Post by: another300 on March 13, 2008, 11:52:10 AM
Things like this were occurring at the center I bowl at about 5+ years ago. So, during our meeting, the bowling alley manager attened our meeting and address the entire league. He said, "Any bowler seen kicking the returns, punching the score console or defacing the alley property would have to miss the following week of bowling and would have to pay for any damage done to what they took their anger out on."
I tell you what, there were a few people having to miss bowling for a few weeks but finally, it helped "them" keep their anger in check.
Any other bowling centers you guys have bowled at ever have to go to these measures to "help" some bowlers out with their anger issues?
Post by: KennyRambo on March 13, 2008, 07:56:05 PM
Post by: NicholasE on March 13, 2008, 08:06:19 PM
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Post by: REVerse on March 13, 2008, 08:28:28 PM
Tell that to the judge. Never asked what ball he was throwing.
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Post by: RotoGripGal on March 13, 2008, 08:32:36 PM
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Post by: DON DRAPER on March 13, 2008, 09:12:13 PM
Post by: on March 13, 2008, 11:36:47 PM
I've always laughed at the displys of temper because it just draws attention to the bowler who's acting like an idiot. "Hey, look at me act like a 4 year old!" Simply amazing...
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Post by: Fatboy8 on March 13, 2008, 11:47:42 PM
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Is there a rule against punching yourself?
LMFAO!
We've got a few douche bags that hit the monitors, seats, etc. Ignorant plain and simple.
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on March 13, 2008, 11:53:23 PM
Post by: Moe on March 14, 2008, 12:10:41 AM
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Post by: Oskuposer on March 14, 2008, 01:13:06 AM
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Post by: Astroman on March 14, 2008, 01:29:23 AM
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Post by: AdrianS on March 14, 2008, 01:40:03 AM
On the other hand being a laneman for a while last year taught me that bowlers are the most stubborn stupid creatures on earth!!! (but i still love 'em!!!
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Post by: AngloBowler on March 14, 2008, 03:54:12 AM
This patently isn't true. There are a number of possible causes of "temper tantrums". True, an inflated ego can, repeat CAN, be the cause of a meltdown, however, to say that it's at the root of all outbursts is insulting and grossly inaccurate.
There are many, varied, reasons for temper outbursts, which I won't list here, suffice to say that I have always had a short temper in every aspect of life, including bowling, and as a result have spent a long time working on it, with greater and lesser degrees of success.
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Post by: Helsie on March 14, 2008, 06:55:21 AM
It's not always about the ego and getting stroppy over not carrying - sometimes it's sheer frustration with everything...
That said, I hate seeing people going mad and kicking the c**p out of things - there is no need for it, but I bet everyone here has done something at some point.
Post by: novawagonmaster on March 14, 2008, 07:55:18 AM
I take bowling as serious as anyone else, yet somehow I can refrain from acting like a child when I get tapped (or worse yet, actually miss what I was throwing at!).
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Post by: nutsforbowling on March 14, 2008, 08:03:08 AM
Only ran over 5 or 6 cats on the way home that night. And a couple of sqirrels too.
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Post by: Comet790 on March 14, 2008, 08:03:48 AM
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on March 14, 2008, 08:10:25 AM
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Post by: on March 14, 2008, 08:19:01 AM
It's okay if you don't agree with my statement. I probably shouldn't have said "ALL" and maybe should have used the word "many". I didn't realize my every word was being scrutinized under the microscope.
My point is that too many bowlers think they're ENTITLED to strike just because their ball enters the pocket. So, if they don't actually strike they start feeling like they were "robbed" or that the lanes must be horrible (regardless that there's people all over the center getting plenty of strikes).
Life is full of challenges that can truly test us and demand all of our energies to overcome it's trials and difficulties. Why can't those who struggle with this behavior just keep it all in perspective, and remember that it's BOWLING? Get a grip. See a sunset. Talk to your plants. Listen to the ocean, or anything to settle yourself down. Most of us bowl for recreation or fun, and would rather not watch adults acting like young children.
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Post by: AngloBowler on March 14, 2008, 08:24:17 AM
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It kills me to watch grown men act like 3 year olds over a game.
I take bowling as serious as anyone else, yet somehow I can refrain from acting like a child when I get tapped (or worse yet, actually miss what I was throwing at!)
Yes you can. And that's fine. Everyone is not you. I am not condoning willful damage to property of the bowling centre, but you must accept that other people are not the same as you. You also make the assumption that you know what it is that someone has lost their temper about: Person gets tapped > Person gets mad therefore, person lost temper because of the tap... No. Not always.
No-one plans to lose their temper (well, non-sociopaths anyhow) and anyone who's had to deal with it like I have will appreciate that it's not easy learning how to cope with it and reduce it's likelihood. Some of the stories here are far worse than anything I've ever done when I've lost my temper, let alone when I've got angry in a bowling centre.
Anyone who has anger issues might like to try this site:
http://www.pe2000.com/anger.htm
It's helped me a lot.
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Post by: on March 14, 2008, 08:48:08 AM
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Post by: se7en on March 14, 2008, 08:52:18 AM
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Post by: justdale on March 14, 2008, 09:01:52 AM
His eyes went glossy, and it was quite comical to see him walk around for the next couple of minutes after he did that
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Post by: AngloBowler on March 14, 2008, 09:11:56 AM
I appreciate you elaborating, and hope that in future, at least when talking to me, you are more careful about what you say, and make sure it is what you mean (I don't mean this to sound antagonistic, please don't interpret it as such).
My point is that handling life's challenges with dignity and class is an entirely rational and logical response. Anger is anything but. Also I have found anger to be very context specific, some things get me angry others don't and the situation in which I find myself affects how angry I can become.
I understand your point about people who think that "they deserve a strike" and I think people who aren't very good have no real justification for getting angry. However, people's anger (and this is from my own experience) is internally calibrated. Again, you're falling into the trap of mindreading, or at least attempting it. You're assuming that what you think is angering someone is what is actually angering them. You might be right, you might be wrong, but it's going to be impossible to tell.
I realise that you don't want to see adults behaving childishly, however, you also have no control over them, if they lose their temper but don't actually hit anything, would you view that any differently?
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Post by: inconsistent 1 on March 14, 2008, 09:25:26 AM
Post by: Belgarion on March 14, 2008, 09:31:20 AM
Always amusing, but a bit distracting as he usually did it as he was walking back off the approach
Post by: on March 14, 2008, 10:06:55 AM
Thanks. PM is in the process.
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Brunswick Amateur Staff
Post by: Luckyzzzzz on March 14, 2008, 11:41:31 AM
Anglo, you sound like you've been battling this a while. Is it that you have a physical response to your anger before you are able to think about it? Kinda like having a Bruce Banner thing going on? If so, then that is an extreme case out of the norm.
As I bartend and work in the Pro Shop at the lanes where I bowl, I try to coem across professionally and treat the equipment there with respect. (even if I am a little goofy at times) There are a handful of "kids" that bowl in leagues with me (and some that work there too) that I get onto about losing their tempers and being foolish. My biggest pet peeve, though, is our General Manager who kicks the ball returns and hits chairs when he get mad. It's embarrassing because I work there too and have to hear people talk about him. One week, when he went to the bathroom during league, on of the other bowlers taped up targets that he had photocopied to all the ball returns. Another time, after missing a spare with his strike ball, the GM came back and kicked his spare ball (on a rack under the ball return) and knocked it into the other balls on the rack. When questioned about it, he was like "What? That was my ball!". So, a frame or two later, the same guy that put up the targets earlier in the year wound up missing a spare of his own. He then proceeded to walk two lanes over and kick the GM's spare ball on the rack. He looked around and said "What? That's what we do here when we miss spares, right?!"
Post by: AngloBowler on March 14, 2008, 12:04:16 PM
I think Bruce Banner may be overstating the point a little
Basically I've always had a short temper, and never really known why. It's just been a case of my trying to come to terms with it such that it affects my life in a minimal way (such as only getting angry when it is appropriate). I've never been violent towards anything animate when I've lost my temper, but I do appreciate that because of my size (6'4 about 230 lbs in your money) an outburst can make other people who don't know me worried.
I wouldn't describe it as a "red mist" scenario either, I think this is a cop out to try and avoid taking responsibility for your actions when angry. I have enough control to not injure any people when I lose my temper (except maybe myself) but when I'm angry it seems that's the extent of my control until it passes.
I understand what makes me angry, but as I've said before, anger bypasses the rational part of your brain. You astutely point out that learning to deal with anger is important. More important is learning how not to become angry, see the link I've posted earlier. I'm working on this, and it's not going to happen overnight. What I have found is that for me, it takes a conscious effort not to get angry about something, and most of my triggers centre around one of two things:
My expectations of myself
My expectations of the world around me
When I, or the world, don't align with these expectations, frustration occurs, if this mismatch continues, then I get angry. It's a long and involved process, trying to force my higher brain to kick in at these times and rationalise to myself and prevent the anger "taking hold".
I can say one thing with certainty. I don't enjoy being angry, that's why I've spent most of my life trying to reduce the impact that anger has on my life in general, and my bowling in particular. But it's not an overnight thing, and people only see a snapshot of me being angry, they rarely see what I was like 15 years ago, 5 years ago, last time I was angry, and they will likely not see me in 2 years either when i hope it will be better again.
I hope this provides a little insight...
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Post by: APheLion on March 14, 2008, 12:13:11 PM
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment
When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Post by: baltimora on March 14, 2008, 12:28:36 PM
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The center where I am currently employed, we have 3 bays of 24(72 total), 1-48 on one side of the house and 49-72 on the other side. Between 24 and 25 there is a partition that extends from the foul line to about half way on the approach. That partition used to be a target for kicking and punching, at least until we installed 3/4" plywood behind the drywall. As for ball returns or anything else, we accept cash and major credit cards as forms of payment.
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i'll keep this mind while i am bowling second place tonite. maybe i should bring my second credit card in case....
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Post by: Timotheus on March 14, 2008, 12:38:04 PM
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The center where I am currently employed, we have 3 bays of 24(72 total), 1-48 on one side of the house and 49-72 on the other side. Between 24 and 25 there is a partition that extends from the foul line to about half way on the approach. That partition used to be a target for kicking and punching, at least until we installed 3/4" plywood behind the drywall. As for ball returns or anything else, we accept cash and major credit cards as forms of payment.
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Just another house bowler hack...
This sounds suspiciously like, and indeed after checking your profile it is, AMF Strike-N-Spare in Mattydale, NY. I've been bowling there for almost 20 years now.
That being said, everyone loses their temper in some way. Currently I'm in a very very good situation where I've got a great job, don't have to pay rent or utilities, and can put my income towards paying off my car and student loans and putting what's left into savings. In that regard I have very little to worry about outside of my job, so its easy to get upset while I'm bowling. However I don't get angry or frustrated when pins don't fall, mainly because I usually know exactly how to fix it, but its when I can't make a shot or I can't carry at all no matter what adjustment I make and my opponents or anyone else in the league can carry seemingly everything they throw.
I used to kick ball returns, when I was like 8, got yelled at by the house owner and never did it again. I do take out my frustrations on my own stuff, like my brace when I used to wear one, my drink if its like a gatorade bottle, or I'll clap my hands together hard, and sometimes I'll just let out a gutteral yell at the pindeck. Most often though I come back muttering to myself.
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16# AMF Nighthawk (replacing soon)
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Post by: novawagonmaster on March 14, 2008, 01:01:00 PM
quote:quote:
It kills me to watch grown men act like 3 year olds over a game.
I take bowling as serious as anyone else, yet somehow I can refrain from acting like a child when I get tapped (or worse yet, actually miss what I was throwing at!)
Yes you can. And that's fine. Everyone is not you. I am not condoning willful damage to property of the bowling centre, but you must accept that other people are not the same as you. You also make the assumption that you know what it is that someone has lost their temper about: Person gets tapped > Person gets mad therefore, person lost temper because of the tap... No. Not always.
No-one plans to lose their temper (well, non-sociopaths anyhow) and anyone who's had to deal with it like I have will appreciate that it's not easy learning how to cope with it and reduce it's likelihood. Some of the stories here are far worse than anything I've ever done when I've lost my temper, let alone when I've got angry in a bowling centre.
Anyone who has anger issues might like to try this site:
http://www.pe2000.com/anger.htm
It's helped me a lot.
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You're joking, right?
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aka: Rico Swerve~
Post by: AngloBowler on March 14, 2008, 03:46:58 PM
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Post by: tenpin477 on March 14, 2008, 04:46:10 PM
Post by: SUNDEVIL23 on March 14, 2008, 04:56:48 PM
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Lucky,
I think Bruce Banner may be overstating the point a little
Basically I've always had a short temper, and never really known why. It's just been a case of my trying to come to terms with it such that it affects my life in a minimal way (such as only getting angry when it is appropriate). I've never been violent towards anything animate when I've lost my temper, but I do appreciate that because of my size (6'4 about 230 lbs in your money) an outburst can make other people who don't know me worried.
I wouldn't describe it as a "red mist" scenario either, I think this is a cop out to try and avoid taking responsibility for your actions when angry. I have enough control to not injure any people when I lose my temper (except maybe myself) but when I'm angry it seems that's the extent of my control until it passes.
I understand what makes me angry, but as I've said before, anger bypasses the rational part of your brain. You astutely point out that learning to deal with anger is important. More important is learning how not to become angry, see the link I've posted earlier. I'm working on this, and it's not going to happen overnight. What I have found is that for me, it takes a conscious effort not to get angry about something, and most of my triggers centre around one of two things:
My expectations of myself
My expectations of the world around me
When I, or the world, don't align with these expectations, frustration occurs, if this mismatch continues, then I get angry. It's a long and involved process, trying to force my higher brain to kick in at these times and rationalise to myself and prevent the anger "taking hold".
I can say one thing with certainty. I don't enjoy being angry, that's why I've spent most of my life trying to reduce the impact that anger has on my life in general, and my bowling in particular. But it's not an overnight thing, and people only see a snapshot of me being angry, they rarely see what I was like 15 years ago, 5 years ago, last time I was angry, and they will likely not see me in 2 years either when i hope it will be better again.
I hope this provides a little insight...
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Reporting from England
T-M-I buddy