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Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« on: September 15, 2014, 12:39:26 PM »
Recently went to a new ball driller who informed me my thumb whole was too large and it was causing me to squeeze the ball so I have a new thumb hole much tighter and I really need to focus on relaxing my hand or my thumb will stick.  I've gotten better at relaxing my hand and was wondering what kind of negative effect bending my thumb and squeezing was causing.

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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 12:47:05 PM »
Squeezing will always cause a muscled swing, which will never be the same 1 time to the next, it will tire you out, cause blisters and callouses, and tire you out much quicker. You can not squeeze the ball and have a free armswing. Not squeezing will allow you to repeat shots and have a free swing, which will in turn result in better ball roll and pin carry.

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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2014, 12:54:05 PM »
The first negative effect to show up is usually pulling the shot.
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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2014, 12:57:10 PM »
Pulling shot makes sense, I always thought I was pulling it because of timing and would slow my feet or speed them up trying to fix it.


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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2014, 03:28:44 PM »
Squeezing will always cause a muscled swing, which will never be the same 1 time to the next, it will tire you out, cause blisters and callouses, and tire you out much quicker. You can not squeeze the ball and have a free armswing. Not squeezing will allow you to repeat shots and have a free swing, which will in turn result in better ball roll and pin carry.

Doom and Milo have covered it. Also, I have found that squeezing causes the ball to track over the thumb hole.
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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2014, 04:36:38 PM »
I noticed reduced ball speed back when I used to grab along with elbow/forearm pain

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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2014, 12:00:47 PM »
How does one determine proper thumb hole size and pitches?

How does beveling play into this discussion?

How do you adjust to a tighter thumb hole and maybe less reverse pitch?

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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2014, 12:30:49 PM »
Simple answers, sometimes difficult execution.  Proper thumbhole size is when you can insert your thumb STRAIGHT and withdraw it straight.  You want a bit of drag all the way around, because when you squeeze (you still have to squeeze slightly to hold onto the ball, you won't ever be able to completely relax your hand) you compress your thumb slightly.  You don't want extra room, that will cause you to grip, and if it's too tight it just won't come out . .  However, drilling a hole a bit size or two larger than what you need allows you to add tape which will both eliminate any kind of vacuum created by a thumbhole that fits TOO well, and give you something to hang onto, which reduces required grip pressure.  Pitches, or angles are more a comfort thing, you want to angle so that it's comfortable and fits the way your hand naturally wants to sit so that you can hang onto the ball with the minimum amount of pressure possible.  This is a bit of trial and error sometimes. 

If you have a proper fit, you won't want much bevel.  Bevel allows your thumb to move out of position above the thumbhole and can contribute to gripping/sticking.  Most people need bevel because of how they grip the ball.  When you bend your thumb and/or have a long span, the edge of the thumbhole is going to hit you hard.  If you keep your thumb straight and have a proper span, you almost enjoy not having bevel, it's actually an aid.  You don't want to cut yourself of course, so you might hit it slightly coming off the press, but not much. 

Adjusting to a tighter thumbhole and less pitch or angle can be rough if you're used to gripping . . BUT, if you pair that with fixing your entire fit at the same time, it will actually feel more natural and it might be a lot easier than you think it will be. 

How does one determine proper thumb hole size and pitches?

How does beveling play into this discussion?

How do you adjust to a tighter thumb hole and maybe less reverse pitch?

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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2014, 07:58:28 PM »
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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2014, 10:16:42 PM »
I have what I feel is a really lose arm swing, yet I grip the ball. If I don't grip it, I feel like I am going to lose the ball.  If I switch to a thumb size that I know I won't lose the ball, my thumb hangs and I tug the shot badly. Any tips? Or do I need to post a video? And if I remember correctly,  I also get all speed and no hand if I try to relax my thumb because it comes off my hand so early.

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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2014, 02:05:07 AM »
I have what I feel is a really lose arm swing, yet I grip the ball. If I don't grip it, I feel like I am going to lose the ball.  If I switch to a thumb size that I know I won't lose the ball, my thumb hangs and I tug the shot badly. Any tips? Or do I need to post a video? And if I remember correctly,  I also get all speed and no hand if I try to relax my thumb because it comes off my hand so early.

Do you use tape?  Check out these articles and see if they help:

http://bowl4fun.com/ron/btm04_files/btm4.htm

http://www.itbca.bowlingknowledge.info/index.php/2013-fall/95-tiered-taping-a-process-to--grip-pressure-and-improve-swing-release

http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/article/tiered-taping/

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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2014, 02:49:36 PM »
Lots of issues with over gripping.  In addition to those mentioned, you lose a lot of revs.  Modern effective release calls for a very relaxed grip.

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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2014, 11:43:13 PM »
Simple answers, sometimes difficult execution.  Proper thumbhole size is when you can insert your thumb STRAIGHT and withdraw it straight.  You want a bit of drag all the way around, because when you squeeze (you still have to squeeze slightly to hold onto the ball, you won't ever be able to completely relax your hand) you compress your thumb slightly.  You don't want extra room, that will cause you to grip, and if it's too tight it just won't come out . .  However, drilling a hole a bit size or two larger than what you need allows you to add tape which will both eliminate any kind of vacuum created by a thumbhole that fits TOO well, and give you something to hang onto, which reduces required grip pressure.  Pitches, or angles are more a comfort thing, you want to angle so that it's comfortable and fits the way your hand naturally wants to sit so that you can hang onto the ball with the minimum amount of pressure possible.  This is a bit of trial and error sometimes. 

If you have a proper fit, you won't want much bevel.  Bevel allows your thumb to move out of position above the thumbhole and can contribute to gripping/sticking.  Most people need bevel because of how they grip the ball.  When you bend your thumb and/or have a long span, the edge of the thumbhole is going to hit you hard.  If you keep your thumb straight and have a proper span, you almost enjoy not having bevel, it's actually an aid.  You don't want to cut yourself of course, so you might hit it slightly coming off the press, but not much. 

Adjusting to a tighter thumbhole and less pitch or angle can be rough if you're used to gripping . . BUT, if you pair that with fixing your entire fit at the same time, it will actually feel more natural and it might be a lot easier than you think it will be. 

How does one determine proper thumb hole size and pitches?

How does beveling play into this discussion?

How do you adjust to a tighter thumb hole and maybe less reverse pitch?

Thank You...

Very informative indeed, thank you!

When you suggest the "need for drag all the way around", are you recommending the use of tape on both the front and back of the thumb?

How much reverse pitch would you suggest I start at for a 5.25" relaxed finger-tip? Currently, I'm at 1/4" reverse, but I believe I could do with less.
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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2014, 02:11:33 AM »
I been using tiered tape for about a year now and absolutely love it.

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Re: Bending Thumb and sqeezing the ball
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2014, 08:17:27 AM »
There is NO such thing as a relaxed finger tip...there is a properly fit span
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