy it, but come on . .
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Luke everyone likes to hear your opinion even if it's bias because your a storm staffer. That should not matter. Please tell us all we didn't see what we seen. 10 pin 10 pin 10 pin etc.
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It's threads like these that make me wish I was unaffiliated so I could respond without being accused of being biased . . an awful lot of people going awfully far out of their way to hate on something just for the sake of hating on it. If the argument made sense, I could buy it, but come on . .
Most of the hate I think is due to the first two Belmo signature balls being perceived by many as turds. I do take your word third time's the charm and this ball is going to be something special. Still once bitten and all that on people not jumping on the hype train right away. This will be ball that perhaps gets people to forget. Storm did put that line in a bit of hole to start (perception wise anyway). May get someday but need to get off house shot before ready for another hook in the box.
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Well said BowlingforDonuts. First couple were duds. I'm hoping this ball is everything it's suppose to be. Having Belmo's name on it will hurt more than help Storm because 95% percent bowlers bowl with one hand. People have this thing when they see his name on a ball it was built for 2 handed high rev players and that's not good when you see 90% of players on tour playing more of a tweener style.
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Thanks I think lol . . but I'm going to echo Northface. Stu was 8 for 8 with it to start, Belmo got most of his, and literally everyone else had significant carry issues in addition to getting to the pocket issues. Wrapping some 10s was better than what happened to literally everyone else but Wes, so I came away pretty impressed. I'm looking more for ball motion because carry is more conditional and situational, plus there's a huge difference between dynamic motion on the backend and wrap 10s vs slow reaction and flat hits with deflection. A lot of those hard wrap 10s continued through the pocket and I was actually pretty impressed that a ball that smooth would play that well from that much angle and still drive. Even a Phaze 2 gets iffy from those kinds of angles, and it's maybe the most versatile ball I've ever thrown outside of the Pro Motion. I just think you're going to continue to see them everywhere and they're going to look good. I thought the Idol Pro looked pretty good too even though it didn't strike much either. It's just that given the benchmark of reaction and carry from everyone else bowling, I thought the Pro Motion looked as good if not better than anything else, and in a higher scoring or better carrying situation, I think it'll show there too.
Luke everyone likes to hear your opinion even if it's bias because your a storm staffer. That should not matter. Please tell us all we didn't see what we seen. 10 pin 10 pin 10 pin etc.