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Title: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: leftybowler70 on September 09, 2017, 01:03:58 PM
As we are know, there is no clear cut answer to thus question    ( Too many variables, factors, etc)    But just like a bowling ball that you start a game with and can get a idea to either ball up or down, if you are had to figure, what surface Grit would be a good starting point to use?

Again, that's including all factors of length of pattern, amount of oil, etc ; My guess would be 2000.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: SVstar34 on September 09, 2017, 02:19:57 PM
I like using a 500/3000 surface.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: charlest on September 09, 2017, 06:46:50 PM
Since it depends on both the bowler's release and the ball, a benchmark grit can be anywhere from 1000 grit to polish.

Mine happens to be 4000 grit, mostly due to my slower ball speed.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: ignitebowling on September 09, 2017, 07:27:31 PM
2000 or 500/2000 depending on the ball.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: Aloarjr810 on September 09, 2017, 07:38:41 PM
The general rule of thumb was that a balls surface would wind up about a 600 US grit surface do to lane wear, if you never polished or sanded it.

Now this was more when it was mostly wood lanes, because they have a lot more texture than synthetics.

I believe this has now changed to about 800 grit (which is about a P1500). Do to the synthetic lane surfaces and the change of coverstock materials, oils etc.

So a 2000 grit abralon would probably be okay for a general "benchmark grit"
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: HackJandy on September 09, 2017, 07:49:15 PM
The general rule of thumb was that a balls surface would wind up about a 600 US grit surface do to lane wear, if you never polished or sanded it.

Now this was more when it was mostly wood lanes, because they have a lot more texture than synthetics.

I believe this has now changed to about 800 grit (which is about a P1500). Do to the synthetic lane surfaces and the change of coverstock materials, oils etc.

So a 2000 grit abralon would probably be okay for a general "benchmark grit"

Pretty sure balls actually go to between 3000 and 4000 grit Abralon effective surface (edit:  actually higher according to link below) in 5 games or less especially sans polish on modern lanes.  3000 grit unpolished is what I keep both my benchmark Hy-Road at and my Scandal Pearl transition ball as well.  That way with my style I get the strong backend but it also reads the midlane fairly well.   Plus less maintenance.

http://www.ballreviews.com/coverstock-preparation/awesome-video-showing-how-much-a-ball-changes-in-three-games-t289256.0.html
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: leftybowler70 on September 09, 2017, 08:37:25 PM
The general rule of thumb was that a balls surface would wind up about a 600 US grit surface do to lane wear, if you never polished or sanded it.

Now this was more when it was mostly wood lanes, because they have a lot more texture than synthetics.

I believe this has now changed to about 800 grit (which is about a P1500). Do to the synthetic lane surfaces and the change of coverstock materials, oils etc.

So a 2000 grit abralon would probably be okay for a general "benchmark grit"

Exactly what was my finding when I originally started this post.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: CoorZero on September 09, 2017, 10:53:57 PM
I like using 1500/2500 with the grey and gold(ish) Mirka pads in a Sandbagger for my benchmark. Seems to be a pretty good medium given that method of surface maintenance.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: Good Times Good Times on September 10, 2017, 04:08:40 PM
I like a used 2000 pad overall but I'm using 3000 on my Rocket Ship in league and 2000 polished with xTra Shine on my Hectic when I need some more length. 
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: BallReviews-Removed0385 on September 10, 2017, 06:57:11 PM

On the fresh THS I prefer 500/2000 due to the versatility I seem to get.  On flat patterns it's closer to 1000. 
My Tuesday league is a 2nd shift so it's almost always something polished and then going to weaker reaction stuff as the night progresses.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: HankScorpio on September 11, 2017, 07:20:18 AM
500/2000 on sport

4000 or polished on THS, depending on the house/shift.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: psycaz on September 11, 2017, 08:21:47 AM
I prefer 2000. Nice and simple to touch up during practice if I'm not happy with the reaction I'm seeing due to a touch of lane shine.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: LookingForALeftyWall on September 11, 2017, 08:47:10 AM
2000 is my benchmark grit.

However, as a rev challenged lefty always looking for friction on sport shots, I have gravitated towards 500 for patterns with heavier volumes.  However, time and time again I find that I have more success with equipment at 2000 grit.   

For THS, I use mostly polished equipment - plenty of free friction, even on the left.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: leftybowler70 on September 11, 2017, 10:09:56 AM
Again, 2000 just seems to be more predictable when looking for that consistent reaction; early enough, but not too much where it burns most of its energy the first 35/40 feet of the lane.

But also doesn't overly push nearly far down where it's over /under i.e 4000.

Clearly tells you when to go to a earlier grit, or a smoother one, which is the basis of a benchmark.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: leftybowler70 on September 11, 2017, 10:11:17 AM
1000 reads wayy too early, while 4000 pushes past the breakpoint due to too much length (over under).
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: HackJandy on September 11, 2017, 10:47:34 AM
For your style and mine as well but I guess if you are a cranker trying to use a Scandal as your benchmark ball (insane but do see it) you probably do need 4000 and or polish for it.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: leftybowler70 on September 11, 2017, 11:35:28 AM
I agree, but I was speaking in general is all no matter what; There are always going to be exceptions, but just in general is all I was pointing out.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: Brandon Riley on September 12, 2017, 01:41:37 PM
Purely depends on who you are, the lane surface and the patterns you expect to see.
I carry a lot of balls around 3k because I don't throw the ball all that hard but will prep a rougher surface for when I see sport or something shorter.
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: Juggernaut on September 12, 2017, 02:05:22 PM
 Depends what ball you're starting with to a degree, wouldn't it?

 Take two balls, drilled the same, with the same core, one with a "strong" cover, and one with a "weak" cover.  Put a 1000 grit surface on them.

 It will change the "strong" covered ball more than it will the "weak" covered one, doesn't it?

 Is it logical to think this? Is it like a linear progression?

 Take the numbers 9 and 10. Not that far apart, but square them, and you get 81 and 100.

 Cubed, you get 729 and 1000. If you change them at equal ratios, they get further apart.

 If you change the cover stocks at equal ratios, wouldn't the strong just get that much stronger?

 I don't really know, but that popped into my mind when I was reading this thread.

 Anybody know for sure?
Title: Re: Benchmark Grit?
Post by: HackJandy on September 12, 2017, 03:05:59 PM
Purely depends on who you are, the lane surface and the patterns you expect to see.
I carry a lot of balls around 3k because I don't throw the ball all that hard but will prep a rougher surface for when I see sport or something shorter.

^^^ this.  Balls by default spike to 3000+ effectively anyway after a small number of games so its also lower maintenance in general.  Moar surface as people joke on here is often not the answer and even when it is on say a pearl people keep it polished at 4000 grit because its a pearl.