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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: xrayjay on October 24, 2014, 11:41:26 AM

Title: clean and dull did this....
Post by: xrayjay on October 24, 2014, 11:41:26 AM
I have some CnD from the ebo brand that I had for long time. The bottle had become distorted over time - this never happened before.

Anyway, I used it last week and I most always wear gloves when working with chemicals. I put on my disposable mechanic (nitrile) gloves on and the CnD made contact with finger tips. The finger tips looked like it melted a bit. The tip of fingers were rough. It melted the rubber or just reacted to the rubber material, I don't know....

I stopped using it and finished the job with the Rx instead.... BTW, how do you get rid of your old chemicals, old polishes and cleaners?
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: milorafferty on October 24, 2014, 11:56:42 AM
That's why I have stopped using the "aggressive" cleaners unless it's one of those almost impossible to get off belt marks. I honestly think the strong ones tend to smooth out the peaks and valleys causing the ball to need a resurface earlier than it would otherwise be needed. (But I could be wrong!  ;D )


Since we are in CA, can't we just pour our unused chemicals down the drain?  ???   ;D ;D
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: xrayjay on October 24, 2014, 12:07:34 PM
Since we are in CA, can't we just pour our unused chemicals down the drain?  ???   ;D ;D

I was going to mentioned something to that remark...lol

Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: ValentinoBowling on October 24, 2014, 12:37:40 PM
I would contact your local fire department. They usually run a local chemical and prescription pick up a few times a year.

As for the CND, I'm interested to see if our bottle has become radio active as well.

Go Remedy! Woo Hoo!
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: charlest on October 24, 2014, 09:05:56 PM
Since we are in CA, can't we just pour our unused chemicals down the drain?  ???   ;D ;D

I was going to mentioned something to that remark...lol


Here in NJ, local counties have a Household Hazardous waste disposal day once every other month or so. Tomorrow, I'm bringing some left over chemicals as long as they're in their original container and fused fluorescent light bulbs (contain poisonous vapors) and the like.

Kind of surprised Calif doesn't have something similar.

FYI not sure about the Powerhouse branded Clean n Dull but I'm still using old Track branded versions and they have a warning about keeping it away from the vinyl inserts. It is supposed to melt/dissolve them. I have brushed against them while using C&D but I have never had any chemical reaction with the two. Maybe I got lucky??
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: Steven on October 24, 2014, 09:13:52 PM

Kind of surprised Calif doesn't have something similar.


In SoCal, different cities have hazardous waste processing sites that are open to the public once a month or so. Our heathen friends in NorCal have similar available services.  ;D 
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: milorafferty on October 24, 2014, 09:17:56 PM
We do, the kitchen sink. Or street drain if it smells too much. Lol
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: charlest on October 24, 2014, 09:20:25 PM
We do, the kitchen sink. Or street drain if it smells too much. Lol

You dirty boy, you!!! :)
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: milorafferty on October 24, 2014, 09:25:00 PM
Hey, us Stockton folks got a reputation to maintain!   ;D
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: Dave81644 on October 24, 2014, 09:41:25 PM
I have used CnD for several years regularly with no issues
I don't let it sit for any length of time without using it
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: TDC57 on October 24, 2014, 10:05:45 PM
I've had a bottle of Clean and Dull for two years and had no issues!
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: Brickguy221 on October 24, 2014, 11:25:13 PM
I have a bottle that is at least 8 years old and probably older, just don't remember when I bought this quart of C&D. Anyhow, I still use it and have no issues with it.
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: xrayjay on October 25, 2014, 01:29:05 AM
The old CnD were in white bottles, the ebo came in a clear bottle that seem to have "melted" it's like rubber now....

Anyhow, there's a waste plant near the indoor track... I'll see if they accept chemicals there...

I'm not sure if I'll follow Milo's ways, sink and strom drain, hehehe...but I like they he thinks....
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: TDC57 on October 25, 2014, 02:49:53 PM
My CnD is also in a clear bottle and it has collapsed some, but it's not like rubber and the product itself is fine. I think much like when you spray cleaners like Formula 409 and feel it take the oxygen out of the air you breathe, CnD is similar and what has happened to the bottle is, the chemicals don't allow air in the confined area of the bottle and it collapses. I would just put what remains in another container as more than likely the product itself is fine. Why waste money?
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: J_w73 on October 25, 2014, 07:49:26 PM
My old CND in the clear bottle looked like it melted the bottle in all kinds of funny shapes.. The new white bottle seems like it is holding up.  I have also heard that CND had change some since it first came out.   There is a reason why it isn't allowed during competition any more. USBC has determined that it does affect the surface.  The surface does seem really tacky after using it but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't melt the surface a bit and smooth all the friction points down a bit.
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: TDC57 on October 26, 2014, 12:48:39 AM
Don't believe it "melts" the surface of the ball or it wouldn't be legal at all. It's water soluble so it can't be that vicious a material.
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: J_w73 on October 26, 2014, 01:23:41 PM
Don't believe it "melts" the surface of the ball or it wouldn't be legal at all. It's water soluble so it can't be that vicious a material.

good point.. But usbc does say it changes the surface enough to not allow it during USBC sanctioned play.  Can only be used before or after.  I am not sure what their criteria is for this.  I know acetone or MEK  is not allowed at all but they do now allow denatured alcohol to be used anytime.. Acetone and MEK are possible ingredients added to Ethyl Alcohol to make it "denatured"..  So go figure.
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: charlest on October 26, 2014, 01:55:44 PM
Don't believe it "melts" the surface of the ball or it wouldn't be legal at all. It's water soluble so it can't be that vicious a material.

good point.. But usbc does say it changes the surface enough to not allow it during USBC sanctioned play.  Can only be used before or after.  I am not sure what their criteria is for this.  I know acetone or MEK  is not allowed at all but they do now allow denatured alcohol to be used anytime.. Acetone and MEK are possible ingredients added to Ethyl Alcohol to make it "denatured"..  So go figure.

I guess I don't know what is NOW added to ethyl alcohol to make it "denatured". I do know it used to be methyl alcohol, which is poisonous to human beings. That is why it was added: to insure human beings do not drink it. Winos still drink it.

I believe (not 100% positive) that there is now a slight amount of abrasive in Powerhouse's formulation of C&D. I suspect that is why it used to be approved DURING bowling and it is now approved for use only BEFORE or AFTER bowling.
Title: Re: clean and dull did this....
Post by: the stylish one on October 26, 2014, 02:38:57 PM

Kind of surprised Calif doesn't have something similar.


In SoCal, different cities have hazardous waste processing sites that are open to the public once a month or so. Our heathen friends in NorCal have similar available services.  ;D

Save those dolphins. ::)