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Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« on: November 05, 2018, 11:34:04 AM »
Whether you agree with him or not, I personally find it refreshing hear candid comments such as this.    At 17:38 or so, he even takes a shot at another star player.   Watch, listen, and discuss please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u34xgjCYMTk

 

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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2018, 11:44:29 AM »
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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2018, 12:00:15 PM »
I lost it when Pete said "Oh look, Barnes got 3 off the right. Too bad." People in my office are looking at me now. #thankspdw
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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2018, 01:14:31 PM »
I donít know what bowlers want.

So many complain that easy lanes have made the scoring pace too high and is ruining bowling.

So, everyone wants to point to using various flat sport conditions to combat this. But the balls are so aggressive and remove so much lane conditioner from the lane that whatever pattern is put down it can be manipulated into a much easier condition. That is, IF everyone on the pair cooperates and breaks the lanes down together.

The USBC to try and stop lane pattern manipulation has started reducing practice time so that the bowlers canít use 50 grit balls to soak up all the lane conditioner and open up the lane. This is so everyone starts on a fresh condition.

The only way I see to stop this is to limit ball surfaces and in reality, eliminate resin types of balls that remove lane conditioner.

But just look at the uproar over the last rules enacted by the USBC to limit ball surface and weight holes.

Bowlers still want to be ball whores and try to buy a game.

You could put about any lane pattern out but if you restricted bowlers to using rubber and plastic cover balls with pancake cores scoring would be contained.
 
Pete is upset more because he canít physically hang with the kids anymore than he is with the USBC. It was remarkable to me that Walter Ray made it to match play but he didnít have a real chance to compete for a title.

Simply repeating shots isnít good enough anymore. You have to throw the ball a certain way and be versed on ball changes and lane transitions.

I believe USBC tournaments would be better served if they would allow easier lane conditions so that every style of bowler could compete on it. And then enact rules that put greater limits on ball coverstocks and cores.

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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2018, 02:19:10 PM »
I'm still waiting for the day the Proprietors and the USBC to grow a sack and say:

"Listen you wishy-washy MF'ers..... This is how it is! This is how it will continue to be! If you want a higher average....make more spares. If you want to compete with the elite world beaters at a national tournament in a 9 game format.... practice all year round like they do. If you want to keep the ball up the 2nd arrow in the 7th game of a 8 game block...bend that elbow, suitcase it with no fingers, throw plastic and send "wallies" on the 5 pin just like Earl used to do. If you want to learn to loft it like the 23 year old fresh out of college studs, then hit the gym, eat better, and lower your sugar intake so you can get that follow-through up and over that beer-gut.

But for the love of whatever God you believe in, stop trying to handicap players that work harder on their game than you, practice more than you, bowl more tournaments than you, and make more spares than you."


...but I won't hold my breath
« Last Edit: November 05, 2018, 02:20:41 PM by DP3 »

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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2018, 02:47:57 PM »
I just want there to still be bowling alleys around in 25 years (not a given especially outside big cities).  At this point that should be the main thing people keep their eye on instead of older people thinking only how they can gain some short term edge for a few more pots for themselves in the little time they have on this earth.  Just got my 7yo son in his first league and want the game to be around for him and not go the way of drive in movies.
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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2018, 02:48:43 PM »
I'm still waiting for the day the Proprietors and the USBC to grow a sack and say:

"Listen you wishy-washy MF'ers..... This is how it is! This is how it will continue to be! If you want a higher average....make more spares. If you want to compete with the elite world beaters at a national tournament in a 9 game format.... practice all year round like they do. If you want to keep the ball up the 2nd arrow in the 7th game of a 8 game block...bend that elbow, suitcase it with no fingers, throw plastic and send "wallies" on the 5 pin just like Earl used to do. If you want to learn to loft it like the 23 year old fresh out of college studs, then hit the gym, eat better, and lower your sugar intake so you can get that follow-through up and over that beer-gut.

But for the love of whatever God you believe in, stop trying to handicap players that work harder on their game than you, practice more than you, bowl more tournaments than you, and make more spares than you."


...but I won't hold my breath

Can I get an amen?!?!

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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2018, 02:57:59 PM »
I have been saying the same thing for years pinbuster.  Its particularly sad that we hsve the knowledge and technology to put out a variety of challenging patterns but the friction of the balls blow the patterns up so fast.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2018, 03:59:34 PM by avabob »

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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2018, 03:57:05 PM »
I'm still waiting for the day the Proprietors and the USBC to grow a sack and say:

"Listen you wishy-washy MF'ers..... This is how it is! This is how it will continue to be! If you want a higher average....make more spares. If you want to compete with the elite world beaters at a national tournament in a 9 game format.... practice all year round like they do. If you want to keep the ball up the 2nd arrow in the 7th game of a 8 game block...bend that elbow, suitcase it with no fingers, throw plastic and send "wallies" on the 5 pin just like Earl used to do. If you want to learn to loft it like the 23 year old fresh out of college studs, then hit the gym, eat better, and lower your sugar intake so you can get that follow-through up and over that beer-gut.

But for the love of whatever God you believe in, stop trying to handicap players that work harder on their game than you, practice more than you, bowl more tournaments than you, and make more spares than you."


...but I won't hold my breath

This is incredibility short-sighted in my opinion.

Consider this for a moment...there IS a place for bowlers who want to practice year round, work out all the time to get in shape and compete with world class talent. For one, the PBA U.S. Open and two, the PBA regional events in general.

Personally, I don't see why USBC has such an issue with house hacks having a little fun at a national tournament without all the bullshit. They seem to relish the idea of embarrassing/humiliating the 220+ average house hack who is rarely(or never) exposed to a flat pattern. The punk asses like Chad Murphy get a woodie off the idea of proving to those bowlers that they ain't all that. What is the point of rubbing your customers face in it? And believe it or not, those house hacks ARE the damn customer. So when the true professionals(not just PBA card holders, but including the Pete Thomas's of the sport) are allowed to prey on bowlers that are not at their level just so they can make a few dollars, that's complete bullshit. And they tightened the rules just a little more for 2019 so there would be more chum in the water for the sharks.

Make it a house shot, the best bowlers will still win. Oh of course some of the "big shots" will feel like it was a carry contest and they got robbed and it was all luck that Joe House Hack beat them and if it was a "real" condition how they would have kicked his ass. Etc, etc. Let the house bowlers at least go home with some dignity about how they bowled. There is no point in putting out a condition where some 220-230 house bowlers struggle to shoot in the mid 400's for series. When you do that, you have just ensured that he/she will not be at the tournament again.

If they want to have ONLY the elite bowlers, then keep doing it as it is currently. Otherwise, just make it another PBA level event and be done with it. Because those "wishy-washy MF'ers" are the ones who make the entire USBC viable.

Just for disclosure, I cash every year(not for big money) at the Open and enjoy bowling on the hard conditions. But putting teams together is a real pain in the ass because so many of the people I bowl with know they have zero chance at success at the Open.
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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2018, 05:32:40 PM »
I've said it a million times before. Game of bowling, sport of bowling. Should be 2 totally different divisions.
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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2018, 07:02:53 PM »
Just seems like an incoherent rant to me, except it's PD f'ing W and he's made 4 million on the Tour, so somehow it's important.  ::)
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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2018, 07:45:07 PM »
Really Mr. milorafferty....."punk asses getting woodies", and "wishy- washy MF'ers".
Now there's some statements to latch on to for the betterment of the sport.
I think we can do better than this to get a point across. At least I hope we can. 

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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2018, 08:47:22 PM »
Really Mr. milorafferty....."punk asses getting woodies", and "wishy- washy MF'ers".
Now there's some statements to latch on to for the betterment of the sport.
I think we can do better than this to get a point across. At least I hope we can. 

 Perhaps true, but one of those was a quote...
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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2018, 08:55:52 AM »
Is it honesty if he only says it because of the injury and having to pull out of the event?  We will never know if this happens if he is injury free and competes the full event.
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Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2018, 01:18:59 PM »
 Honestly, it sounds like every other ďrantĒ Iíve ever heard from an old guy who is getting to the point he just canít do what he once could, canít psychologically admit that to himself, and has to blame it all on some imaginary scapegoat.


 All the greats came to this point in their careers. The game changes, gameplay evolves in ways they donít like, and they piss, bitch, moan, complain, and retire.

 We do it, and so do they. They may have been greats, but theyíre human too.

P. D. W. is no different. He just thinks that because he is PDW that his opinion matters.

IT DOESNíT.

 Anthony said there was too much friction, to much free hook, and said ďIím a bowler, not a throwerĒ. He retired when he didnít like where the game was going. Several times.

 Bo Burton said that, when he retired, he was the all time average leader (donít know if that was true or not), and that something had to be wrong with bowling because now his ďall timeĒ average was merely middle of the road. He was retired.

 The bowling world is littered with them. Brian Voss is another one. Unhappy about where bowling has gone, and self important enough to think his opinion matters. IT DOES NOT.


 Bottom line, bowling is a BUSINESS. Not a game, not a sport, but a BUSINESS, and as such, it will ALWAYS go where the money is, and that is by catering to the great masses of amateur bowlers who want to bowl with friends, eat pizza, and drink a beer or twelve, and have FUN!

 Bowling doesnít give a shit that you spent 25, 35, or hell 105, years developing your skills and learning the game because, if the money dictates the need, it will change right out from under you and leave you crying in the dust.

 Bowling is what it is. Take it for what it is, enjoy it while you can, and get on with your life. If you arenít having fun bowling, you are wasting both your time and money.
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