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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: 12-Strikes on December 17, 2019, 06:41:48 PM
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New ball company coming soon??
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https://www.11thframe.com/news/article/11893/PBA-Tour-stars-Ryan-Ciminelli-Rhino-Page-former-Storm-tech-wiz-Victor?fbclid=IwAR1tXQ1F1lAOW-gCYo3J2wTaqC9BCM4-FcdckgYZUV7GnQiyvhwSJ6NC9KU
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If they call their first 2 balls the Shim and the Shim Rekker, might as well just go join Banger bowling.
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Would it really be a new ball company? They bowl tour events so they'd have to register the products with the PBA which is no small cost
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Over/under on how long it last at 18months
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Worxshop anyone? At least they aren't trying to crowd fund their balls I assume.
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Over/under on how long it last at 18months
I'll take under.
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While I'll agree the marketing is definitely suspect, Victor Marion is involved . . and I'd bet on that guy any day. His name will offset any damage that poor marketing might do.
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While I'll agree the marketing is definitely suspect, Victor Marion is involved . . and I'd bet on that guy any day. His name will offset any damage that poor marketing might do.
Luke, I've liked your posts and your videos but I couldn't disagree with you more on this. You know Victor's name because of your affiliation with Storm. I've even made the comment that I would love to talk core design with Victor but was told that I would prefer to talk with Hank. I don't see this going very far at all unless it has a lot of support from Storm. Bowling ball sales has a lot to do with marketing these days and when a big player like EBI can get swallowed up the little guys should really be sweating. When was the last time another company not named Motiv had a decent amount of success? I am not saying that they can't surprise me but I wouldn't invest in it. Not in a contacting industry.
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Believe me, I'm one of the biggest believers in marketing out there . . doesn't matter how good your product is if you can't generate or drive interest, but his name carries a lot of weight. Maybe not enough, and I guess you're right, a lot of the general public probably has no idea who he is . . I imagine the stuff will be good at least??
While I'll agree the marketing is definitely suspect, Victor Marion is involved . . and I'd bet on that guy any day. His name will offset any damage that poor marketing might do.
Luke, I've liked your posts and your videos but I couldn't disagree with you more on this. You know Victor's name because of your affiliation with Storm. I've even made the comment that I would love to talk core design with Victor but was told that I would prefer to talk with Hank. I don't see this going very far at all unless it has a lot of support from Storm. Bowling ball sales has a lot to do with marketing these days and when a big player like EBI can get swallowed up the little guys should really be sweating. When was the last time another company not named Motiv had a decent amount of success? I am not saying that they can't surprise me but I wouldn't invest in it. Not in a contacting industry.
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Motiv succeeds because they have a manufacturing facility. These companies that whitelabel equipment and remarket it as "new" rarely stick around. It's just no money in producing bowling balls in the current climate. 50-75% of the best bowlers in the country are on staff so by the time you comp 1-2x of every ball you make to every staffer/collegiate team, and sell the rest of the balls to them at wholesale, you're really thinning your margins.
You need millions of dollars/year in operations costs/salaries/r&d/logistics and a stretch goal of break-even on profits by year 5-6 in order to make it in this business.
Best of luck to this new brand, but making it in the bowling industry is a tough sell.
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Would it really be a new ball company? They bowl tour events so they'd have to register the products with the PBA which is no small cost
Not for nothing, but Barnes sat out an entire PBA tour season while he let his C300 contract end, bowled the TeamUSA trials, and won the QubicaAMF World Cup in 2014, prior to 900Global finally getting registered.
Point being that the PBA isn't be all/end all, as the WBT is hot. All they really couldn't do from that is bowl the Japan cup, as that is "sort of" a PBA stop.
BL.
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Uh, are you sure about Barnes sitting out a season? I never heard that before, and it doesn't seem like his stats on pba.com show it...
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I can see this being like the Jet Bowling and Seismic. Everybody talks about them, how good the product is, bringing out 5 or 6 balls out at a time and then you don't here about them anymore and they make one ball every two years it seems.
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Somebody is a pretty good salesman to get the tribe to back a misadventure like this. The only way 2 guys that have been involved in bowling as long as they have think this is a good idea is if they have no investment besides their time, or they are way dumber than I give them credit for.
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I can see this being like the Jet Bowling and Seismic. Everybody talks about them, how good the product is, bringing out 5 or 6 balls out at a time and then you don't here about them anymore and they make one ball every two years it seems.
Can largely get the full Seismic experience with their 3 or 4 TSE balls. Do love the Desperado. But yeah can see this going that way too.
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While I'll agree the marketing is definitely suspect, Victor Marion is involved . . and I'd bet on that guy any day. His name will offset any damage that poor marketing might do.
Never heard of him. I suspect I'm not in the minority of league/tournament bowlers on that.
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I think he was featured in some of the marketing for the original Crux, but that's all I've ever heard of him.
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Uh, are you sure about Barnes sitting out a season? I never heard that before, and it doesn't seem like his stats on pba.com show it...
Yep. he didn't bowl a single stop at least in the fall swing of the 2014 PBA tour, as he had won the TeamUSA trials that January and went to the World Cup along with Brittni Hamilton. It wasn't until after January 2015 that 900G came back to be registered for the PBA.
BL.
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Uh, are you sure about Barnes sitting out a season? I never heard that before, and it doesn't seem like his stats on pba.com show it...
Yep. he didn't bowl a single stop at least in the fall swing of the 2014 PBA tour, as he had won the TeamUSA trials that January and went to the World Cup along with Brittni Hamilton. It wasn't until after January 2015 that 900G came back to be registered for the PBA.
BL.
It looks like he bowled pretty much everything Belmo did except Japan in 2014. PBA.com shows that he did skip the fall of 2015, which makes sense since he announced he was going to have back surgery at the end of September 2015.
Chris and Lynda were announced as members of 900Global on January 2, 2015 from what I can tell, so that was before he missed a bunch of tournaments.
I thought I remembered him straight up skipping the WSOB one year, but I thought it was because the dates conflicted with the World Cup or something. I haven't been able to place when that happened, though, because he bowled the world cup with Hamilton in 2014.
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I honestly don't get it. Ebonite gets bought out, so Hopkinsville is home to an empty bowling ball factory (quite large one at that), other companies are getting really tight on staff requirements, trying to squeeze out a profit, and the general market is getting tighter and tighter, and a new ball company comes out?
As much as I wish them well because I want bowling to flourish, I don't see it ending well, no matter who is designing.
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I think it's a poor name choice. We have a company, Brunswick, which goes by Big B already and it's kind of lame imo.
I know of Victor, and wondered where he had been for a while, but I feel that will be characteristic of the more bowling nerd community, not you average league bowler.
I wish them luck and hope they don't have lame marketing approaches like DV8.
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I have known Victor for years, and hope this works out for him. However it is getting harder and harder for a new ball company. Victor might be a ball tech guru, but the probability of coming up with some breakthrough shell is a long shot, and about the only path to a chance at success.
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Anyone hear anything more about this?
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I know who Victor is, so in the sprit of kindness, I'll just leave it there.
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This is very much legit. Don't underestimate this great group getting this put together.
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There's a need for new companies from the pro staffers that have a mediocre year and move onto the next available company the next season.
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Even Worxshop (who had a guru also) had their balls reviewed in BJI and saw what a wet fart that was. Color me skeptical until I hear they have their own factory.
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Even Worxshop (who had a guru also) had their balls reviewed in BJI and saw what a wet fart that was. Color me skeptical until I hear they have their own factory.
[/quoteconsider yourselfno longer colored skeptical. Keep an eye out cause new equipment is on the way
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Well gotcha website even if looking little bare at time posting this. Seems legit.
https://bigbowling.com
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Grammatical and spelling errors galore. For example:
Here is where we place out USBC Open Championship Specials at
Goddamn bowlers are terribad at marketing.
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Deep down am cheering for them but under no illusions how tough it is in the industry right now. Won't see me pre-ordering anything but here's to the underdog succeeding.
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Its going to be another "Banger Bowling" saga. At least they had some creative marketing even though it was a little taste-less yet funny.
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Its going to be another "Banger Bowling" saga. At least they had some creative marketing even though it was a little taste-less yet funny.
well i go to nationals in march and have a good feeling that i will have some new equipment from them. I also know that it's not just rebranded stuff that someone else is making. Cant wait
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Its going to be another "Banger Bowling" saga. At least they had some creative marketing even though it was a little taste-less yet funny.
That's why I bought a Hole Pounder.
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Might have to punch up my Hole Finder Pearl and compare it to the Shim Rekker (wonder what ball graphics will look like on it lol) when it comes out. Did get a good quality $100 3 ball roller with Banger logos I like at least.
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A friend of mine says he has balls coming from Victor. He apparently has turned out some up in Spokane
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Well gotcha website even if looking little bare at time posting this. Seems legit.
https://bigbowling.com
Why make a site live before it is even finished? This doesn't look good. They need to bring something revolutionary to the sport of bowling if they are going to make it.
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Well some news came out finally.
Big Idea and Big Idea Solid will be the first 2 releases. They're gonna release info once approved. Doing an auction for one of the first balls to benefit Belmonte's fire relief fund.
Someone also mentioned Andrew Cain is associated in some form. So Ciminelli, Rhino, and Cain
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Well some news came out finally.
Big Idea and Big Idea Solid will be the first 2 releases. They're gonna release info once approved. Doing an auction for one of the first balls to benefit Belmonte's fire relief fund.
Someone also mentioned Andrew Cain is associated in some form. So Ciminelli, Rhino, and Cain
Buy two, get one free on lefties?
All kidding aside, sounds like USBC has the balls and it is just a matter of time before they hit the approved list and formally get announced.
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After those 2 releases then comes the Big Flop.Bet it goes no farther than those 2.
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First two releases…. Strike one, strike two….
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If you only knew what I know about this. These guys are working extremely hard to put out new game changing balls. Their setup isnt just a business in one of their garages. When they go fully live (This Will be very Soon) then it will be a matter of bowlers willingness to give them a shot that will determine how they do. I have no doubt that these new balls will be the best new tech on the market. I for one am happy that there will be new ball options instead of pretty much just renamed stuff. USBC approval cant come soon enough
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What so no Shim Rekker? Boo hiss.
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Makes me laugh to think some idiot(or group of idiots) is financing this likely fiasco.
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Makes me laugh you have no idea who Victor is
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Since I'm not a professional bowler, I don't watch much it on TV AND I don't really give much of a shit, the laugh is on you.
But go ahead and enjoy yourself.
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Makes me laugh you have no idea who Victor is
You talked about this guy Victor as if he is some kind of bowling God ;D
Victor or no Victor, this company will likely be a failure. I don’t care who that Victor is.
Time will tell.
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There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true
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Ironically, that is exactly my thoughts
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Not surprised
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Not surprised
Well then put your money where your mouth is, I'm sure they can use more investors.
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What does that have to do with your expert opinion
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Way too many 120 ave bowlers on this site
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With practice, even you can improve to at least 130.
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Makes me laugh to think some idiot(or group of idiots) is financing this likely fiasco.
I agree the outcome is likely failure (as is the case with most new businesses). It’s fair to be cautious and question the viability of another bowling ball company.
On the other hand, laughing at and mocking a passionate group of individuals for trying to live out their dream says a whole lot more about you than it does them.
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So is the plan then to release a urethane and that will be the Shim Rekker? Looking forward to the Shim line so hope this all works out.
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Looking at pictures of the 2 new bowling balls, they look like Motiv balls. Not that Motiv has anything to do with this because that I do not know.
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There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true
Not that I have a bone with anyone here, nor a dog in this fight, there is a third way to be fooled, as told by Abraham Lincoln:
"It is better to remain silent and be thought of a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I guess what I'm saying here is be careful of what you say, because it may come back to bite, and warning someone about being fooled doesn't leave you immune to being fooled yourself, let alone being the fool.
BL.
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Logos do look like the Motiv ones (not engravings).
Be interesting if Motiv is pouring for them or if they found a way around the Motiv Neomark patent
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Logos do look like the Motiv ones (not engravings).
Be interesting if Motiv is pouring for them or if they found a way around the Motiv Neomark patent
Motiv isn't pouring. Big Bowling setup in Spokane, WA
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Logos do look like the Motiv ones (not engravings).
Be interesting if Motiv is pouring for them or if they found a way around the Motiv Neomark patent
Motiv isn't pouring. Big Bowling setup in Spokane, WA
Cool maybe Ritchie can get them to pour urethane for him now his latest polyester ball is shipping.
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Logos do look like the Motiv ones (not engravings).
Be interesting if Motiv is pouring for them or if they found a way around the Motiv Neomark patent
Motiv isn't pouring. Big Bowling setup in Spokane, WA
Cool maybe Ritchie can get them to pour urethane for him now his latest polyester ball is shipping.
Lane 1 is pouring out of Washington now?? Thought they were in New York?
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Logos do look like the Motiv ones (not engravings).
Be interesting if Motiv is pouring for them or if they found a way around the Motiv Neomark patent
Motiv isn't pouring. Big Bowling setup in Spokane, WA
Cool maybe Ritchie can get them to pour urethane for him now his latest polyester ball is shipping.
Lane 1 is pouring out of Washington now?? Thought they were in New York?
No I am trolling. Ritchie never poured his own stuff AFAIK. Pretty sure his new polyester ball is made in Korea. But in past was Brunswick and 900 (want to say as C300 also) who poured for him.
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Logos do look like the Motiv ones (not engravings).
Be interesting if Motiv is pouring for them or if they found a way around the Motiv Neomark patent
Motiv isn't pouring. Big Bowling setup in Spokane, WA
Cool maybe Ritchie can get them to pour urethane for him now his latest polyester ball is shipping.
Lane 1 is pouring out of Washington now?? Thought they were in New York?
No I am trolling. Ritchie never poured his own stuff AFAIK. Pretty sure his new polyester ball is made in Korea. But in past was Brunswick and 900 (want to say as C300 also) who poured for him.
Gotcha. People will still overpay for that junk anyways.
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I know for sure they are doing everything in their own facility. I think we will here some news over the next couple days. Then it will just be a matter of people willing to give them a shot. I'm going to get 3 as soon as they come out because I need some new ones anyway. I just hope it will be before open championship
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I know for sure they are doing everything in their own facility. I think we will here some news over the next couple days. Then it will just be a matter of people willing to give them a shot. I'm going to get 3 as soon as they come out because I need some new ones anyway. I just hope it will be before open championship
Three at release? Dang, that's some confidence in the product right there.
It will be interesting to see what the price point for this stuff will be. I'm assuming higher since they're not manufacturing on the scale of the other companies... but will enough people buy if that's the case. Regardless I'm looking forward to seeing something/someone new enter the market.
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I know for sure they are doing everything in their own facility. I think we will here some news over the next couple days. Then it will just be a matter of people willing to give them a shot. I'm going to get 3 as soon as they come out because I need some new ones anyway. I just hope it will be before open championship
Three at release? Dang, that's some confidence in the product right there.
It will be interesting to see what the price point for this stuff will be. I'm assuming higher since they're not manufacturing on the scale of the other companies... but will enough people buy if that's the case. Regardless I'm looking forward to seeing something/someone new enter the market.
Ciminelli had mentioned there are 4 total in the works at the moment. The Idea Solid & Pearl + 2 more to come soon after.
I'm looking forward to seeing what they look like on the lanes and in the hands of Rhino
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I know for sure they are doing everything in their own facility. I think we will here some news over the next couple days. Then it will just be a matter of people willing to give them a shot. I'm going to get 3 as soon as they come out because I need some new ones anyway. I just hope it will be before open championship
Three at release? Dang, that's some confidence in the product right there.
It will be interesting to see what the price point for this stuff will be. I'm assuming higher since they're not manufacturing on the scale of the other companies... but will enough people buy if that's the case. Regardless I'm looking forward to seeing something/someone new enter the market.
Ciminelli had mentioned there are 4 total in the works at the moment. The Idea Solid & Pearl + 2 more to come soon after.
I'm looking forward to seeing what they look like on the lanes and in the hands of Rhino
Are lefty's the only ones promoting them? Who else is on board with them. Ciminelli-LH, Rhino-LH
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A friend of mine has 2 solids and 2 pearls coming, but hasnt heard anything
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How much different can they actually be? I don't see much difference between all the balls that are currently being produced.
And we can already have an example of how good their marketing is...
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How much different can they actually be? I don't see much difference between all the balls that are currently being produced.
And we can already have an example of how good their marketing is...
this is a major reason that I am excited about this. We have basically 2 ball companies just re branding the same stuff. These guys are working on actual new balls. I hear we are super close now. Get ready to order any time now
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How much different can they actually be? I don't see much difference between all the balls that are currently being produced.
And we can already have an example of how good their marketing is...
this is a major reason that I am excited about this. We have basically 2 ball companies just re branding the same stuff. These guys are working on actual new balls. I hear we are super close now. Get ready to order any time now
How do you figure? At least 3 even if combine Storm and 900 before you even count the Asian manufacturers. Always room for another Banger I guess.
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How much different can they actually be? I don't see much difference between all the balls that are currently being produced.
And we can already have an example of how good their marketing is...
this is a major reason that I am excited about this. We have basically 2 ball companies just re branding the same stuff. These guys are working on actual new balls. I hear we are super close now. Get ready to order any time now
sorry. Guess I should have said pretty much only 2 parent companies that own most but your right not all
How do you figure? At least 3 even if combine Storm and 900 before you even count the Asian manufacturers. Always room for another Banger I guess.
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Again, what are they going to be able to offer that isn't already on the market? As far as I know, there are only two suppliers of the resin used to make bowling balls. In addition, USBC had defined the specifications into a pretty narrow window.
Also, I assume most of these guys worked for one of the majors already, so if they had some kind of big break-through idea, it would have already been on the market.
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I guess we will just have to see. I know they didnt rush the idea that is coming out. They engineered it from the inside out then tweaked and tweaked till it was perfect. These guys are working very hard to get this right and when people start using them I think they will be very happy with them
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It is still just a bowling ball. Unless they come up with the next Xcaliber AND have a sugar daddy with some pretty deep pockets they have no chance. Their first mistake was paying PBA registration before they even had balls available.
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For some reason, this thread reminds me of a certain miracle bowling aid(not to be mentioned by me) that appeared on boards several years ago. All of a sudden, there were new members appearing hyping what a great product it was.
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No harm in having options. I may well give them a try beat people using the usual names so they get all cranky
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For some reason, this thread reminds me of a certain miracle bowling aid(not to be mentioned by me) that appeared on boards several years ago. All of a sudden, there were new members appearing hyping what a great product it was.
Hook Juice was going to change everything but then Milo ruined it saying things like $50 for a tiny bottle and is this USBC approved (actually might have been me, pee on the parade kind of guy).
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For some reason, this thread reminds me of a certain miracle bowling aid(not to be mentioned by me) that appeared on boards several years ago. All of a sudden, there were new members appearing hyping what a great product it was.
Hook Juice was going to change everything but then Milo ruined it saying things like $50 for a tiny bottle and is this USBC approved (actually might have been me, pee on the parade kind of guy).
...but really, it was expensive!
I can say that, since I bought out the last of the Remedy rx from Valentino.
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From one manufacturer to the next there's not much difference. Only marketing hype. Those who throw various brands regularly can tell you as much.
So if you have a new company, in my opinion, image is everything. Make something that looks great, rolls as advertised, and you have a good chance. When looking at the first two releases you see nothing attention worthy, and something easily forgettable. That's everything you need to know about how this project will end.
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From one manufacturer to the next there's not much difference. Only marketing hype. Those who throw various brands regularly can tell you as much.
So if you have a new company, in my opinion, image is everything. Make something that looks great, rolls as advertised, and you have a good chance. When looking at the first two releases you see nothing attention worthy, and something easily forgettable. That's everything you need to know about how this project will end.
Amen brother, exactly as I see it.
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VISIONARY-Had the FABALL legacy and money behind them—GONE
LANE1-Had years of experience and a RABID following—GONE
AMF-Once the biggest name in the game—ALL BUT GONE
COLUMBIA300-Once a major player. One coverstock debacle and later-SOLD (TWICE!)
Dynothane, Genesis, Banger, JPF, Elite, AZO, Jet.................
Good luck is all I can say.
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For some reason, this thread reminds me of a certain miracle bowling aid(not to be mentioned by me) that appeared on boards several years ago. All of a sudden, there were new members appearing hyping what a great product it was.
Hook Juice was going to change everything but then Milo ruined it saying things like $50 for a tiny bottle and is this USBC approved (actually might have been me, pee on the parade kind of guy).
At least I can still use my Griips glove..
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For some reason, this thread reminds me of a certain miracle bowling aid(not to be mentioned by me) that appeared on boards several years ago. All of a sudden, there were new members appearing hyping what a great product it was.
Hook Juice was going to change everything but then Milo ruined it saying things like $50 for a tiny bottle and is this USBC approved (actually might have been me, pee on the parade kind of guy).
At least I can still use my Griips glove..
Just couldn't stop yourself huh? 🤣
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VISIONARY-Had the FABALL legacy and money behind them—GONE
LANE1-Had years of experience and a RABID following—GONE
AMF-Once the biggest name in the game—ALL BUT GONE
COLUMBIA300-Once a major player. One coverstock debacle and later-SOLD (TWICE!)
Dynothane, Genesis, Banger, JPF, Elite, AZO, Jet.................
Good luck is all I can say.
Just going back a decade or so, let me add these that had balls released:
MoRich, Via, Caffeine Sports, Linds, Yellow Jacket, QMR, Rev, Bowlers Paradise, Blend10, Moxy, and Monster.
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Anyone tell Seismic they're dead yet?
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Saw Pontus Anderson wearing a Big Bowling hoodie yesterday at the TV shows and a few other shirts. No one really wanted to talk about the company yet, just said news soon...
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Anyone tell Seismic they're dead yet?
Jet and Monster Bowling you don't hear about either.
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There is still nothing on their website. So I wonder how much longer before they start putting their stuff on there.
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Then there is this:
https://www.11thframe.com/news/article/11893
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Anyone taking bets on the over/under "death date"?
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I think this will be a huge week for big bowling. It's nice to have a new product getting ready to launch that is drawing interest. We need more of that in this sport not less. Cant wait. 3 weeks till nationals
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Well. I see their name on the usbc approved ball list
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Anyone taking bets on the over/under "death date"?
Before ball #5.
What I wonder is if Page and Ciminelli have enough skin in the game to not bail if the balls roll like wet ass on tour conditions.
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Isn’t this eerily similar sounding to the old company CHAMPION BOWLING?
Quality products, backed by big names and industry “insidersâ€.
They didn’t make it long either.
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I agree that this has the markings of a huge failure that we have seen before. However....if the company makes a few good products and stays in business will all of you eat your crow???
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Well, despite all the companies that failed, we do have Motiv as the only one totally outside of what would we a Storm and Brunswick monopoly. So it was possible to make it as a new bowling company, if not incredibly difficult.
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Motiv was already in the bowling business when they started making balls.
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I agree that this has the markings of a huge failure that we have seen before. However....if the company makes a few good products and stays in business will all of you eat your crow???
Sure. They overcome the first two lack luster looking releases to be successful would say a lot.
Who's pouring their stuff?
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I agree that this has the markings of a huge failure that we have seen before. However....if the company makes a few good products and stays in business will all of you eat your crow???
Sure. They overcome the first two lack luster looking releases to be successful would say a lot.
Who's pouring their stuff?
they are all in house. From engineering to finish. Usbc now has the first 2 approvals on usbc site with pics
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Everyone forgets Storm was new once too
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And Mr. Chrisman was also in the bowling business when he started making balls.
Building relationships with distributors so they will buy your product is very difficult. If you are a distributor are you going to spend your money with some unknown or are you going to buy more Storm balls? Building relationships with pro shops is even harder. Is a shop going to bring in these balls and have to convince a customer to try them or will they sell the customer a Storm or Hammer they are asking for? If they try the direct to consumer method then they piss off pro shops from the start and will have a very difficult time turning that around.
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I agree that this has the markings of a huge failure that we have seen before. However....if the company makes a few good products and stays in business will all of you eat your crow???
Sure. They overcome the first two lack luster looking releases to be successful would say a lot.
Who's pouring their stuff?
they are all in house. From engineering to finish. Usbc now has the first 2 approvals on usbc site with pics
In house where? Country, or a state where being produced?
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Well, despite all the companies that failed, we do have Motiv as the only one totally outside of what would we a Storm and Brunswick monopoly. So it was possible to make it as a new bowling company, if not incredibly difficult.
Don't know the story very well. Did Motiv grab resources (people, machines, suppliers, etc) from Brunswick after their plant closed? If so then not real outside either.
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In all honesty, I will probably give them a try. I have bought balls from most of the new companies coming to market, especially the ones poured in the U.S.
But I still don't see long term success for them with where bowling seems to be heading currently.
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Well, despite all the companies that failed, we do have Motiv as the only one totally outside of what would we a Storm and Brunswick monopoly. So it was possible to make it as a new bowling company, if not incredibly difficult.
Don't know the story very well. Did Motiv grab resources (people, machines, suppliers, etc) from Brunswick after their plant closed? If so then not real outside either.
No, Motiv was already in the business in a major way on their own. They poured a lot of the Brunswick cores before Brunswick moved to Mexico. Motiv is also the company called Tech-Line and your pro shop probably has a lot of their products in use that aren't bowling balls. There was an established distribution network, good reputation and income stream when Motiv started pouring their own balls. And in addition, they had a new idea with the NeoMark labeling.
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I heard they couldnt keep some of their prototypes on the right side of the head pin the first time they tested them. Balls are being poured in Spokane. Small facility, definitely not set up for mass production
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I heard they couldnt keep some of their prototypes on the right side of the head pin the first time they tested them. Balls are being poured in Spokane. Small facility, definitely not set up for mass production
That is interesting and unexpected.
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I heard they couldnt keep some of their prototypes on the right side of the head pin the first time they tested them. Balls are being poured in Spokane. Small facility, definitely not set up for mass production
Well it may be true that they may or may not have had issues with prototypes but, that is why they call them prototypes. I have heard with great confidence that the idea is very solid(no pun intended.) As far as the facility. It doesnt have to be huge to make great bowling balls. From what I understand these will be high end balls and as long as people give them a shot then they will be just fine however if everybody is going to pretty much say they are done before they even get going then that is unfortunate. I for one am excited to have a new option to test out. Just remember these are real people working very hard to get us some new great stuff. less then 20 days till nationals. cant wait
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Seems like you are surviving okay while waiting. It's been like three weeks since you started saying that.
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Seems like you are surviving okay while waiting. It's been like three weeks since you started saying that.
yeah we have a couple teams that go to nationlas every year and its always a fun trip. This year This year we have a bit more to be excited about with the new equipment. Its gunna be cutting it close though
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Last thing I would do is go to the USBC Open with unproven equipment.
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I hope they make it big time. I have always liked Victor, and maybe he has some cutting edge technology. I only mentioned what I heard about the prototypes, and agree that is what they are for
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I heard they couldnt keep some of their prototypes on the right side of the head pin the first time they tested them. Balls are being poured in Spokane. Small facility, definitely not set up for mass production
Well it may be true that they may or may not have had issues with prototypes but, that is why they call them prototypes. I have heard with great confidence that the idea is very solid(no pun intended.) As far as the facility. It doesnt have to be huge to make great bowling balls. From what I understand these will be high end balls and as long as people give them a shot then they will be just fine however if everybody is going to pretty much say they are done before they even get going then that is unfortunate. I for one am excited to have a new option to test out. Just remember these are real people working very hard to get us some new great stuff. less then 20 days till nationals. cant wait
Is it just me or you sound like you are a part of Big Bowling? All your posts about it seems to be kind of partial to them... Looks like you are on their payroll lol ;D
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I heard they couldnt keep some of their prototypes on the right side of the head pin the first time they tested them. Balls are being poured in Spokane. Small facility, definitely not set up for mass production
Well it may be true that they may or may not have had issues with prototypes but, that is why they call them prototypes. I have heard with great confidence that the idea is very solid(no pun intended.) As far as the facility. It doesnt have to be huge to make great bowling balls. From what I understand these will be high end balls and as long as people give them a shot then they will be just fine however if everybody is going to pretty much say they are done before they even get going then that is unfortunate. I for one am excited to have a new option to test out. Just remember these are real people working very hard to get us some new great stuff. less then 20 days till nationals. cant wait
Is it just me or you sound like you are a part of Big Bowling? All your posts about it seems to be kind of partial to them... Looks like you are on their payroll lol ;D
No, but I do have skin in the game so to speak. Its their story to tell so I wont say who they are but I am not on the payroll or monetarily invested. I have known a couple of those involved for years and am family of one of them. Bottom line is what they are doing up there is going to be a tough road but I have broke bread with them and I can tell you they are all in on this. They believe in not only the product but also the future products. All they need is a shot and I am sure they will make it.
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does bread break? i always thought it tore
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Isn’t this eerily similar sounding to the old company CHAMPION BOWLING?
Quality products, backed by big names and industry “insidersâ€.
They didn’t make it long either.
And Champions had some really good equipment, and yes, marketing as well.
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Isn’t this eerily similar sounding to the old company CHAMPION BOWLING?
Quality products, backed by big names and industry “insidersâ€.
They didn’t make it long either.
And Champions had some really good equipment, and yes, marketing as well.
Champions Mustang was a great one
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It's all usbc approved, just saw em all on bowl.com
They better strike alot cuz they look like a teenager designed it.
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Will be amazed if they don't end up being too strong for house especially the one I bowl on. Then again probably not looking to compete in the mid range or lower segment.
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From what I understand they will be targeting all bowlers not just the pros. They already have 4 balls approved and have done a solid and a pearl of each. That alone gives you alot of options for drilling and conditions. I know they have more in the pipeline so be ready. I wonder if they will be thrown this week in the PBA.
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Shim and Shim Rekker on the approved list now as well
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Haha I didn't write all 4, I meant all 4 by saying all. Not impressed though.
Speaking of companies I don't throw.
The ripcord flight looks amazing, and so does the track proof and hammer redemption solid.
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Checked the website, backing off of their reveal due to...you guessed it, coronavirus.
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Gives them a good excuse at least
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https://bigbowling.com/product/new-bowling-ball-01/
https://bigbowling.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/ideal.png.jpg?189db0&189db0
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https://bigbowling.com/product/new-bowling-ball-01/
https://bigbowling.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/ideal.png.jpg?189db0&189db0
That's been there since the website went online which seemed premature to all of us
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They defiantly didn't bust their budget on the website. :o
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well I was able to finally throw the shim recker. Went to Washington and had one drilled up. Didnt get to bowl much but what I saw got me excited to get back to league.Great people up there. Super friendly and very into what they are trying to do. I think they are about to be well known pretty soon. Just gotta get the bowls opened back up
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqK9vf74Rnc&t=5486s
skip to about the 110 mark to see them comparing BIG to the IQ
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I've been away from this for a bit and been watching the PBA again. Noticed the likes of Rhino Page and Marshall Kent with this "BIG bowling" company now so I had to do some research. Stumbled on this thread and it's funny to read some of the comments from back in 2019 with people saying how quickly this company will fold. Here they are in 2021 as Gold PBA members and some quality staffers that Victor pulled from Storm.
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Wow, two years. Impressed... ::)
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I've been away from this for a bit and been watching the PBA again. Noticed the likes of Rhino Page and Marshall Kent with this "BIG bowling" company now so I had to do some research. Stumbled on this thread and it's funny to read some of the comments from back in 2019 with people saying how quickly this company will fold. Here they are in 2021 as Gold PBA members and some quality staffers that Victor pulled from Storm.
To be fair, it's just now coming up on 1 year since their first balls were approved by the USBC. It's only been like 6 months of their products being available to the public
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They defiantly didn't bust their budget on the website. :o
HaHaHa......website is a joke!
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Oh come on Pat. It's just a Wordpress site, and there are thousands going that same route every day. Could be better, but could sure be worse for a first shot. I forget, which failed company was it you were repping in the past? Do I detect a bit of jealousy perhaps?
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Oh come on Pat. It's just a Wordpress site, and there are thousands going that same route every day. Could be better, but could sure be worse for a first shot. I forget, which failed company was it you were repping in the past? Do I detect a bit of jealousy perhaps?
That's funny. Just a WordPress site. You may not be aware that almost a third of all websites are powered by WordPress. Most of which aren't nearly as big a joke as the BB one.
And Lane masters is still a bowling ball company. Think BB will be around in thirty years? Or even 10?
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i for one wish them luck with positive waves. everything i've seen of the Shim Rekker, and the fact they are made in the United States has me REALLY wanting one.
how many companies does Brunswick own now? made in Mexico(?) no thanks...
Storm makes most of their balls in the US (minus Ice Storm and Tropical line?) which is great, but them also owning Roto Grip, as well 900 Global is a negative for me. not a fan of large multi-company conglomerates. i know some a lot people don't care about such things, but I DO. also, scented balls? lol
was looking at the Motiv Venom Shock for my first league season. i've decided to get a Shim Rekker instead. it just looks smoother, and finishes much stronger through the pin deck. for a transition ball i'm undecided ATM. maybe the Shim, Motiv 'Fatal Venom' or a 'Desert Tank'. dunno, going to talk to others in the league as well as the pro shop dude.
may you prosper Big Bowling.
/max
*no, i'm not a staffer
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Quite a few throwing BB stuff around here since they are local. They look pretty good in my sport league
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Everyone I've seen throw those balls get an amazing finish through the pindeck with them, almost too much on patterns that need taming. Whatever the case, I want our sport to have a thousand ball companies, all successful. That would mean the sport is growing and healthy. I don't know why anyone would wish ill on any ball company.
Jess