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usedtobowl

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Bowling has lost it's integrity
« on: November 22, 2017, 12:35:00 PM »
   I started bowling in the 60's. We had 7 centers in our town of 150,000 that were full with 2 shifts every night. Now 3 centers quite empty most the time. Pro bowling on TV was one of highest rated shows on ABC, what is it now. I believe its due in part to the  ridiculous easy scoring for league bowlers. The resin era has not been good for the sport. I believe the ball companies are to blame, they saw the money being made in the golf industry and wanted the same.  They failed to look at the dynamics, in golf you can give a bogey golfer the newest high tech clubs and he is still a bogey golfer. The only real way to improve is with better technique through practice. The last year I bowled was the first year of resin 1994, I can remember it was fun at first just standing left and throwing at the gutter and watching it come back and rip the rack like Mark Roth. Later I realized I struck even when I wasn't close to my mark or if the ball had slipped of my hand with no lift. My avg went from 190 to 220. It was hard to watch 160 avg bowlers now hit 700's without practice with terrible form  and brag about it. We used to look up to the pros who could ave 200, and turn in every week for a tip. Now you don't have to learn how to change your roll, loft, speed to adjust to lanes, just change balls. I know bowlers wont give up these balls and go back to rubber and plastic, but it would be good for the sport.

 

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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2017, 03:02:49 PM »
 I used to feel much the same way. Then, I realized something.

Bowling never had much integrity to begin with.

 Honestly, bowling has ALWAYS had a preference, and was never truly fair.

 In the 40’s, 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s, it favored the straighter player, and the people who threw a “full roller” had an edge of sorts. It allowed them to do things and play areas successfully that others couldn’t.

 Then came the 80’s, and the advent of the power game. Lane surfaces changed from shellac, to lacquer, then to urethane. As this evolution happened, the environment changed and started to favor an entirely different type of bowler, and the old guys from to 50’s and 60’s cried FOUL. But, it happened anyway.

 Now, lanes are synthetic, and oil has become artificially created lubricating “conditioners” that are slicker than ever before. Balls have covers that work on a different physics principle than mechanical friction, and now, bowling has started to favor an entirely different paradigm of bowler than it did in the 80’s and 90’s.  And we, as the new “old guys”, cried FOUL.

 But, there was no foul, only change. Time changes ALL things, and that includes bowling.

 Bowling, as a sport, may not long endure, but bowling, as a game, has survived for millennia.

 The sport is at the mercy of the game, and that is as it should be. If enough people have fun at the game, the sport will, perhaps, survive.
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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2017, 03:09:11 PM »
There is another part of the original poster's argument that deserves discussion: the notion of integrity.  What does the word actually mean with respect to bowling?  Here's a dictionary definition of integrity: "1 : firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility. 2 : an unimpaired condition : soundness. 3 : the quality or state of being complete or undivided : completeness" (Mirriam-Webster Online).

The second definition woul seem to be what people mean when they talk about bowling integrity. But it's worth while to think about when bowling was ever played in an environment we would call "an unimpaired condition."  The game didn't even have a standard ball size, pin size, or scoring rules until 1895. In the Eighteenth and nineteenth century bowling alleys were primarily in taverns or saloons. Throughout the modern era bowling pins have had a permissable weight variance, which made a huge difference in scoring conditions. Gutters have always had a permissable height variance, which also made scoring conditions different. I also have been bowling since the early 1960s (really the 1950s if you count my bantam career). There have always been easy shots, bowling balls that hooked more or less, inequality on the left and right side -- none of these are new issues that have anything to do with the level of league participation.

I can understand longing for a version of the game one remembers from the past. I would love to play on a tracked out wood lane where I could use my Jubilere and Randolph Classic. But take that for what it is -- nostalgia -- and it is fueled by selective memory. There really was never a time when bowling was the sport you are imagining it to be.  In fact, if you honestly assess the athleticism of the players in today's power game, there is reason to believe that bowling has never been as much of a sport as it is in the current era.

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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2017, 03:43:13 PM »
The business of bowling and the sport of bowling are at opposite ends. If the business tries to promote the sport, either they lose revenue, or go back to easy. The average person doesn't want to grind or work on their game. They go to the center to have fun and feel better about themselves. Everyone is a winner, everyone gets easy conditions, business is happy.

The game of bowling has to thrive for the sport of bowling to have a chance. Bottom line.

GTFO with your "facts" and "logic".   ::)  :P

This is about feelings and emotions and complaining.

Oh, my bad. Allow me to adjust my thinking.

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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2017, 03:57:40 PM »
   Your right you don't need to lift or much of anything anymore to throw strikes. I have gone out recently and watched bowlers dump the ball almost waist high  with no follow through and still bomb the pins.

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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2017, 04:29:26 PM »
So somebody that hasn't participated in the game in 23 years has an opinion that matters?
 

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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2017, 07:27:28 PM »
I dont enjoy watching bowlers in the 1950s with "ok' form spinning the ball between 2nd and 3rd arrow shooting 680 plus on tv. 

So I choose not to watch it. There's still a big difference between pro bowlers and those who spray the lanes.  Every bowler years ago wasn't as great,  as knowledgeable,  or as versatile as some choose to remember.
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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2017, 09:58:49 PM »
Complain Complain. No solutions just complaining
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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2017, 09:59:19 PM »
Bowlers and the game have evolved. People overlook the talent and ability of today to focus on the lesser bowlers.

What some of these guys and gals score on today at nationals, and other tournaments is beyond impressive. Too many refuse to accept these changes.  All sports and athletes have evolved. Don't write off the talent just because the equipment is better. The athletes are better as well. 

That doesn't mean those from years past weren't great, weren't competitive, weren't athletes. It also doesn't  mean there wasn't plenty of lesser talent.
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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2017, 04:55:22 AM »
Bowlers and the game have evolved.

 I don’t think it is the bowlers as much as it is the game. Lots of information out there, but few who understand it, and fewer still that can actually use it.

 I had a problem with things changing for a while, because I couldn’t see the bigger picture. Bowling isn’t just now changing, it has been changing for over 4000 years. It is only natural that it would continue to change.

 Integrity is little more than a myopic viewpoint. It was my contention that bowling was perfect in the late 1970’s and 80’s, but that, I finally figured out, was only true from the point of view of bowlers like me that fit the paradigm bowling needed at that time.

 Many consider today’s environment as “perfect” for the same reason, because it favors some strong point in their game that lets them exploit things to their advantage.

 Bowling has changed from a child’s game played in the dirt, to a sophisticated, technologically advanced one, but it is still, at its heart, a game.

 I, personally, wish time had stopped for bowling around 1990, but it did not. It was hard to accept that things changed around me that took away my advantage, at least until I stopped long enough to realize it wasn’t the first time it has happened, and probably not the last one either.

 I bowl three games a week now. THREE, that’s pretty much it, yet I still average around 200-210. What the hell do I really have to complain about?

 You know the part of technology I like least in bowling now? DAMN SWITCHGRIPS.

 You can’t hardly buy a decent used ball without one, and they leave a gaping hole when you remove them for plugging.
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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2017, 05:35:08 AM »
   Yes bowling wasn't always fair, I didn't enjoy bowling on reverse blocked lanes, or when your ball rolled out half way down and then went straight. But we dealt with those things. Before resin I never bowled on a shot where the ball would go down so far and hook so hard at the back end, makes scoring too easy. There used to be a 300 game every couple of years in town. We used to stop and watch when a bowler started with 4 strikes in a row. Now there is a 300 bowled every day in town. Before resin you had to do a lot of things right to strike and were thrilled with a strike. After resin you were disappointed if you didn't strike. If golf allowed golf balls we could hit 300 yards with a 3 quarter swing and let us switch balls after each shot to a ball that would hook or slice where an average golfer could score like a pro, I would say golf had lot its integrity. But golf has the USGA which tests clubs and balls to ensure integrity. Where was that in bowling?

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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2017, 07:02:11 AM »
Getoffmylawn...I mean usedtobowl,

If you think it was hard for you to watch the 160's shoot 700 how do you think it was for those of us that were 220 that saw people like you go from 190 to 220?

It's time to stop being bitter about the game passing you by. 

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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2017, 08:29:35 AM »
300 every day.  Wow,  that's impressive. Our center only has one 300 this season. 
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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2017, 08:35:00 AM »
Getoffmylawn...I mean usedtobowl,

If you think it was hard for you to watch the 160's shoot 700 how do you think it was for those of us that were 220 that saw people like you go from 190 to 220?

It's time to stop being bitter about the game passing you by. 

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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2017, 09:25:05 AM »
The game doesn't have to pass any of us by.  It's a matter of attitude and perspective.  If we bowl because it's fun then that is a good enough reason. 

If we bowl to prove our athletic prowess or dominance over another person or team we're setting ourselves up for disappointment.  There will always be that person or team who is just having their career night against us.  Accept it, congratulate them, and help them to enjoy their night. 

I'm still able to compete well most nights, but there are some nights when I'm not on my "A game".  It happens.  Instead of thinking of excuses as to why I wasn't great, or why someone else was, I try to remember that I'm doing this for recreation and to enjoy time with friends.  It's not always about winning or losing.  Half the bowlers "win" every night and the other half "lose". 

On any given night after league you can watch bowlers hang around and either brag or complain.  There is rarely someone doing anything inbetween...  The drive home is either "cloud 9" or searching for answers and looking for a reason why we didn't shoot 900.  Our expectations have become unrealistic at times.

Accept the game as a challenge and accept the results (good or bad) as part of the challenge.  If our self-esteem is in direct proportion to our score for the night we're gonna need lots of happy pills to cope.

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Re: Bowling has lost it's integrity
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2017, 11:55:51 AM »
I also started bowling in the 60s and I couldn't disagree more with the premise of the original post.  Decline in league bowling has nothing to do with scoring levels. 

There have been 3 major technological events during my 50+ years in the game the radically impacted the style needed to be successful.  First was the change from lacquer to urethane and later synthetic lane surfaces .  thus change actually precipitated the two later events namely the introduction if urethane, and subsequently resin enhanced urethane balls.  Through all these changes the players who were able to adapt to the newer environment were most able to compete. 

Has the potential scoring level increased?  Of course, but the impact if younger bowlers becoming much more knowledgeable and skilled is always under rated.

Bottom line nobody ever quit bowling because the game got too easy, but quite a few quit because it got to east for the other guy