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Okay here's a post that make you think:

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Ok, help me out a bit here.

Balls are rated for dry, medium, heavy oil conditions.

Let's take for an example a medium-heavy oil ball and roll it down a dry lane. As far as energy retention it will lose most of it's energy before it ever hits the pins correct? This is due to the more aggressive and porous coverstock sucking up all the energy?

Counter that with a dry ball on same dry lane conditions. Same bowler throwing same speed but the dry lane ball should impact the pins harder due to more stored energy storage?

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Energy Retention or loss is a myth.

The ball has the same amount of energy in it the moment you let it go, as it does when it hits the pins, (minus a little due to the noise it makes, and heat it generates)

What you are calling energy storage, is the balls ability to change direction.

A dull ball will read friction earlier than a polished ball when thrown on the same line.

When the ball has axis rotation (pointing somewhat left for a right hander) and a reasonable amount of revs, the ball has the potential to change direction.

It's only waiting for the oil pattern the become thin enough for the ball to read friction.

Once it reads friction, it will begin to change direction.

The friction also causes the ball to change how it rotates.

Energy is not lost, it is converted from forward speed, into increased rev rate.

This means a decrease in forward speed, an increase in rev rate, and a decrease in axis rotation.

At some point down the lane, the axis rotation should become 0 relative to the balls path at that moment.

Since there no longer is an axis rotation (relative to the path) there are no more forces causing it to change direction.

The lower the initial rev rate, the quicker the ball loses axis rotation when it encounters friction.

What you are calling a ball having rolled out is really just a ball that didn't change direction enough to point towards a good pocket hit.

The polished ball will not lose it's axis rotation as early due to less friction, so when it exits the oil pattern, it changes direction more.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2015, 02:29:23 PM by Aloarjr810 »
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Bonus info to make you think!

"A ball doesn't NEED to slow down to begin to hook. That is a figment of your imagination."

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I think it's time you go take a refresher course in physics.

A plastic ball will hook just fine if you can achieve static friction, for most people, their rev rate vs ball speed does not give the ball time to achieve that state.

Different balls have different surface COF, and can achieve static friction for these people, and therefore hook more.

P.S. A ball doesn't NEED to slow down to begin to hook. That is a figment of your imagination.

On an early version of the C.A.T.S. system (1980's) my ball speed through the heads was 16 mph, and 17 mph entering the pins.

The reason for the increase in speed was due to the rev rate.

At 17 mph, static friction is achieved at about 675 rpm.
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Aloarjr810, who are you quoting and from which site?  I find it very interesting regardless.

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Aloarjr810, who are you quoting and from which site?  I find it very interesting regardless.



the energy retention is from a thread on bowlingboards.com.

http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/18432-Energy-storage-of-bowling-ball


the refresher course in physics is from a old thread there.
http://www.bowlingboards.com/threads/16132-There-are-no-miracle-balls-to-correct-a-lousy-release

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I think some of it is interesting and some of it is more person/condition specific.

A bowling ball will go through 3 phases ideally. When people refer to the ball rolling out they are usually refering to the ball entering the roll phase very early and defelecting. Most bowlers don't know there is a roll phase. They think the ball continues hooking down lane. They also do not know that the ball will deflect if entering the pocket while still in the hook phase.

Plastic or any other ball can hook at various speeds if there is enough friction. All bowling balls need friction to hook.

Parts of a two people arguing doesn't tell a story.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2015, 04:09:39 PM by kidlost2000 »
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.