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bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« on: January 16, 2007, 12:10:25 PM »
Im not sure if anyone else has seen this but here it goes. I just got this in an email update from bowlersparadise.

A Case For Change.
By Brian Voss

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I recently started a thread in the PBA.com forum about the need for change in the sport of bowling. The topic generated quite a bit of interest from other forum members, so I thought it might be a good idea to write my first column for this series about the topic of changing the sport.

In my PBA.com thread, I focused primarily on changes that I believe could help revitalize the competitive aspect of the sport (versus the recreational side), but for this column I'd like to widen the scope of that a bit. Before going into my argument, I'd like to ask that you consider my perspective as a player who has dedicated 25 years of his life to pursuing excellence on the bowling lanes and trying to help promote the sport not only here in the United States, but throughout the world. I would, of course, love for things to change for the better in the sport because it ultimately benefits me, but more importantly, given where I am in the context of my competitive career, more so for future generations of people interested in pursuing bowling as a competitive outlet or as a business career.

First off, let me start by saying that it is abundantly obvious that nearly every indicator of healthiness in the industry is on a trend of decline in the U.S. League bowling membership is down over 70% from its heyday back in the late 1970's. The number of certified bowling centers has decreased over 25% during the same period. Profit margins for bowling equipment manufacturers are decreasing and the equipment market is stagnant. Tournament participation is down at the local level and PBA prize funds are about the same as they were back in the 1980's, without even adjusting for inflation. But at least the men have a Tour. The ladies' Tour has been defunct for a few years now.

Yet to blame any one group of people or any specific industry organization for all of these problems, which has been the approach I've seen in public and private forums for as long as I can remember, is a really myopic view of how I feel we need to change. We've also heard all of the pleas for the industry to "work together" and become a unified force that can conquer these problems as one. That would be nice, but I don't feel that all of the different groups in the industry with all of their divergent goals and objectives are necessarily the end all be all answer either (besides also being an overly idealistic notion).

Instead, it's really the responsibility of everyone in the industry to redefine what we want to see the industry become and then make those changes a reality. Right now, I'm not sure I've heard any particular individual or group lay out what that vision might be for the future for the rest of us to follow. To me, the most obvious goal for all of us is to stop the declines and get the trends moving in a positive direction. Every person, group and company in the industry needs to look at the particular trends most relevant to themselves and figure out a logical plan for how to turn them around. Once they have success, it will inspire everyone around them, including their competitors and groups in other areas of the sport, to change for the better.

That's really the main reason I'm with Elite Bowling now. I see it is an opportunity for me to help change things for the better in the industry. Everything I have in my life I owe to the sport of bowling, and at this point in my career it is time for me to do everything I can to ensure that the next generation of bowlers has it better than I did. Hopefully, before I'm through, I can be one of those individuals who will help inspire others to make this sport great once again.

Brian Voss

If you would like to keep up with Brian and his quest to make our game great once again log onto www.elitebowling.com for the latest updates.
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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2007, 08:45:24 PM »
When you said a bowling ball should cost no more than $100 I stopped reading right there and that pretty much ruins all validity of your post.  That's the real problem with the industry.  There's no money in it.  This guy thinks no ball should cost over $100.  Tell this to the hundreds of people in R&D, sales, and manufacturing for every respective company, then tell that to your pro shop guy who is fitting and drilling you, that they should be able to make a respectable living for themselves with no ball costing over $100.

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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 08:46:13 PM »
We need to redefine bowling as we know it.  The usbc and the pba have dug a hole they can't get out of.  Everybody needs to work together to dig them out of this rut.  Bowling ball manufacturers keep making better equipment to make bowling easier thinking they will make more money, but in the end the hook in the box bowling balls and the blocked off lane conditions are pushing more bowlers away.

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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2007, 10:16:20 PM »
Again we get another "rant" from Mr. Voss telling us that bowling is in a state of decline, a "state of emergency," etc.

Enough of the complaining and giving all of us the same numbers that we've already heard before.  70% this and 25% that.

Stop complaining and start making recommendations on how to fix it.  If you can't give us any way to fix the problems, then please stop complaining.  If it really is that bad, feel free to stop bowling and get a 9 to 5, 40+ hour per week job like most of America!

This is coming from somebody that is able to make a living by bowling.  Not saying he is breaking the bank, but still he is making a living.  No doubt he is one of the greats.  

How many of us would love to be able to make a living by bowling?

BV by the numbers (http://www.pba.com/players/singlebio03.asp?ID=9680):

2005-06 season earnings of $91,120.
24th season on Tour.  
All-time PBA career money $2,307,722

He's averaging almost $100k per year.  Sure he's had some bad years, but most of those years look like he didn't even bowl the entire season.

He made $49,320 in 1983......how many of you made that much money in 1983?



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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2007, 10:31:30 PM »
I feel that if the PBA would increase the exposer of there players and up the prize fund big time then it would attract the younger crowd.  At that point the game would see an increase in players across the country.

If there was a prize fund of 200,000 grand per tourney then you would see a lot of young players taking this game very serious!  This would also bring TV ratings up.

One thing the PBA should do is change the day of the TV finals.  Sunday is a horrible day to do this.  Sat would be a lot better.  You wouldn't have to compete with the NFL.
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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2007, 10:33:22 PM »
I commend Brian Voss for trying to help change things. I may not agree with everything he says and for him to say that he is with Elite because of this makes it sound like Elite is trying to improve this dying sport. How is selling equipment at ridiculously low prices, most times at or below their cost, helping the bowling industry? How is selling Brunswick remakes for $300 dollars helping the bowling industry? Brian says that high tech bowling balls have ruined our sport and yet he pushes Elite. I guess he thinks that Elite balls aren't high tech since they are only remakes.

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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2007, 10:36:49 PM »
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Again we get another "rant" from Mr. Voss telling us that bowling is in a state of decline, a "state of emergency," etc.

Enough of the complaining and giving all of us the same numbers that we've already heard before.  70% this and 25% that.

Stop complaining and start making recommendations on how to fix it.  If you can't give us any way to fix the problems, then please stop complaining.  If it really is that bad, feel free to stop bowling and get a 9 to 5, 40+ hour per week job like most of America!
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This is 1 of several articals that will be released from Mr. Voss. The future articals will have several different suggestions on how we can try to improve the current state of this very sport we all know and love. Dont be harsh on him for not trying because he is.
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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2007, 10:59:43 PM »
^^Not even close.
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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2007, 12:50:06 AM »
Why are you people so harsh to Brian? He is speaking the truth about the state of our industry. We don't really know what Elite is up to so how can you comment on that?

I feel Brian is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He wants things to change but in order to be competitive he needs to use the cheater balls to do so.

I say give it some time and lets see what happens. I think Elite is making adjustments just like any other start up company. While I don't agree on their $300 price point they did lower the price of the PBA balls.

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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2007, 01:47:57 AM »
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i too find it ironic that Voss is saying these things when he has signed with elite. and yes the prices of the elite balls are outragous. what i find to be the oddest thing is that ,in an article in our local bowling newsletter down here in central Texas, Voss was proposing that the USBC should make stricter legalities as far as the bowling balls that are produced. He even suggested that all companies go back to a pancake core and a basic urethane coverstock. First off, nothing but urethane balls would never go over and second this is coming from a guy who, once again, is sponsored by Elite Bowling who produced balls that (supposidly) strike on every PBA pattern. The Elite PBA balls are total BS because they are suggesting that each ball is perfect on each pattern no matter what the situation is or who is throwing them. Now i will give him credit because he got it done back in the day of U Dots and Yellow Dots but if you were to hand both him and Wes Malott a U Dot and have them bowl on the Shark pattern Voss wouldn't even have a chance. I guarantee that if you ask Norm Duke if he would go back to U Dots or Blue Hammers instead of any one of the high end balls now days he would simply reply by saying,"Are you serious?" you could ask any of the guys that have been on tour that long.
i find it funny that the PBA prize fund has been cut even with the addition of Columbia and Etonic sponsorships. if i'm gonna get sick of seeing Chris Barnes or some shoes in a commercial than i wanna do it knowing that my friends on tour are bowling for real money!!!! as far as the decline of the sport goes, a very large factor in this arguement is the prices of open play. the recreational bowlers are not going to become dedicated league bowlers if they have to pay 25-30 bucks to bowl 3 games and practice to get better. (and that's being reasonable). the bowling center owners will say that prices must go up or else there is no profit being made. more BS, all of that "profit" is going towards the extra crapola that you have in the building; excessive arcade games, redemption games and prizes, and those "Entertainment Centers" with mini golf, go-carts,lazer tag and all of that stuff in the same place. of course you have to raise the prices of bowling when you have to pay the expenses of all that other useless stuff! it needs to go back to just bowling. yes, i can see a few arcade games and vending machines, but nothing outragous. if we can go back to an actual "bowling alley" then we can lower our open play rates,make plenty of money, attract more people to the sport-which goes hand in hand with selling more equipment in our proshops ...gotta show my fellow proshop guys some love

but hey, maybe that's just me?

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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2007, 06:10:06 AM »
I don't think the problem is the ball makers.  I find it is the PROPRIETORS/OWNERS! "Back in the day" most owners/proprietors cared more about taking care of their bowlers than they did about the all-mighty dollar - hense, the dollars rolled in.  Then BIG business saw it and started buying into the centers and everything has been declining ever since. They only care about how much money they can make and not about taking care of their bowlers.  Oh, sure, they SAY they care, that's why we all have the THS that allows anyone with a fairly decent ball to average 200+ now!  But those scores are NOT real! So bowlers get bored with the game and move on to something else! The PBA tour used to be the envy of bowlers everywhere because those guys were (and still are) very, very GOOD!  Now, any young punk can call himself a "GUN" because he can average 210+ easily and when he watches the pros on TV only shooting 180-something, he really believes that he can compete with them!  What a joke!

The answer, in my opinion is to change the required oil patterns to compensate for the balls (like in SPORT bowling) and find out just how tough the game really should be.  Sure, we'll lose a bunch of bowlers who can't average duece anymore, but the REAL bowlers will return from the golf courses and such!

I know, because I'm getting bored with the game!  I took the entire summer off, I bowl only once a week in league, and I'm averaging 220+!  And I'm the first to say I'm not THAT good of a bowler! Make it tougher, make me work for it, and I'd appreciate it a LOT more, and I'd be back practicing, and joining more leagues!

Just MHO!
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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2007, 07:07:52 AM »
Very interesting points from many of you.  The one thing that I find that has been overlooked is that some have hit on the what about if people had to use a UDot or plastic on today's tour conditions??? It is stated that they wouldn't be as good.  DUH!!!  The conditions put out today on tour are so different than in the era in which utilized that equipment.  

Then others have talked about the lanes being so easy in house conditions.  I would have to agree with this one in most occasions.  However, you can't have one go on without the other changing as well.  I truly believe that you would still see higher scores with older equipment on house shots with urethane or even plastic.  Yes, I know, they may not be as high as right now, but I just don't believe they would change as significantly as some might think.  Just my opinion based on some experimenting that I have done with some friends.  Now, if you changed the lane condition(not talking about as tough as PBA conditions), along with the equipment, then you have scores decrease and make it more "honest" as many have called for.  

It seems as though many think this is the answer to "save" bowling.  In my honest opinion, this actually will do the opposite.  It would kill bowling even more than now.  I can't tell you the number of times I have heard in my pro shop that the lanes were so hard tonight.  They always continue with the proverbial, "If it stays like this, I won't be bowling next year."  There are a lot more people like this than there are people like most of us who would like to see the scoring pace reduced.  Face it people, the majority of bowlers out there want to see their scores high.  Last night in my league, the lanes were very dry for what we are used to having in league.  The difference here is that they pair was filled with "better" bowlers.  Each and every one of us welcomed the challenge as we had to play parts of the lane we were not used to playing.  That was on our pair.  On the two pairs left and right of us, there was nothing but complaining going on.

Now, after that long explanation, I wish I really knew they answer to "save" bowling.  I truly don't have that answer.  I don't know if anyone does.  The one thing I will say is that I think we do need to look to the younger generation.  Many don't like to look there, but in the near future we will need them as we lose more and more bowlers for whatever reason.  

P.S.  I would like to comment on Mr. Voss' post, I just don't have the time to do so.  I need to do some work.   Besides that, I am not really sure what to believe from him as of late.  
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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2007, 07:12:35 AM »
How about this as a first step?

Seems like the bowling alleys and ball manufacturers are caught in a never ending battle where the ball manufacturers create 1 hook monster after another.  The houses combat that by putting down more oil.  Then the ball manufacturers go back to the drawing board and create another ball that will outhook the last ball they made.  The bowlers look to the ball manufacturers so that they can buy the latest "hook in a box" to combat the oil without having to really "learn" how to bowl in the oil.  Perhaps one solution might be for the houses band together and to put down "less oil" all the time.  This might force the ball manufacturers to give up creating the big hook monsters because there is no need for them.  Bowlers would need balls that hook less and would go back to the simplier pancake cores and less hooking balls such as rubber/plastic and maybe urethanes.  Instead of the grip it and rip it style, the bowlers would be more likely to learn control the hook instead of just cranking it to the max.

Whaddya think?

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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2007, 08:42:43 AM »
There's just too many things people can do with their free time in this day and age compared to 1970 to bring back the numbers bowling has seen in the past. Good luck fixing something that isn't really broken.

Focus needs to be on stealing the market share of recreation. Competitive bowlers are bred from recreation. They don't just appear.. He seems to want to separate the two groups and focus on fixing competitive bowling.


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Re: bowlersparadise.com message from Brian Voss
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2007, 08:52:07 AM »
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Focus needs to be on stealing the market share of recreation. Competitive bowlers are bred from recreation. They don't just appear.. He seems to want to separate the two groups and focus on fixing competitive bowling.



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