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imjouster

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So was thinking back to a past tournament....
« on: December 22, 2014, 09:51:51 AM »
Way back in Juniors actually.  This was the state pepsi tournament, and the winner of the tournament not only got a pretty nice sized scholarship, but they also got an expense paid trip to Jr. Gold to represent the state (usually around like 800 bucks in spending money).  So probably the biggest tournament of the year for the Juniors.  Due to the fact it was basically a qualifier for Jr. Gold, and the fact they wanted to see the Jrs struggle as much as possible (I specifically remember the tournament directors laughing at the shot they had put down), they decided to try and put down the most difficult shots they could come up with.

It was a 2 day tournament and the first day was 51 feet with somewhere around 40 ml of total oil across the lane.  Needless to say nothing even wrinkled.  Now I'm a firm believer in everybody is bowling on the same shot, so any shot is fair... but there was a problem.  It just so happened that they were putting out SO much oil, that going accross 24 lanes, by the time the machine hit about lane 22, The machine had all but run out of oil.  And 23 and 24 were actually quite dry.  This was not made known until after the first day was already over, We didn't switch lanes (which was a travesty in and of itself) and so the people on 23 and 24 thought that was what everyone was bowling on.  I finished the day in 6th place, 5 of the 6 people on 23-24 beat me.  This seemed really unfair at the time.

My question is, would I have any grounds to stand on if I had tried to protest the lane conditions back then?  I mean it quickly became obvious there was a machine malfunction, and there was a drastic difference in shots.  Obviously its far too late to do anything about it now, but I'm just curious if that is actually something I would have had a valid complaint about. 

Oh, and the 2nd day, was probably the most difficult shot I've bowled on in 20+ years of competitive bowling.  Never got to see a lane graph of it (they never put any out and refused to show the jrs what they were bowling on) but watching where the ball was reacting rolling straight up the boards, the shot had to be something like a reverse christmas tree with varying distances of oil, if you tried to play straight up 15, the ball hooked shortly after the arrows, if you played up 5 the ball would skid well past the 2nd tracer boards.  So my resulting decision was that it was a pattern where in the middle the shot was around 24-27 feet long, and on the outside the shot was 42-46 feet long.  First time (and only time) in my life I've truly been upset with the shot a tournament has put down.

 

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Re: So was thinking back to a past tournament....
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2014, 10:39:18 AM »
I don't know where you would have stood had you chosen to protest.  Based on the first part of your post, I would say it was shoddily run.  I've seen tournaments where the machine had to be refilled before all the lanes were run.  No big deal.  However, to knowingly allow one pair of lanes to be different than the others is inexcusable.  Even if you do switch pairs some will hit it, some will not.  Unfortunately from what I've seen (at least at adult tournaments) is that your complaints would fall on deaf ears.  I think it comes down to ego.  The tournament director won't want to admit to a mistake so everyone will deal with the hand dealt them.

The second day was a reverse block.  Very little oil in the middle and a ton outside.  Legal, but a major pain to bowl on.  Normally the best you can do is play very deep and treat the oil outside as the gutter.  A "fall back" shot is often used on a reverse block.

imjouster

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Re: So was thinking back to a past tournament....
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2014, 07:12:52 AM »
Yeah no doubt that the tournament was shoddily run. And I kinda figured the complaints would have fallen on deaf ears, was just kinda thinking if this were to ever happen again in the future, would I have any grounds to stand on.  And I have to agree its probably more of an ego thing where the TD won't admit to anything being wrong and it doesn't matter how many complaints they get they won't change anything. 

And yeah reverse block is the only thing I can think of the pattern being.  All I know is it was brutal, I was able to manage a 195 average on the 51 foot pattern the previous day, and then the reverse block I lost my mental, started missing spares, and only averaged like 160... (was not a happy camper haha)

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Re: So was thinking back to a past tournament....
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2014, 08:09:37 AM »
To some degree you will never bowl on the same condition unless you move lanes. Every pair will play a little different, will break down different from the bowlers on the lane ect. Your situation is a little different but for the bowlers on the pair with less oil could make the same argument of not being on a fair shot like the rest.   

The reverse block the next day is all on you. It's rarely seen as much but it's a legit pattern like any sports pattern that requires good adjustments and good bowling to score. Sounds like after one day you were in a good position to win and didn't.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

imjouster

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Re: So was thinking back to a past tournament....
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2014, 10:35:54 AM »
yeah no the 2nd day was definitely all on me, was just annoying how the tournament directors were just laughing at all the juniors who went home so depressed about bowling that they didn't really want to even continue it.  I already said that I lost my mental game the 2nd day, that's what killed me, happens to everyone from time to time.  If I were to see that sort of shot now I'd be excited for the challenge.  Just wasn't in the right mindset at the time. 

As far as never bowling on the same conditions, I completely understand and do know about different lanes playing differently etc etc.  And yes the end pair could have complained, except for the fact that every person on that pair shot their average or above, and they were the only people across 24 lanes that did shoot average.  It definitely put the rest of the house at a disadvantage vs them going into the 2nd day.  And yes, it was one of the people on that pair that won the tournament.  So don't think they would have had much room to complain.

With that being said though it would have been quite possible for them to have 0 oil on their lane, and have a harder shot than what we had.