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Bowl_Freak

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Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« on: December 23, 2012, 09:18:48 AM »
I'm want to know what everyone thinks the true best Skid/Flip ball out there is. I'm looking to get the most extreme skid/flip ball out, just want some suggestions.

 

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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2012, 01:43:57 PM »
Surprised no one has said IQ Tour Pearl.

Was thinking the same. Ill let you know how flippy on thursday when i drill mine.
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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2012, 01:50:59 PM »
My iQ Tour Pearl gets pretty sideways down lane. It is a fantastic piece

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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2012, 10:09:39 PM »
+1 on the Fringe. VR Pearl is pretty flippy too.

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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2012, 09:40:54 AM »
the 607a se was crazy angular but my marvel pearl for a strong ball is very angular i just ordered a erased off buddys international list should flip very hard also has the hyroad core and the r2s cover same ball as the victory road pearl there all long pins too and for 99 shipped i figured id give it a shot.

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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2012, 10:46:02 AM »
Radical Slant HD, Dirty Look and Victory Road Pearl are 3 of the flippiest balls out there right now.

Don't forget that your release, the drilling and the oil pattern have a large effect on the ball reaction.

Polishing some of the stronger, backending, dull oilers can also create some wickedly strong breakpoints.
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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2012, 10:48:34 AM »
Surprised no one has said IQ Tour Pearl. 

While many reviews show it to be even arcing, some recent videos show it CAN have a very strong backend. Since it seems to be too conditional on several factors, I wouldn't personally include it in this group.
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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2012, 11:24:01 AM »
Strong back end is something that is often misunderstood. A ball with a strong backend transitions really fast in the backends. These are gonna be asymmetricals and you can get the skid from the layout and surface. The IQ tour pearl is very continuous in the backends. It has a lot of hook in the backends because of this so a lot of people would call it strong backend when that isn't really the case. It's hard to determine which backend someone is really looking for between strong or continuous cause they are complete opposite yet are commonly confused with each other because of terminology. The number one thing that drives me crazy in the pro shop business is how terminology differs from one person to another.

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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2012, 11:48:40 AM »
i miss posted the erased isnt like the victory road pearl it is the same ball as the thunder road pearl

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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2012, 11:56:02 AM »
I have a Primal Impulse by Motiv,and that is probably the most flippy ball off the break point I ever had. It definatly moves the other direction.
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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2012, 12:06:12 PM »
Strong back end is something that is often misunderstood. A ball with a strong backend transitions really fast in the backends. These are gonna be asymmetricals and you can get the skid from the layout and surface. The IQ tour pearl is very continuous in the backends. It has a lot of hook in the backends because of this so a lot of people would call it strong backend when that isn't really the case. It's hard to determine which backend someone is really looking for between strong or continuous cause they are complete opposite yet are commonly confused with each other because of terminology. The number one thing that drives me crazy in the pro shop business is how terminology differs from one person to another.

I'm not so sure I understand the difference.

To my mind, strong backending balls should be continuous. A strong backend should not preclude continuousness. I will admit that some very strong polished pearls (even solids) can be so strong in some people's hands and on some oil patterns, that they roll out when they hit the dry. If a ball rolls out before it gets to the pocket, it is rarely continuous in my eyes. In that case, I think it's wrong to be using too strong a ball.

I am inclined to believe that no matter how strong the backend on a drilled, thrown ball is, if it's not also continuous, you shouldn't be using it.

BUT I could be missing some other concept here. If you think so, please describe it. We may be using different terms to imply the same or a similar idea. Thanx.
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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2012, 12:32:36 PM »
I would like a better explanation too because tdub tries to lump all asymmetrical balls in the skid/flip category. The day my Vivid or HRR skids to the backend to have that backend "only" motion I will be impressed.  Maybe I misunderstood what you were getting at. The Primal Impulse will also get the job done too, I feel it finishes at the pins better then anything in my bag.

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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2012, 12:34:30 PM »
By manufacturers terminology a ball like a nano has a stronger backend because it transitions faster and isn't very continuous. So essentially this is why i asymmetricals are considered to have more backend because they transition faster. While a ball like an IQ tour pearl is considered more control because it is more continuous. Which would be less strong of a backend by manufacturers terms. I understand what you are saying about wanting continuation. I don't even drill strong covered/strong cored balls because they are so strong front to back. They transition too fast and are better when i have enough oil to go extremely straight. More or less i feel it would be better to have different terminology for ball reaction front to back and left to right that was an industry standard. Every new high performance ball that comes out is tabbed a more continuous than the last and its all marketing hype because that is exactly what they aren't.....

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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2012, 12:40:13 PM »
All I'm saying is that the term skid/flip is a very loose term. What is skid flip to one person is not to the next. I would never consider a ball like an IQ tour skid flip because it is so continuous. While someone else might read that slow backend transition as "flippy". This is evident in the wide variety of completely opposite kinds of bowling balls that have been recommended in this post. for example, a CT and a victory road couldn't be further apart in ball reaction....

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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2012, 01:11:48 PM »
I dont know about others but i consider a ball flippy by how late and anglar a ball is my 607a se was very lat reacting and lookes like it was kicked dead left at the breakpoint and i am hoping i get the same out of my erased pbt

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Re: Best SKID/FLIP ball out
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2012, 01:22:48 PM »
That said if you are looking got length and a continuous transition that will cover boards the iq tour pearl is awesome. If you are looking for length and a strong fast transitioning backend, i really like the dirty look.