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Title: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: squirrelywrath1 on November 05, 2018, 11:34:04 AM
Whether you agree with him or not, I personally find it refreshing hear candid comments such as this.    At 17:38 or so, he even takes a shot at another star player.   Watch, listen, and discuss please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u34xgjCYMTk
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: DP3 on November 05, 2018, 11:44:29 AM
Red Face Murphy to issue lifetime ban in 3....2....1
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: Impending Doom on November 05, 2018, 12:00:15 PM
I lost it when Pete said "Oh look, Barnes got 3 off the right. Too bad." People in my office are looking at me now. #thankspdw
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: Pinbuster on November 05, 2018, 01:14:31 PM
I donít know what bowlers want.

So many complain that easy lanes have made the scoring pace too high and is ruining bowling.

So, everyone wants to point to using various flat sport conditions to combat this. But the balls are so aggressive and remove so much lane conditioner from the lane that whatever pattern is put down it can be manipulated into a much easier condition. That is, IF everyone on the pair cooperates and breaks the lanes down together.

The USBC to try and stop lane pattern manipulation has started reducing practice time so that the bowlers canít use 50 grit balls to soak up all the lane conditioner and open up the lane. This is so everyone starts on a fresh condition.

The only way I see to stop this is to limit ball surfaces and in reality, eliminate resin types of balls that remove lane conditioner.

But just look at the uproar over the last rules enacted by the USBC to limit ball surface and weight holes.

Bowlers still want to be ball whores and try to buy a game.

You could put about any lane pattern out but if you restricted bowlers to using rubber and plastic cover balls with pancake cores scoring would be contained.
 
Pete is upset more because he canít physically hang with the kids anymore than he is with the USBC. It was remarkable to me that Walter Ray made it to match play but he didnít have a real chance to compete for a title.

Simply repeating shots isnít good enough anymore. You have to throw the ball a certain way and be versed on ball changes and lane transitions.

I believe USBC tournaments would be better served if they would allow easier lane conditions so that every style of bowler could compete on it. And then enact rules that put greater limits on ball coverstocks and cores.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: DP3 on November 05, 2018, 02:19:10 PM
I'm still waiting for the day the Proprietors and the USBC to grow a sack and say:

"Listen you wishy-washy MF'ers..... This is how it is! This is how it will continue to be! If you want a higher average....make more spares. If you want to compete with the elite world beaters at a national tournament in a 9 game format.... practice all year round like they do. If you want to keep the ball up the 2nd arrow in the 7th game of a 8 game block...bend that elbow, suitcase it with no fingers, throw plastic and send "wallies" on the 5 pin just like Earl used to do. If you want to learn to loft it like the 23 year old fresh out of college studs, then hit the gym, eat better, and lower your sugar intake so you can get that follow-through up and over that beer-gut.

But for the love of whatever God you believe in, stop trying to handicap players that work harder on their game than you, practice more than you, bowl more tournaments than you, and make more spares than you."


...but I won't hold my breath
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on November 05, 2018, 02:47:57 PM
I just want there to still be bowling alleys around in 25 years (not a given especially outside big cities).  At this point that should be the main thing people keep their eye on instead of older people thinking only how they can gain some short term edge for a few more pots for themselves in the little time they have on this earth.  Just got my 7yo son in his first league and want the game to be around for him and not go the way of drive in movies.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: CoorZero on November 05, 2018, 02:48:43 PM
I'm still waiting for the day the Proprietors and the USBC to grow a sack and say:

"Listen you wishy-washy MF'ers..... This is how it is! This is how it will continue to be! If you want a higher average....make more spares. If you want to compete with the elite world beaters at a national tournament in a 9 game format.... practice all year round like they do. If you want to keep the ball up the 2nd arrow in the 7th game of a 8 game block...bend that elbow, suitcase it with no fingers, throw plastic and send "wallies" on the 5 pin just like Earl used to do. If you want to learn to loft it like the 23 year old fresh out of college studs, then hit the gym, eat better, and lower your sugar intake so you can get that follow-through up and over that beer-gut.

But for the love of whatever God you believe in, stop trying to handicap players that work harder on their game than you, practice more than you, bowl more tournaments than you, and make more spares than you."


...but I won't hold my breath

Can I get an amen?!?!
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: avabob on November 05, 2018, 02:57:59 PM
I have been saying the same thing for years pinbuster.  Its particularly sad that we hsve the knowledge and technology to put out a variety of challenging patterns but the friction of the balls blow the patterns up so fast.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: milorafferty on November 05, 2018, 03:57:05 PM
I'm still waiting for the day the Proprietors and the USBC to grow a sack and say:

"Listen you wishy-washy MF'ers..... This is how it is! This is how it will continue to be! If you want a higher average....make more spares. If you want to compete with the elite world beaters at a national tournament in a 9 game format.... practice all year round like they do. If you want to keep the ball up the 2nd arrow in the 7th game of a 8 game block...bend that elbow, suitcase it with no fingers, throw plastic and send "wallies" on the 5 pin just like Earl used to do. If you want to learn to loft it like the 23 year old fresh out of college studs, then hit the gym, eat better, and lower your sugar intake so you can get that follow-through up and over that beer-gut.

But for the love of whatever God you believe in, stop trying to handicap players that work harder on their game than you, practice more than you, bowl more tournaments than you, and make more spares than you."


...but I won't hold my breath

This is incredibility short-sighted in my opinion.

Consider this for a moment...there IS a place for bowlers who want to practice year round, work out all the time to get in shape and compete with world class talent. For one, the PBA U.S. Open and two, the PBA regional events in general.

Personally, I don't see why USBC has such an issue with house hacks having a little fun at a national tournament without all the bullshit. They seem to relish the idea of embarrassing/humiliating the 220+ average house hack who is rarely(or never) exposed to a flat pattern. The punk asses like Chad Murphy get a woodie off the idea of proving to those bowlers that they ain't all that. What is the point of rubbing your customers face in it? And believe it or not, those house hacks ARE the damn customer. So when the true professionals(not just PBA card holders, but including the Pete Thomas's of the sport) are allowed to prey on bowlers that are not at their level just so they can make a few dollars, that's complete bullshit. And they tightened the rules just a little more for 2019 so there would be more chum in the water for the sharks.

Make it a house shot, the best bowlers will still win. Oh of course some of the "big shots" will feel like it was a carry contest and they got robbed and it was all luck that Joe House Hack beat them and if it was a "real" condition how they would have kicked his ass. Etc, etc. Let the house bowlers at least go home with some dignity about how they bowled. There is no point in putting out a condition where some 220-230 house bowlers struggle to shoot in the mid 400's for series. When you do that, you have just ensured that he/she will not be at the tournament again.

If they want to have ONLY the elite bowlers, then keep doing it as it is currently. Otherwise, just make it another PBA level event and be done with it. Because those "wishy-washy MF'ers" are the ones who make the entire USBC viable.

Just for disclosure, I cash every year(not for big money) at the Open and enjoy bowling on the hard conditions. But putting teams together is a real pain in the ass because so many of the people I bowl with know they have zero chance at success at the Open.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: Impending Doom on November 05, 2018, 05:32:40 PM
I've said it a million times before. Game of bowling, sport of bowling. Should be 2 totally different divisions.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: bowling4burgers on November 05, 2018, 07:02:53 PM
Just seems like an incoherent rant to me, except it's PD f'ing W and he's made 4 million on the Tour, so somehow it's important.  ::)
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: Bowlaholic on November 05, 2018, 07:45:07 PM
Really Mr. milorafferty....."punk asses getting woodies", and "wishy- washy MF'ers".
Now there's some statements to latch on to for the betterment of the sport.
I think we can do better than this to get a point across. At least I hope we can. 
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: milorafferty on November 05, 2018, 08:47:22 PM
Really Mr. milorafferty....."punk asses getting woodies", and "wishy- washy MF'ers".
Now there's some statements to latch on to for the betterment of the sport.
I think we can do better than this to get a point across. At least I hope we can. 

 Perhaps true, but one of those was a quote...
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: ignitebowling on November 06, 2018, 08:55:52 AM
Is it honesty if he only says it because of the injury and having to pull out of the event?  We will never know if this happens if he is injury free and competes the full event.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: Juggernaut on November 06, 2018, 01:18:59 PM
 Honestly, it sounds like every other ďrantĒ Iíve ever heard from an old guy who is getting to the point he just canít do what he once could, canít psychologically admit that to himself, and has to blame it all on some imaginary scapegoat.


 All the greats came to this point in their careers. The game changes, gameplay evolves in ways they donít like, and they piss, bitch, moan, complain, and retire.

 We do it, and so do they. They may have been greats, but theyíre human too.

P. D. W. is no different. He just thinks that because he is PDW that his opinion matters.

IT DOESNíT.

 Anthony said there was too much friction, to much free hook, and said ďIím a bowler, not a throwerĒ. He retired when he didnít like where the game was going. Several times.

 Bo Burton said that, when he retired, he was the all time average leader (donít know if that was true or not), and that something had to be wrong with bowling because now his ďall timeĒ average was merely middle of the road. He was retired.

 The bowling world is littered with them. Brian Voss is another one. Unhappy about where bowling has gone, and self important enough to think his opinion matters. IT DOES NOT.


 Bottom line, bowling is a BUSINESS. Not a game, not a sport, but a BUSINESS, and as such, it will ALWAYS go where the money is, and that is by catering to the great masses of amateur bowlers who want to bowl with friends, eat pizza, and drink a beer or twelve, and have FUN!

 Bowling doesnít give a shit that you spent 25, 35, or hell 105, years developing your skills and learning the game because, if the money dictates the need, it will change right out from under you and leave you crying in the dust.

 Bowling is what it is. Take it for what it is, enjoy it while you can, and get on with your life. If you arenít having fun bowling, you are wasting both your time and money.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: DP3 on November 06, 2018, 01:22:03 PM
I like your style Juggernaut. You're 100% right on this.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on November 06, 2018, 01:50:39 PM
Bowling is what it is. Take it for what it is, enjoy it while you can, and get on with your life. If you arenít having fun bowling, you are wasting both your time and money.

Well said.  Respect people that can make a living in bowling but so glad to keep it a fun hobby that gives me some exercise.  Ripped on USBC in past but now have my young son in USBC league with USBC coaches going to give them a pass I think.  May even get sanctioned at some point to bowl in fund raiser tournament for his league.  Still not happy with their leadership really but all one has to do is look at gymnastics and their organization to see how it could be infinitely worse.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: DP3 on November 06, 2018, 01:55:27 PM
Not happy with their leadership really but all one has to do is look at gymnastics and their organization to see how it could be infinitely worse.

Oof.... bowling got rid of their Larry Nasser mighty swiftly. No one needs leadership like that around.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on November 06, 2018, 01:59:49 PM
Not happy with their leadership really but all one has to do is look at gymnastics and their organization to see how it could be infinitely worse.

Oof.... bowling got rid of their Larry Nasser mighty swiftly. No one needs leadership like that around.

Not to go too far off topic but USAG (and USOC problems) go far deeper than just Nassar.  Its a culture of adults basically torturing children for money (part of why USAG is about to get decertified) but neither here nor there.  Just happy USBC structure is giving my son a pathway to a lifetime of enjoying this wonderful game and I hope they never forget that is the most important thing they can do.  Growing the game after the Boomers retire is going to be the key to its survival.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: DP3 on November 06, 2018, 02:17:10 PM
Junior Gold and Collegiate Bowling are two things that USBC does right.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: SMACdi on November 06, 2018, 02:41:17 PM
All you really have to do is read the marketing catch phrase, "a future for the sport".  PBA50 players are not in that category.  They, USBC, are building from the bottom up through support of jr. gold and collegiate programs.  Why did Amleto Monacelli have to go through the PTQ just to get into the Open given his track record?  Just look at the invitees vs. those that went through the PTQ.  It was full of young talent that needs to get exposed to a big stage in order to have a future for the sport. 
I have zero problem with the warm up policy on practice lanes and lack of practice on your starting pairs.  Everyone knew the policy going in.  USBC doesn't care about aging bodies.  They want to grow the young talent base.  It absolutely the right way to go about it.  Why cater to an aging pool of diminishing talent when you can develop a larger pool of vastly better talent?     
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: rocky61201 on November 06, 2018, 03:12:58 PM
1000% in agreement on focusing on the next generation.  I think it's been mentioned here before, PBA needs the equivalent of another Tiger Woods.  Hopefully we get one soon.

At the last youth championship in SoCal I was amazed at some of the young gun 2 handers ripping the ball 22mph and crushing/carrying everything.  Spare shooting was on par as well.  Lots of 750's and up and a couple 800's.  My 17yo son is starting to surpass me.  He has the ability, but lacks the experience/knowledge right now on making the correct adjustments.  Another year or two and he will be there.  He is a 1 hander but plays around 2 handed sometimes and is getting better.  Every time he crushes one at 20+ mph I curse a little under my breath, but I couldn't be more proud as a Father when he does it.   
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: DrBob806 on November 06, 2018, 05:45:11 PM
All you really have to do is read the marketing catch phrase, "a future for the sport".  PBA50 players are not in that category.  They, USBC, are building from the bottom up through support of jr. gold and collegiate programs.  Why did Amleto Monacelli have to go through the PTQ just to get into the Open given his track record?  Just look at the invitees vs. those that went through the PTQ.  It was full of young talent that needs to get exposed to a big stage in order to have a future for the sport. 
I have zero problem with the warm up policy on practice lanes and lack of practice on your starting pairs.  Everyone knew the policy going in.  USBC doesn't care about aging bodies.  They want to grow the young talent base.  It absolutely the right way to go about it.  Why cater to an aging pool of diminishing talent when you can develop a larger pool of vastly better talent?     


Well, Pete Weber is an all-time great and has won the US Open the most times in history. While we all understand he's in the twilight of his career, his words should still carry weight.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: BowlingforSoup on November 06, 2018, 06:01:47 PM
Exaclty ,Two handers are cheaters and the USBC sux! At least he has some balls to say what others wont.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: SMACdi on November 07, 2018, 09:21:43 AM
All you really have to do is read the marketing catch phrase, "a future for the sport".  PBA50 players are not in that category.  They, USBC, are building from the bottom up through support of jr. gold and collegiate programs.  Why did Amleto Monacelli have to go through the PTQ just to get into the Open given his track record?  Just look at the invitees vs. those that went through the PTQ.  It was full of young talent that needs to get exposed to a big stage in order to have a future for the sport. 
I have zero problem with the warm up policy on practice lanes and lack of practice on your starting pairs.  Everyone knew the policy going in.  USBC doesn't care about aging bodies.  They want to grow the young talent base.  It absolutely the right way to go about it.  Why cater to an aging pool of diminishing talent when you can develop a larger pool of vastly better talent?     


Well, Pete Weber is an all-time great and has won the US Open the most times in history. While we all understand he's in the twilight of his career, his words should still carry weight.

I agree his words SHOULD carry weight but they won't with the current leadership team at USBC.  Again, he is not the future of the sport. 
They should do more to encourage the generation that revolutionized the sport from the 1980's through today to be more actively involved with the generation that will take the sport the next 20-30 years.  There are countless lessons to be learned on what got us where we are today. 
USBC Has a very myopic view of the bowling world.  If they could open their eyes a little and consider how we got here there truly may be a future for the sport.  "Rants" from elite professionals won't help the process very much considering the ego at the top.  In all likelihood, we went the other direction.         
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: Juggernaut on November 07, 2018, 10:17:41 AM
Well, Pete Weber is an all-time great and has won the US Open the most times in history. While we all understand he's in the twilight of his career, his words should still carry weight.

 So, we should listen to him because he has great credentials?

 What about all the other people with impressive qualifications? Do we also listen to them, or are they just cannon fodder for the great Pete Weber?

EVERYBODY has opinions, but not everybody can be right. Just because youíre a great guy, or a great bowler, doesnít necessarily mean that you know JACK SHIT.

 Two handed bowling is cheating? REALLY?  THAT IS MERELY HIS OPINION, nothing else.
 Opinions are like assholes, everybodyís got one, but virtually all of them STINK!


 Bowling isnít about a small group of self important people who have reached the ďeliteĒ level, it is about the MILLIONS of regular people, who spend HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars going to birthday parties, leagues, and other events held at their local bowling centers. It is about the MILLIONS of people buying shoes, bags, balls, rosin bags, ez slide, thumb tape, finger inserts, etc etc etc............., NOT a small group of elitists that think the bowling universe revolves around their asses.

 Now, donít get me wrong. I, personally, respect what a lot of those ďeliteĒ guys did to get there. What Iím saying is that, just because they did all that, and got where they got, doesnít necessarily equate to having knowledge or insight into what is happening to bowling, or how to fix it. They have OPINIONS, nothing else.

 Perhaps it can be ďfixedĒ, or perhaps bowling has run its course. If it is worth saving, it will survive. If not, it will disappear, but NEITHER will happen due to the over valued opinions of a bunch of self important elitists. It will happen because either millions of people want it to, or millions of people just didnít care enough to, save it.
 
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on November 07, 2018, 10:34:59 AM
I would be surprised if Pete didn't rant.  It must really suck seeing prize checks smaller today than 30 friggin years ago even without inflation (adjusted for inflation Pete's daddy made like 7 or 8 million dollars in today's money in his career, Belmo by comparison is just a tad over a million).  I still think the game is in better shape than the sport and I just hope the powers that be don't kill both trying to fix the sport side. 
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: Kegler300800 on November 07, 2018, 11:00:35 AM
>> Junior Gold and Collegiate Bowling are two things that USBC does right.

The USBC loves Junior Gold. It makes about $800,000 for the USBC and the tournament costs less than $100,000 to run. A net of over $700,000 for the USBC bank account. It's a cash cow.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: leftybowler70 on November 08, 2018, 03:23:24 AM
I would be surprised if Pete didn't rant.  It must really suck seeing prize checks smaller today than 30 friggin years ago even without inflation (adjusted for inflation Pete's daddy made like 7 or 8 million dollars in today's money in his career, Belmo by comparison is just a tad over a million).  I still think the game is in better shape than the sport and I just hope the powers that be don't kill both trying to fix the sport side. 

This.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: Cornerpin on November 08, 2018, 06:06:34 AM
Exaclty ,Two handers are cheaters and the USBC sux! At least he has some balls to say what others wont.

So tired of bowlers who think two-handers are cheaters.  I am not a two-hander but if I could, I would.  You know why, because you can score better if you are good at it.  Surprised someone is not complaining about how hard some bowlers throw today and want a speed limit enforced.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: Polish_Hammer on November 08, 2018, 10:41:23 AM
Everyone has an opinion on what is "ruining" bowling (two-handers, equipment, etc) So I am only going to comment on Pete's rant. That's what it was, a rant, a tantrum, frustration from a guy with some medical problems, which all of us over 50 get when we age.  I need more practice than the younger guys too, so I stretch more and swing the ball back in forth and warm up before the competition.  I get my fat-ass in the gym every once in a while.  How often does a 50+ person dominate in any other sport on the planet? Stop bitchin' about the guy in the crowd who moved, or not getting enough practice it tarnishes your great career. Be a damn ambassador for the sport that made you a living because it doesn't owe you one.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: avabob on November 08, 2018, 12:03:12 PM
In addition to the age issue, which as a 70 year old, I totally understand, there is another factor in bowling.  It is the only sport I know where the playing environment dictates what is successful style to such a large degree.  This changing environment can lead to a very sour grapes attitude towards victims of the change.  I speak from experience.  The 80s were a nightmare for my game as I was unable and/ or unwilling to make the changes necessary to adapt to the short oil environment.   After most local tournanents I would be sitting in the bar bemoaning the state of the game. 
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: tburky on November 08, 2018, 03:55:17 PM
I listened to what Pete said on flobowling. What I think is a superstar that canít perform because of injury. In addition how the usbc set up the bowlers practice time is nkot enough to loosen up. As for the 2 handed comment it was Pete joking and if you listen to it...itís no more than that. The same way when Barnes took 3 off the corner. The announcers solicited Petes comments and he was being honest. Part of USBCís issues is that lane conditions should be playable by all styles and not certain styles dominate. This goes for the nationals too.
Title: Re: Brutally honest comments from Pete Weber on the US Open and USBC
Post by: avabob on November 08, 2018, 05:34:54 PM
I agree on lane conditions, but the high friction modern balls over power lsne patterns, quickly taking away sny parity in terms of playability.  The ironic thing is that the high rev guys using aggressive balls blow up the patterns for themselves almost as badly as for more traditional styles