Gizmo,
    While I am sure it seemed that way, my response was a personal attack you. It was general statement about this thread as a whole. And maybe I have missed those threads, but I have never seen one with real answers. People want all the things that we used to have when bowling was big and on ABC every Saturday. It isn't realistic to have those things anymore. The sponsors aren't there, the timeslot isn't there, and that all leads to the money not being there. The television budget for the PBA is limited. They could travel and do live shows....and you'd get maybe 3-4 of them a year, maybe. Or they can do they taped shows, and you can get 15 total shows a year, with a a few of them live. The only way to even hope to get things close to the past, it to get bowling exposed. Show off the pros, the people, and hope a sponsor sees something he thinks he can make money from. It's probably a longshot, but it's a shot. Otherwise the PBA might as well just fold it's doors. It's not perfect, but it's the best they can do with what they have available. If people are realistic about answers and not just complaining because it's not the same as it was, maybe people will listen.

Quote from: Gizmo823 on December 15, 2014, 12:03:25 PM

The PBA doesn't listen and the people that run it don't even bowl or understand what they're doing.  We have ALL listed HUNDREDS of ways to fix it in the past.  People that are passionate about things complain about the negatives, and criticism IS a form of answer.  Obviously if you're doing something wrong and someone says stop doing that, logic says that by stopping, you will improve. 

Quote from: Jorge300 on December 15, 2014, 11:12:39 AM

Lots of criticism, but no answers, as usual on this site.
 
I read the spoilers when these tournaments were actually held, but I haven't looked at them since, I did not remember that Pepe did not roll 300 (but figured he didn't or I would have remembered that). I also didn't remember he won. So it was like watching it new. The Am vs. Pro thing wasn't very good, especially when they asked the boy who he wanted to bowl, and then don't give him that person. I am sure Dom Barrett was picked ahead of time, so why ask that question. The kid was 10, so what if he rolled it over the thumbhole. He probably throws more ball then you did at 10, I know it's true in my case. As far as the bowling goes, they cut away less then did in the past, and they still have a few sponsors to satisfy, so you will get longer commercial breaks, just the way it is. With the shows only an hour, I believe they are hoping to get people to watch before turning to football, since they won't even miss the whole first half now. Plus it saves on Production costs, I am sure.
 
Again, instead of just whining and bitching, how about offering advice too. Doesn't mean the PBA will ever use it, but it shows you actually care more about it then just complaining....something new for bowlers, I know, but it's about time.

No, I didn't take it as a personal attack, I just responded to the comments.  Yes, people want all those things like back when bowling was big, but some of the reasons it isn't big any more is because they stopped doing those things.  Any time slot is better than noon against NFL games.  Even 3 or 330 would be better because even if your team isn't playing at noon, most people are itching for some football after waiting a week and will watch whatever is on, beside the fact that most of the games are played at noon. 

Taped shows are one thing, but delaying them 2 or 3 MONTHS?  That's insane.  I just can't get up for watching something that happened months ago whether I know what happens or not. 

And because you have the personality of a Richard...it's ok to be one?!?

Quote from: NHLfan88 on December 15, 2014, 11:24:37 AM

So because you have the memory of a goldfish that makes it ok?

And yes, that's where nationals will be next time it's in Vegas. 

Gizmo,
     The PBA can't do any better...that is the reality of it. In fact what they have now IS better then their last deal with ESPN. The original deal had the PBA paying ESPN for airtime....at least now they get a little something from ESPN for the shows. That change was probably due to the fact ESPN wants to keep on against football. My biggest peeve with ESPN has always been the NFL Countdown guys. Berman and the boys always seem to make fun of the fact that bowling is coming up next. These are ESPN employees and you would think ESPN would at least make them announce it straight, instead of letting them get away with that.
 
     And it really isn't about the PBA being more complicated. I think the blue oil idea is helping educate people on the fact that 1) there is oil there as they can now actually see it and 2) that these shots are not the same easy shots they see every week in league. I wish there was a less campy way to do it, but again this is reality. It's better than nothing. The real culprit is the fact that people want what they can't have with bowling on TV. The average bowler wants to see everyone shooting 260+ or else they think they are as good as the guys on TV cause they can shoot those scores in their league. The advanced bowlers wants bigger prize funds, step ladder finals every week, and more talk about technical aspects of the game. The rest want to see something else. It is all but impossible to satisfy everyone, especially with the reality of today. We can't get bigger prize funds unless the PBA can find a bigtime sponsor. And we can't get a sponsor because bowling isn't a growing sport, it's declining big time. And we can't get people interested in the sport through the PBA anymore...it's a catch-22 all around. I agree the marketing and execution can be improved, but there is no incentive to do it because they can't guarantee it will do any good at all.
 
 
 
 

Quote from: Gizmo823 on December 16, 2014, 07:39:51 AM

Well yes I understand that, but that's basically saying the PBA can't do ANY better than the noon slot against all the NFL games?  As of right now they probably can't.  Nobody wants to put the PBA on primetime, but why is that?  Could be that the product sucks, and has for a while.  Bowling has gotten a lot more complicated in a time when things need to get simpler.  Plus there are just a few things about it that unfortunately handicap it.  It's a lot harder to see the quality of the shot in bowling as opposed to something like golf.  Bowling almost amounts to putt putt to most people.  Strikes look so easy so when somebody doesn't strike people think they suck.  But it's not marketed well, and definitely not executed well.