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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: L3nn0n on March 27, 2015, 09:40:23 AM
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Well, yesterday in my league we were supposed to be bowling on lanes 7-8. I don't know why, but all the teams were moved one pair to the left, so we ended bowling in 5-6. The teams that were supposed to bowl on 3-4 were moved to the other side of the building and bowled on 25-26. We let the secretary and the president know about it and we asked why we were gonna bowl on different lanes than the scheduled and they said it was a "computer glitch".
I don't have any complain about this. But my teammates do. They said that it is against USBC rules, blah, blah, blah and that they were gonna complain with them and that they were gonna try to invalidate yesterdays results. By the way we only won one game lol. My question is, do they have a case here? I mean, I don't want to complain, but since we are (or we were) first place until yesterday and the league is about to end, I guess they are gonna give it a try.
We lost 2 games with three of us bowling 675, 675 and 680. They had one "sub" with 164 average after nine games and he bowled 225, 243 and 210. Hard to beat that, isn't it?
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IDK about the rule on that. If it was mechanical failure so be it. But since everyone was moved, they all had to deal with it.
More of an issue is did you have a "bagger" sub on the other team, more than anything.
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I find it hard to believe that that situation would be illegal, but you never know what reason they (the USBC) might come with.
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Bowlers being bowlers. Even golfers don't whine and cry about nothing like bowlers.
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I know. I don't mind about being moving to another lanes, our butt would've been kicked in 5-6 or in 7-8 with that sandbagger on that team. But my teammates complained before the league started because we bowled on those lanes last week and they hate it them even when we won all games. What pissed me off is that we did our best, we bowled pretty good, all of us bowled at least 10 pins above our average and we won nothing! NONE! I asked this guy what his real average was after having the first six in the second game because a 164 can't bowl the way he was... He got unconfortable and then I made a joke to break the ice and let things go... Next shot, he missed with a 7-10 hehe...
I would never complain for something like switching lanes. It wasn't a mechanical failure of any of the lanes. It was just a "computer glitch" on the schedule... But if they complain, I hope we can do something about it, just because of that son of a b***h they had on their team. He had 800 series handicap! How can I beat that even when I bowled 205, 246 and 225???
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I hear ya! I had a 690 last night, with 248 in game 2 and that was the one we lost. Took 3 of 4 points, so can't complain. Really sounds like a bagger sub though...
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As long as you bowl on lanes it doesnt matter which. Bowlers are f%cktarded as they come.
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I don't have any complain about this. But my teammates do. They said that it is against USBC rules, blah, blah, blah and that they were gonna complain with them and that they were gonna try to invalidate yesterdays results.
Please cite the rule they're invoking.....
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There are no USBC rules that state what lane you must bowl on every week. Refer to Chapter 4 of the USBC Rule Book. It is completely up to the league how lanes are assigned each week.
If your teammates would have shot lights out and won all your games, would they still complain? My guess is probably not.
Excuses only benefit the person saying them.
Better luck next week.
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What pissed me off is that we did our best, we bowled pretty good, all of us bowled at least 10 pins above our average and we won nothing! NONE!
I shot 755 (with 15 strikes in a row - FIGJAM!) last week and lost to a guy who shot 772. Not only that but I did not make anything in any of the high game pots or the eliminator.
And you know what? It happens. I bowled well, just not as good as the other guy (or other people in the pots/eliminator). Next time, I'll try just as hard and see if I get a better outcome. Winning is not the only thing that marks success in life.
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I don't have any complain about this. But my teammates do. They said that it is against USBC rules, blah, blah, blah and that they were gonna complain with them and that they were gonna try to invalidate yesterdays results. By the way we only won one game lol. My question is, do they have a case here?
This has came up before in the forums, As long you and the team you bowled against are on the same pair of lanes it's legal.
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If your league has a 10 pin rule check to be sure the average the sub used was correct. -- JohnP
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There are no USBC rules that state what lane you must bowl on every week. Refer to Chapter 4 of the USBC Rule Book. It is completely up to the league how lanes are assigned each week.
I know, it was a rhetorical question in a sense. :P
One the OP should ask his teammates and report the literal answers he gets. ;D ;D ;D
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I am only saying this as devil's advocate:
If the league schedule was correct, suppose to bowl on 7 & 8, then according to Rule 106a you have to bowl on 7 & 8.
106a. Series - How Bowled
Two lanes immediately adjoining each other shall be used in each game of league play. The first game of a series shall start on the lane where the team is scheduled with each succeeding game starting on the lane where the team finished its previous game. At the option of the league, each game or frame may be bowled on a different pair of lanes.
Key phrase "shall start on the lane where the team is scheduled."
Rule 100a. also states something to the same affect:
100a. Qualifications
USBC will certify leagues participating in the game of American tenpins with the following provisions:
1. All leagues must meet the following requirements:
a. Apply for certification through the local association in whose jurisdiction it bowls.
b. Consist of four or more teams with the playing strength of one or more players per team as determined by league rule.
c. Bowl in accordance with a prearranged schedule based on the number of teams in the league.
d. Adopt rules and prize list (if any). (See Rule 117a and Rule 122.) (Suggested adult and youth league rules can be found on BOWL.com.)
e. All players seeking membership must be qualified under the bylaws of USBC. (See USBC Introduction, Chapter 1.)
f. Provide for the designation of a team champion by the games bowled in scheduled competition.
g. Govern themselves by USBC rules. Other rules may be added, but must not conflict with USBC rules.
Just sayin' ;)
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I am only saying this as devil's advocate:
If the league schedule was correct, suppose to bowl on 7 & 8, then according to Rule 106a you have to bowl on 7 & 8.
106a. Series - How Bowled
Two lanes immediately adjoining each other shall be used in each game of league play. The first game of a series shall start on the lane where the team is scheduled with each succeeding game starting on the lane where the team finished its previous game. At the option of the league, each game or frame may be bowled on a different pair of lanes.
Key phrase "shall start on the lane where the team is scheduled."
Rule 100a. also states something to the same affect:
100a. Qualifications
USBC will certify leagues participating in the game of American tenpins with the following provisions:
1. All leagues must meet the following requirements:
a. Apply for certification through the local association in whose jurisdiction it bowls.
b. Consist of four or more teams with the playing strength of one or more players per team as determined by league rule.
c. Bowl in accordance with a prearranged schedule based on the number of teams in the league.
d. Adopt rules and prize list (if any). (See Rule 117a and Rule 122.) (Suggested adult and youth league rules can be found on BOWL.com.)
e. All players seeking membership must be qualified under the bylaws of USBC. (See USBC Introduction, Chapter 1.)
f. Provide for the designation of a team champion by the games bowled in scheduled competition.
g. Govern themselves by USBC rules. Other rules may be added, but must not conflict with USBC rules.
Just sayin' ;)
They never told me which rule they were talking about... But now, it looks like they can argue based on what you showed us, correct? Wow! Are you a lawyer? lol :)
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Rule 106a is about how "a Series is bowled". Basically where a team should start bowling on the pair of lanes. Its more of starting right side or left side.
Rule 100a is what defines a league. League must have scheduled matches. It doesn't state scheduled lanes for matches.
You are reading into these rules too much.
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As long as you bowl on lanes it doesnt matter which. Bowlers are f%cktarded as they come.
I know, the result would probably be the same in lanes 7-8 or in 17-18, but they complained before the league started...
There are no USBC rules that state what lane you must bowl on every week. Refer to Chapter 4 of the USBC Rule Book. It is completely up to the league how lanes are assigned each week.
If your teammates would have shot lights out and won all your games, would they still complain? My guess is probably not.
Excuses only benefit the person saying them.
Better luck next week.
Thanks. But as I said before, they complained before the league started, not after we got our asses kicked lol
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Good stuff here.......and, if the facts support it, I'll revise my opinion.
I think the question now becomes: What is meant by "where the team is scheduled". Is the authority on this a) what the standing sheet assigns and/or b) does the house have the authority schedule the lanes (in the event of mechanical/scoring issues) in a different manner than what is originally planned?
So in essence, if I'm the house owner, and I have a computer glitch and I re-assign the lanes, ARE YOU SCHEDULED on the lanes I (the house owner) have assigned at that point OR are the lanes on the standing sheet an absolute MUST?
Am I (the house owner) the authority on the lanes used OR is that sheet? Example: You're to bowl on lanes 3-4 but I (owner) have re-assigned you to lanes 1-2.
1) Do I have that right as owner?
2) If you are re-scheduled, have you become "scheduled"?
Damn..........I'll let you all ponder this. :P :P :P :P :P
Good debate tho..... :)
My opinion: I'll bowl on any pair as both teams are facing the same conditions. I simply do not care enough to fight this fight (unlike OP's friends).
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Rule 106a is about how "a Series is bowled". Basically where a team should start bowling on the pair of lanes. Its more of starting right side or left side.
Rule 100a is what defines a league. League must have scheduled matches. It doesn't state scheduled lanes for matches.
You are reading into these rules too much.
When I hear "Bowl in accordance with a prearranged schedule based on the number of teams in the league" I am thinking it means there is a schedule set up based on the number of teams. The league then tells each team which lanes they are to bowl on. If you get to the center and the center has mistakenly switched the lanes, then it is up to the center to correct it and set the teams up based on the prearranged schedule.
By not adhering to a set schedule including lane assignments, then what prevents teams from bowling on any pair of lanes? I know that is extreme, but if a bowler works at the center and they hate 1 & 2, what prevents them from having a "computer glitch" and now they are on 17 & 18? The schedule includes who you bowl against and where.
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......Good debate tho..... :)
My opinion: I'll bowl on any pair as both teams are facing the same conditions. I simply do not care enough to fight this fight (unlike OP's friends).
And this is where I stand personally. But I can kinda understand the issues the OP's teammates have. If I am forced to bowl on 1 & 2 at my center when in reality I am "scheduled" to bowl on a different pair, I might say something. Those lanes are horrendous compared to the rest.
But if there is a true issue with my originally assigned lanes, then all bets are off. I would be put on whatever is available and I have always accepted that.
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USBC will state the league is fine starting on any lanes they choose and unless theres a league rule that says otherwise the scores stand.
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Sometimes "computer glitches" may happen. My question is why wouldn't the center either
A) fix it before you started bowling (if that was possible) or
B) just manually enter the names into the computer system and bowl on the correct lanes.
I'm assuming of course that this was a computer problem within their league software and not a machine mechanical problem where that pair or other pairs couldn't be used.
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......Good debate tho..... :)
My opinion: I'll bowl on any pair as both teams are facing the same conditions. I simply do not care enough to fight this fight (unlike OP's friends).
And this is where I stand personally. But I can kinda understand the issues the OP's teammates have. If I am forced to bowl on 1 & 2 at my center when in reality I am "scheduled" to bowl on a different pair, I might say something. Those lanes are horrendous compared to the rest.
But if there is a true issue with my originally assigned lanes, then all bets are off. I would be put on whatever is available and I have always accepted that.
We have a similar viewpoint. I will say that, while the lanes may be horrendous in comparison to the rest (as we have a center that is very similar) both teams are still facing the same conditions....so each individual team doesn't really have an edge over the other (unless there's a talent gap, then there is a point to be made).
One thing that I do wonder, is why OP's friends are so adamant? What fuels this zeal to the point they're ready to make a federal case about it? It's league......
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There wasn't anything wrong with any lanes, they just said it was a "computer glitch" on the schedule. So, teams 1 and 2 were supposed to bowl on 3-4, teams 3 and 4 on 5-6 and us (teams 5 and 6) on 7-8. We never used lanes 1 and 2 on league. So what they did, they moved all of us one pair to the left and teams 1 and 2 were moved to the other side, lanes 25 and 26. My teammates complained before we even started practice, they talked with both the secretary and the president of the league and they said it was just a computer glitch. So, the question is: at the end of the day the outcome would be the same? Yeah, probably. But something was wrong since there wasn't any good reason to move us from one pair to another. I don't really understand why they complained before practice, but then after the sandbagger and everything else happened, I think they were even more mad about that and I guess they are trying to find a way to nullify what happened yesterday.
I don't know if there is a chance or not and frankly whatever happens, would be fine. But there was a mistake, and someone (president, secretary or whatever) needs to explain what happened. Because as someone said earlier, what if one guy on team 1 hates bowling on lane 3 and 4? I mean... You get my point, right?
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I highly doubt that the center is going to go through all that trouble to switch lanes for every team for that night based on 1 persons liking of a pair or not.... I just dont ever see that happening.. If you guys had such an issue before u even started bowling, I ask the question? Why did you even bowl then that night? You still had the oppertunity to reschedule before you even threw a ball to post bowl later on in the week if it was such an issue for your team to be bowling on lANES 5 & 6 then what you thought the lanes you was to be bowling on LANES 7 & 8.. The score will stand and there wont be any changes in the standings.. If I had the issue you guys did, That would of put a little more fire in me to of wanted to bowl even better being your team was still in 1st place before the night started. It happens, its just a part of bowling. I guess u guys should of bowled better then what u did. What it really comes down to is, they bowled better than your team that night and won, plan and simple. theres always next week :)
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I highly doubt that the center is going to go through all that trouble to switch lanes for every team for that night based on 1 persons liking of a pair or not.... I just dont ever see that happening.. If you guys had such an issue before u even started bowling, I ask the question? Why did you even bowl then that night? You still had the oppertunity to reschedule before you even threw a ball to post bowl later on in the week if it was such an issue for your team to be bowling on lANES 5 & 6 then what you thought the lanes you was to be bowling on LANES 7 & 8.. The score will stand and there wont be any changes in the standings.. If I had the issue you guys did, That would of put a little more fire in me to of wanted to bowl even better being your team was still in 1st place before the night started. It happens, its just a part of bowling. I guess u guys should of bowled better then what u did. What it really comes down to is, they bowled better than your team that night and won, plan and simple. theres always next week :)
Bowl better? I have 205 average in that league and I bowled 225 average. My other teammate with 206 average had 225 average too. One teammate with 194 average ended with 227 average, the other one with 182 ended with 205 average and the low man with 178 ended with 190 average... I ask again, BOWL BETTER? When you bowl against a sub with only 6 games with a crappy 164 average and bowls 225, 243 and 210 it is pretty hard to beat that. We won none of the games! If you think we need to bowl better next time, think again.
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LOL IM sure 1 of you guys missed a spare here or there in each game which might of made a difference between winning or losing... By the looks of it, the guy with the lowest avg on the other team bowled the best and he must of done something right to be able to bowl what he bowled or maybe he just got lucky, It happens but it shows even a blind squarl (or a 164 avg bowler gets lucky once in a while ) finds a nut!!! you should of given the guy some credit for bowling as well as he did instead of being so pissed because he beat your team pretty much by himself... unless your league votes in a 10 pin rule youll have to deal with bowlers like this. we bowled the last place team last week ( there their to have fun and dont care if they win or lose ) they bowled out there butts and won every game from us ( 1st time they said they won every game in the last 3 seasons ) was i upset because they was bowling 35-40 pins over there avg each game heck no. I just kept saying you guys should play the lottery tonight. do u or I think they will win every game again tonight? Most likely not but anythings possible. welcome to the BOWLING WORLD ;)
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Just looking at the numbers. A 678 series doesn't seem so unreachable for a 164 average bowler to get (especially on a house shot). Think about it. Just add 50 pins to both scores. Do that and its a 214 average bowler throwing a 728 series.
I am sure this is a common occurence in many league nights across the country.
Yeah it sucks that he threw the scores against you, but I am sure you and your team have had awesome nights too.
Give the other team the credit they deserve. Your team needs to take the loss.
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USBC will state the league is fine starting on any lanes they choose and unless theres a league rule that says otherwise the scores stand.
Exactly. It's clowns making mountains out of molehills like this that make people not want to be league officers. Absolutely ridiculous. Did the whole leage bowl on lanes oiled in the same manner? Yes? Case closed.
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USBC will state the league is fine starting on any lanes they choose and unless theres a league rule that says otherwise the scores stand.
Exactly. It's clowns making mountains out of molehills like this that make people not want to be league officers. Absolutely ridiculous. Did the whole leage bowl on lanes oiled in the same manner? Yes? Case closed.
Mr douche has spoken. Case closed.
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That would be Mr. Common Sense to you, whiner.
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So what do you propose (using 20/20 hindsight), L3nn0n, WAS the correct solution to the lane assignment question, in a utopian league?
Everyone in league that night bowls on the standing sheet assigned lanes, and goes manual scoring like back in 58'......? ???
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Change thread title to "Somebody bowled way over average against me and I'm mad"
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Change thread title to "Somebody bowled way over average against me and I'm mad"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA ;D :D :) ;) 8) ::)
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It's a handicap league,that stuff happens. To fix that problem join a scratch league 😆
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Change thread title to "Somebody bowled way over average against me and I'm mad"
You are so stupid that you can't even read do you? I ain't mad. I bowled pretty good. My teammates were the ones who complained, not me. Good luck next time, troll.
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That would be Mr. Common Sense to you, whiner.
You are one of a kind. I feel sorry for you, but at the same time you really make me laugh. You always act like a tough (internet) guy, trash talking, bashing other posts, complaining or always attacking, but I guess you are doing that because you need some attention. You act like you are Mr Chris Barnes Jr. When sometimes you ask the most stupid questions that any freaking white trash knows the answer. You are an example of what a human being should not be. Thanks for that you pathetic person.
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It's a handicap league,that stuff happens. To fix that problem join a scratch league 😆
I know. I wasn't mad. I did my best and we lost. Yesterday we won and we are first place again. 279 and 728. So, I am ok.
So what do you propose (using 20/20 hindsight), L3nn0n, WAS the correct solution to the lane assignment question, in a utopian league?
Everyone in league that night bowls on the standing sheet assigned lanes, and goes manual scoring like back in 58'......? ???
I just posted a question regarding what MY TEAMMATES told me and about something they were complaining. If you can't understand that, well, I am sorry.
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I just posted a question regarding what MY TEAMMATES told me and about something they were complaining. If you can't understand that, well, I am sorry.
Ask your teammates, next time you see them, if they thought manual scoring was an (THE) optimal and just solution.
Their psychology is fascinating.
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Also, while I understand you're saying THEY were the ones crying, to be fair, you DID make this comment.
What pissed me off is that we did our best, we bowled pretty good, all of us bowled at least 10 pins above our average and we won nothing! NONE!
You can see how we get the impression you were irked?
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Also, while I understand you're saying THEY were the ones crying, to be fair, you DID make this comment.
What pissed me off is that we did our best, we bowled pretty good, all of us bowled at least 10 pins above our average and we won nothing! NONE!
You can see how we get the impression you were irked?
Yes, but I never said that I was pissed because we bowled on the wrong lanes. See the difference or do you need a special class?
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Also, while I understand you're saying THEY were the ones crying, to be fair, you DID make this comment.
What pissed me off is that we did our best, we bowled pretty good, all of us bowled at least 10 pins above our average and we won nothing! NONE!
You can see how we get the impression you were irked?
Yes, but I never said that I was pissed because we bowled on the wrong lanes. See the difference or do you need a special class?
I am well educated. Re-read the thread and many, perhaps incorrectly, got the same tone from it. To be clear, I understand you weren't upset about moving pairs, that was an issue with your friends.
As you said in the OP:
My question is, do they have a case here? I mean, I don't want to complain, but since we are (or we were) first place until yesterday and the league is about to end, I guess they are gonna give it a try.
What you're missing is that I'm having an honest debate with you here (and you aren't reacting to that well I see, mad bro? :P). I'm attempting to get you (since you know your friends) to argue/defend their case to see if it has merit.
Spoiler: it doesn't
I'll move along now since I spoiled all the drama.
Geesh.....
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Also, while I understand you're saying THEY were the ones crying, to be fair, you DID make this comment.
What pissed me off is that we did our best, we bowled pretty good, all of us bowled at least 10 pins above our average and we won nothing! NONE!
You can see how we get the impression you were irked?
Yes, but I never said that I was pissed because we bowled on the wrong lanes. See the difference or do you need a special class?
I am well educated. Re-read the thread and many, perhaps incorrectly, got the same tone from it. To be clear, I understand you weren't upset about moving pairs, that was an issue with your friends.
As you said in the OP:
My question is, do they have a case here? I mean, I don't want to complain, but since we are (or we were) first place until yesterday and the league is about to end, I guess they are gonna give it a try.
What you're missing is that I'm having an honest debate with you here (and you aren't reacting to that well I see, mad bro? :P). I'm attempting to get you (since you know your friends) to argue/defend their case to see if it has merit.
Spoiler: it doesn't
I'll move along now since I spoiled all the drama.
Geesh.....
No, I don't think they have a case here. They were mad BEFORE we lost all the games, and obviously they were even more after we bowled. I really think you need to take reading lessons or you have an attention disorder because clearly you didn't understand what I wrote when I started this thread.
I don't care about picking fights on the internet. I am well educated too, but I am tired of people that comes only to bash a post, to attack or to just to troll. I really hope you are 13 years old or something, because if you are older than that, well, you have a big problem my friend...
I asked a genuine question because I was curious of what might happen if they complain with the USBC. That's all. I am not 13 anymore to "fight" in a forum with random people. So, let's move on.