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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Zanatos1914 on April 15, 2014, 04:23:01 PM
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Does anybody else have this problem...
Seems like you need a drink when you are bowling league...
Makes the game less stressfull but after a while you know why you are missing pins and its because of the drinking... Each week I say - No drinking during league to myself but we never make it... One bad shot sending you over the edge and you have conversation with the bartender. lol
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not sure if my friends increased average is the results of more Crown in his glass during leagues.
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I don't care what anyone says, if ANY of the following applies to you, you have an alcohol problem and this is not me being a jerk, judgmental, etc:
1) Need a drink to "take the edge off"
2) Need a drink to "have a good time"
3) Need a drink to "relieve stress"
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Bowling league stressful?
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Drink all you like, but alcohol affects people differently. Some become mellow and relaxed, which is ok. It's the ones that become loud and obnoxious that irritate me. Just remember that most of you still need to drive home, which is a whole nother story.
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I don't care what anyone says, if ANY of the following applies to you, you have an alcohol problem and this is not me being a jerk, judgmental, etc:
1) Need a drink to "take the edge off"
2) Need a drink to "have a good time"
3) Need a drink to "relieve stress"
No, not really. A lot of people need classical music for the same reasons, and it can have the same calming effects. Just needing a highball doesn't equate addiction....just a warning sign that you're engaging in behavior that can LEAD to addiction.
The real tale of the tape is when someone's drinking creates tangible negative consequences to their life, jobs, or interpersonal relationship and drink anyway. That's alcoholism.
(Addiction counselor by trade)
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So the feeling you "need" a drink vs. just wanting a drink doesn't have negative life consequences?
Your definition of an alcohol problem sounds a little to clinical.
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I drink 4 oz. of bourbon almost everynight before the 11 o'clock news. No more no less. But, I don't drink and bowl. A glass of Marker's or if I'm coughing, a glass of AAA 10 Star does it with its minty sharp taste. Marker's hits me in the chest, but aahhh...later
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i drink whisky when I bowl but never to excess, I can bowl with out it if I need to no big deal. If you are drinking so much that you can't concentrate on your game and give pins IMO that is a problem
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I don't care what anyone says, if ANY of the following applies to you, you have an alcohol problem and this is not me being a jerk, judgmental, etc:
1) Need a drink to "take the edge off"
2) Need a drink to "have a good time"
3) Need a drink to "relieve stress"
No, not really. A lot of people need classical music for the same reasons, and it can have the same calming effects. Just needing a highball doesn't equate addiction....just a warning sign that you're engaging in behavior that can LEAD to addiction.
The real tale of the tape is when someone's drinking creates tangible negative consequences to their life, jobs, or interpersonal relationship and drink anyway. That's alcoholism.
(Addiction counselor by trade)
I disagree, if you want a drink, just cause, thats fine. Any reason thats tied to the drink, in my unprofessional opinion has underlying issues.
Last I checked, listening to classical music never destroyed families, lives, or killed people. But maybe I missed that memo.
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I'm the opposite. If I'm out having a good time with friends, I'll have a drink. After a tournament or league, I'll have a drink. If the lights are on, I refrain UNLESS my neck is really tight, then I'll have a screwdriver to relax. That's it. If you need to drink during competition, something just ain't right.
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I'm on both sides here. I think if you NEED something like alcohol for a certain purpose, you probably ought to reign that in, but I don't think that a drink or two at league to unwind will destroy my family, life, or cause me to kill anyone . .
I used to need a few drinks to calm my head down so I could bowl, now I don't, but one or two helps. Some people have extra routines or rituals, some take a few aspirin or ibuprofen, some drink a certain kind of pop or an energy drink, etc. The very nature of alcohol is to relax you. Just like anything else, if taken to extremes, it will be dangerous, but there's a big difference between needing something and using something to your advantage. If a drink zones me in, I'm going to have one. Not because I need it, because it helps.
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I drink 3-4 beers during league and still average close to 220. It's my night out with my friends, i like to enjoy myself.
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Does ice water count?
Sometimes I'll "take a walk on the wild side" and mix a Zip Fizz in it if I need energy, but almost always it's just water. I bowl later (second shift scratch league) and I don't want any caffeine in me, or I'll be running to the rest room all night. Wait til you get to my age and you'll understand.
I don't care what anyone else drinks as long as they don't spill it. Amazing how many adults should be drinking their beer in sippy cups... ;)
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Caffiene makes me paranoid and jittery lol, can't handle that stuff at all.
Does ice water count?
Sometimes I'll "take a walk on the wild side" and mix a Zip Fizz in it if I need energy, but almost always it's just water. I bowl later (second shift scratch league) and I don't want any caffeine in me, or I'll be running to the rest room all night. Wait til you get to my age and you'll understand.
I don't care what anyone else drinks as long as they don't spill it. Amazing how many adults should be drinking their beer in sippy cups... ;)
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I have a drink or two to "knock the edge off"........but the thing is, I really don't have any alcohol problem at all. I don't really ever drink unless I'm out bowling or playing poker, and in that case it is 1-2, 3 at absolute most. It does relax me.
I just never have been the biggest drinker ever. It is all recreational for me.
I would say that I enjoy the drink just b/c, however the relaxation is more of an added benefit as opposed to that being "the reason". I CHOOSE to have a drink as opposed to "need".
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I drink when I bowl. In fact, sometimes I even get drunk! Oh NO!
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That about sums it up for me now too. Some nights I don't even drink if I don't feel like it, other times I drink just because I want something to drink haha. I used to plan the stuff out, like I'd get a double Wild Turkey and Coke a half hour before league so I'd be all sauced up and ready to go.
I have a drink or two to "knock the edge off"........but the thing is, I really don't have any alcohol problem at all. I don't really ever drink unless I'm out bowling or playing poker, and in that case it is 1-2, 3 at absolute most. It does relax me.
I just never have been the biggest drinker ever. It is all recreational for me.
I would say that I enjoy the drink just b/c, however the relaxation is more of an added benefit as opposed to that being "the reason". I CHOOSE to have a drink as opposed to "need".
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I often go w/a simple Mello Yellow or Sunkist.
To each their own I suppose.
That about sums it up for me now too. Some nights I don't even drink if I don't feel like it, other times I drink just because I want something to drink haha. I used to plan the stuff out, like I'd get a double Wild Turkey and Coke a half hour before league so I'd be all sauced up and ready to go.
I have a drink or two to "knock the edge off"........but the thing is, I really don't have any alcohol problem at all. I don't really ever drink unless I'm out bowling or playing poker, and in that case it is 1-2, 3 at absolute most. It does relax me.
I just never have been the biggest drinker ever. It is all recreational for me.
I would say that I enjoy the drink just b/c, however the relaxation is more of an added benefit as opposed to that being "the reason". I CHOOSE to have a drink as opposed to "need".
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It depends on what league I'm bowling.
My high dollar mens league I don't drink, just water. I want my head clear.
My other two leagues I will drink as they are more of fun leagues, but that only means I will drink 2 or 3 beers and no more. I still have to drive home and I do not want a DUI.
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I used to drink when I bowled. A lot. My average went up 15 pins when I stopped. Not all of that is attributed to not drinking, but most of the 3rd game improvement is.
I generally don't drink at all unless I'm on vacation anymore and I don't have to drive (Vegas, Reno, cruise, etc). Maybe if I move somewhere with taxi options, but it's not worth the risk for me.
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I second what Joe Cool and seven mentioned.
That is why I limit to 2 per NIGHT....it's not even worth a DUI.
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The wife and I bowl in league together so some nights I have a few and she drives, other nights the oposite. I can say 100% without question I dont have a problem with alcohol or any other substance but some nights I NEED a drink to help me relax if im bowling like crap, and it usually helps me bowl better or at least not care and just have a good time. If I didnt have that drink would I become cranky, fall apart and start shaking from withdrawls? uh no! But thats because im not an alcoholic and dont drink because of addiction, I could take it or leave it but its a choice not a necessity.
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I have mental strength and willpower (control over myself) with the ability to delay gratification, so I tend to not let these things be issues.
That's just me though.
I don't think northface is that far off (in fact I agree w/him very often), I think it (the discussion) has to do with the blurred line between "need" and "choose".
We have to define terms.
Every physiology is different.
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I find this to be like having a headache and needing aspirin or something. No you won't die if you don't have it, but you use certain things to achieve certain results. Sometimes you can tap a nail in with the butt of a screwdriver, and sometimes you need a big ass hammer . .
The wife and I bowl in league together so some nights I have a few and she drives, other nights the oposite. I can say 100% without question I dont have a problem with alcohol or any other substance but some nights I NEED a drink to help me relax if im bowling like crap, and it usually helps me bowl better or at least not care and just have a good time. If I didnt have that drink would I become cranky, fall apart and start shaking from withdrawls? uh no! But thats because im not an alcoholic and dont drink because of addiction, I could take it or leave it but its a choice not a necessity.
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So the feeling you "need" a drink vs. just wanting a drink doesn't have negative life consequences?
Your definition of an alcohol problem sounds a little to clinical.
First, define "need". When most people say that they're really saying "Strongly prefers" or "Is a crab ass unless he gets".
No, needing a drink doesn't make you an alcoholic....unless your drinking causes negative outcomes and you do it anyway.
Needing an aspirin doesn't make you an aspirin addict, it means you're strongly desiring one for a desired outcome...that in and of itself does not equate addiction. It's the habitual action of taking it that results in problems, and your continuing to do this action that would land you in my office.
Not just needing something. We all have "needs" for getting through the day, that run the gamut of dependency, so it's not worthwhile to say the need is the addiction because need varies, and so does outcome.
You have to rely on some sort of clinical line.
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So the feeling you "need" a drink vs. just wanting a drink doesn't have negative life consequences?
Your definition of an alcohol problem sounds a little to clinical.
First, define "need". When most people say that they're really saying "Strongly prefers" or "Is a crab ass unless he gets".
No, needing a drink doesn't make you an alcoholic....unless your drinking causes negative outcomes and you do it anyway.
Needing an aspirin doesn't make you an aspirin addict, it means you're strongly desiring one for a desired outcome...that in and of itself does not equate addiction. It's the habitual action of taking it that results in problems, and your continuing to do this action that would land you in my office.
Not just needing something. We all have "needs" for getting through the day, that run the gamut of dependency, so it's not worthwhile to say the need is the addiction because need varies, and so does outcome.
You have to rely on some sort of clinical line.
Im more concerned (so is my wife) with my "need" to continue buying more bowling balls!! lol
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I can't relate drinking alcohol to taking an aspirin. I've never gotten the warm, fuzzy feeling from 4 or 5 aspirin.
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Someone mention a screwdriver???
To all the drinkers that don't have an addition or problem, try Tito's Handmade Vodka. DANG IS IT TASTY!!!
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I dont normally drink while on leagues.(Although i dont think my teammates have ever actually bowled while sober)
Although now that i think about it, my highest scores of this year on Wednesday (two 277s and 1 279) came after mixed drinks and jello shots.
Maybe i should drink more ;D
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I have a theory on people getting wasted at the bowling alley due to what they have to deal with once they get home from the bowling alley.
Thus why I never want a wife and kids.
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I have a theory on people getting wasted at the bowling alley due to what they have to deal with once they get home from the bowling alley.
Thus why I never want a wife and kids.
Bahaha!
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I can't relate drinking alcohol to taking an aspirin. I've never gotten the warm, fuzzy feeling from 4 or 5 aspirin.
It wasn't a direct comparison, it was about the desire to have something for an outcome not the way the outcome feels. How was that not clear?
Look, if you want to cling to your definition fine have at it. It's apparent you aren't interested in any other way of seeing it.
Nothing new in my line of work.
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I see it your way, I just would have expected a more conservative approach in the clinical definitions. There has to be a definition so it its not just opinion vs. opinion. It seems there is no such thing as a problem drinker and it's straight to alcoholic. I think the "feeling the need" could be a slippery slope.
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In this country, unlike others, participants in a national championship tournament are allowed to consume alcoholic beverages during competition.
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I never drink while I bowl. I find it causes a lack of concentration. Concentration is something I work on all the time. I do enjoy having drinks and talking to my friends and fellow bowlers afterward, tho!
I will say that one of my friends can easily drink 12 or more beers each night during league. Sometimes it doesn't affect him that much (depending on whether he ate before he bowled) but he has seen his average slowly drop over the last few years and at tournaments on more demanding shots he usually can't come close to his average. So yes, it does affect some.
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I consider it somewhat like a bell curve. For those that drink during league on a regular basis, their performance generally goes up after the first drink or 2 "to take the edge off". Bowling is alot of muscle memory, so being in the same state of mind is important. The problem is finding the continued state of mind at the peak, before you start falling down the other side of the curve. So too many drinks is bad for performance, but if thats your thing, have fun and be safe. Afterall, most people aren't bowling league for the money, it's for the fun.
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I guess I must be an exception then. Whenever I drink, I concentrate MORE.
Everyone else suddenly seems on the periphery, and tuned out. Hell I bowled my first 300 game with a serious buzz on!
I was so locked in, after throwing my last strike, I had no clue I was in the 10th frame, and I couldn't figure out why people were congratulating me.
To each his own. It relaxes me.