Post by: agroves on November 07, 2004, 11:27:00 PM
The last 5 years the oil pattern generally dries up and rarely ever carried down. Well, not this year, the oil is carrying down and I am having a helluva time carrying anything. I normally try dull resin in this situation but it seems too strong. It could be my polished equipment is just too weak to make the corner.
I was thinking about sanding my Ravage down to 1000 grit or so. It has length drilled into and with a slightly more aggressive cover should do the trick.
Can anyone provide a better solution? My profile has my arsenal and stats.
andrew
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Post by: guzmand19 on November 08, 2004, 07:41:37 AM
That's my preference, hopefully someone else has a better answer for you
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Post by: scotts33 on November 08, 2004, 08:23:48 AM
Andrew what type of surface are you bowling on?
Scott
Post by: agroves on November 08, 2004, 08:39:16 AM
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Andrew what type of surface are you bowling on?
Scott
Wood with guardian overlay.
I have a shock zone pro. I could give it a try. what do you think?
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Post by: scotts33 on November 08, 2004, 08:47:08 AM
Don't know much about the Shock Zone but it seems very much like the Navy Fuze. High RG with particle and same out of box finish.
Did they just put down the Guardian?
Scott
Post by: agroves on November 08, 2004, 08:55:09 AM
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Did they just put down the Guardian?
Scott
Nope. It has been down since I've been here.
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Post by: scotts33 on November 08, 2004, 09:11:30 AM
The shame is any knowledgeable laneman, mechanic, proprietor can make the lanes more playable and still easy if they want by extending the length 2 feet adding a bit like 2 1/2 units to the outside so it isn't so over/under and take away 20-30 from the middle.
BTW--Don't have the exact figures but Guardian is about 8-10 hardness, where wood and HPL synthetic are around 50 hardness and Bruns. Anvilane is around 55-60 hardness. With that soft a surface in the heads and the large imprint high flaring equipment leaves you can see where the problem comes from.
Let us know how the Shock Zone works.
Scott
Post by: agroves on November 08, 2004, 10:40:31 AM
andrew
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Post by: Leftyhi-trak on November 08, 2004, 10:50:04 AM
Post by: agroves on November 08, 2004, 10:53:29 AM
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Do you swing the ball or project straighter down the lane? If you swing the ball go straighter or loop around the carry down but recommend the first as most are not proficient at the second. If you are already straight cut down on you axis rotation or tilt through release changes. Putting a little more surface couldn't hurt and some of the above stated steps will definitely help. What about your ravage, have you tried it there?
I can do either, and I have. I just seems anything with surface is touchy and anything with polish carries like crap.
I will give an up the back release a try with my inferno.
andrew
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Post by: scotts33 on November 08, 2004, 11:02:39 AM
I think you'll need to get more axis tilt as you move into the lane and feed the ball to the dry track. What trajectory you play will be left up to what's in the heads. Tighter w/a bit of speed is better.
Scott
Post by: agroves on November 08, 2004, 11:10:31 AM
This shot seemed to work okay. If I missed it a touch at the release the ball wouldn't make the corner at all. I moved out and played up 7 with the xs. An open hand fluff release worked pretty well with this shot.
I will probably sand the shock zone to 1000 or 1500 and take it tuesday.
Andrew
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Post by: agroves on November 10, 2004, 10:57:53 AM
I did learn something on my very last shot. I was still struggling with carry so I just decided move 1 right from where I was before the carrydown started. Then, I just threw the ball out to 5 and it came back. Hopefully I've figured out how to go around the crap now....
andrew
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Post by: pin-chaser on November 10, 2004, 12:16:17 PM
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Post by: agroves on November 10, 2004, 12:17:55 PM
andrew
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Post by: scotts33 on November 10, 2004, 12:43:57 PM
I played with the surface of the Navy Fuze and this is now my go to ball in a carry down state. Same surface....Guardian heads, old wood with puddle in middle.
In my 5 man league to much oil from the mid lane gets pushed out to 5 to the gutter making it very squirrely. So. I move inside usually crossing arrows at 18-19 to 9 at break point with more around side of low and long drag type release. Creates length and recovery at breakpoint. Is this what you tried?
Scott
Post by: agroves on November 10, 2004, 12:55:44 PM
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Good to hear Andrew. Question when you rolled your Shock Zone in the carry down....did it squirt or just not hit hard enough to carry?
I played with the surface of the Navy Fuze and this is now my go to ball in a carry down state. Same surface....Guardian heads, old wood with puddle in middle.
In my 5 man league to much oil from the mid lane gets pushed out to 5 to the gutter making it very squirrely. So. I move inside usually crossing arrows at 18-19 to 9 at break point with more around side of low and long drag type release. Creates length and recovery at breakpoint. Is this what you tried?
Scott
The Shock Zone did turn more than the XS, but it didn't carry. I tried sending it into the dry which caused an immediate left turn. I was trying to stay up the back more than usual but with minimal success.
I have a tournament coming up in this house this weekend. I am alittle worried I won't find a solution. I shot 631 with 4 opens, 258, 184, 189. I was somewhat frustrated the last game and a half. When this happens in the tournament I will probably keeping moving right and making my spares. It is a long format, 9 games, so the lanes will breakdown eventually. I would rather shoot 20? than 18?, no what I mean.
andrew
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