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Ragnar

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Could use some advice
« on: September 22, 2014, 11:46:53 AM »
I'm going to bowl a tournament Sunday on older wood lanes with a reverse block.  I'm told oil from about 9 board out, dry in.  Any advice on how and with what I should play this?  I'm higher rev, higher speed, low track if it helps.  I can vary my track somewhat.
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Re: Could use some advice
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2014, 12:08:52 PM »
I'm sure lots of people can give you suggestions, but I have seen this many times.  One critical aspect will be if the outside is playable at all.  Many tournaments make the reverse pretty much unplayable.  I've seen guys with charcoal bowling balls and all the hand in the world, try to play straight down the outside, and barely see the ball wiggle.

If you can play REALLY deep, like last arrow, you can play the reverse into the middle, but most of us aren't that good at lofting the gutter cap for a whole block.

The most successful people, play in the middle, with speed, and a small arc to the pocket.  Hope for carry and make your spares.  This is one of the most difficult shots to play on, so scores will be low.  If you can stay around the pocket and make spares, you can cash.

My 2 cents.

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Re: Could use some advice
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2014, 12:26:31 PM »
I am guessing the shot "appears" to be a reverse block.  A flat shot (even oil across the entire lane) can appear to be a reverse block.  If it is an actual reverse block, I wouldn't waste my time with the tournament.

But if you decide to bowl, and it is a reverse block, then dR3w's comments about playing super deep would be my suggestion.  Just realize you might need a stronger ball than one might think.  Just look back to when bowlers like Belmo move super deep, they are throwing very strong asymmetrical pearls (Critical Theory).

If the shot is actually a flat shot, then you will need more information than pattern shape to  make a guess (volume and length).  But typically using control pieces early on and making moves earlier than typical would be the general idea.

My 2 cents.

Gene J Kanak

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Re: Could use some advice
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2014, 12:42:54 PM »
If the shot is supposed to play like a reverse block, you really have three options. As has already been mentioned, test the outside to see if there is any recovery out of that puddle. If there is, that may work as long as you can keep the ball from going sideways or completely puking when it hits the dryer inside boards.

Second, you can use speed and/or a ton of forward roll to play a hard and straight line to the hole from the middle. I see a lot of this at ABT tournaments in my area. The outside is almost always OB, and there is all kinds of friction in the middle, so firing the ball up the lane between 13-17 can be an option. As the heads start to go, you will have to migrate inside more and more.

Third, as others have said, go way inside. From there you can play a skid-flip type of reaction while being careful not to miss into the puddle on the outside. If you do, you could have the dreaded moat monster on your hands! If you don't want to play that, you can play fall-back and keep the ball really tight to the pocket moving from inside to out. The trouble here is finding the combination of speed, revs, and ball choice that allows you to get the ball down the lane properly. As was mentioned, you may have to use a stronger-reacting ball than you would think in order to actually get some hitting power.

Any way you slice it, reverse blocks, or shots that mimic them, are not typically easy to deal with. Make aggressive shots, control the pocket, and try to avoid leaving designer splits. If this is scratch, you're not likely to see too many high scores, so do your best to stay clean and catch a little string here and there.

Good luck!

Ragnar

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Re: Could use some advice
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2014, 03:11:28 PM »
Thanks folks.  My best on urethane lanes has been to go very deep (6th arrow or so) and play a big swing out to around 2nd arrow, with something fairly strong.  Don't know if that will play on old wood.  We'll see.

(on edit: I realized I meant 2d arrow not first.  ANd I really mean 10 board, pretty deep on the lane.)
« Last Edit: September 22, 2014, 06:37:07 PM by Ragnar »
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2014, 03:22:10 PM »
Do you have a ball (think plastic w/a core) that you can play the toast inside with? 

In practice:
-Strongest piece you have up like 7
-Something with easy easy length and very little backend from deep
-Something super mild in the toast (plastic?)

All in all, I'd probably gear something up with my UFO polish for the toast inside.  I'd probably go Pink/Purple Karma, Tropical Breeze or my MoJave w/ a heavy UFO polish. 

You may have to surface prep something specifically for this considering it is an extreme condition.
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Ragnar

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Re: Could use some advice
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2014, 04:32:53 PM »
GT, I've got an old Buzzsaw Teal that I was thinking might work from deeper.  I plan on taking that, a Track 715T, a Track 300 and a plastic ball (no core).  I'm going to shine the heck out of the Teal before I go. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2014, 09:48:24 PM »
GT, I've got an old Buzzsaw Teal that I was thinking might work from deeper.  I plan on taking that, a Track 715T, a Track 300 and a plastic ball (no core).  I'm going to shine the heck out of the Teal before I go.

Smart move!  Gear that teal up (preferably with delay polish) for the extreme burn.  Remember hand position changes too....that could come into play.  Try to leave makeable spares and fill frames.
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