Author Topic: Question on Release - overturning (Read 7156 times)

Sn · « **on:** January 11, 2012, 08:12:41 PM »

I always tend to overturn during my release because I feel that my thumb clears better by turning my hand. Is it a ball fit issue or else?

Thanks!

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2012, 04:30:00 AM »

Two things to consider: one issue could be that your thumb hole is too wide, so that you grip the ball too much/too long and then release it too late, topping the ball. Do you use tape or have you ever experimented with it?

Another thing to check is if you lack a firm wrist, be it through lack of strength or because you just do what feels natural. You should keep your wrist from throughout the swing and release, feeling the ball roll across your fingertips AFTER you let it go with the thumb. If you top the ball, all fingers leave the ball more or less simultaneously, killing revs and lowering the track by tendency, for a later break point.

A lot of things to check! Maybe post a release vid of yours?

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Sn · « **Reply #2 on:** January 12, 2012, 04:57:26 AM »

Yes I think it could be my wrist. I lack wrist strength and therefore it's been difficult for me to keep my fingers under the "equator" of the ball. Thus I don't usually get much revs on the ball.

I don't think I grab the ball because I always slightly press my thumbnail against the inside of the thumbhole.

Thanks dizzyfugu!

CubsFan · « **Reply #3 on:** January 12, 2012, 04:28:04 PM »

You may want to try one of the wrist supports on the market. I bought a Robby Revs a few weeks ago and it's really helped me. Don't think I realized how much my wrist was breaking down. I'm trying to use it strictly as a training aid mainly because I just don't like the idea of using it beyond that. But I do absolutely get many more revs on the ball and am able to play lines I never could before. For me, as long as I don't put the side roll at too extreme a setting , it even helps clear the thumb and gives me that good feeling of the ball rolling off my fingertips.

DeadWood Pro Shop · « **Reply #4 on:** January 13, 2012, 01:19:59 AM »

I have 3 possible suggestions.

First, +1 to the suggestion to wearing a wrist brace. The gizmo and mongoose are great. They help you get more pure revs on the ball with out breaking your wrist or over turning to generate revs. if you have a good relationship with your pro shop, they should allow you to try a few shots with one of them.

Second, Try a pinky hole. I have a customer that had a similar problem and gave it a shot on his equipment. Within a week, he got all of his equipment fitted with pinky holes. When doing a pinky hole just be sure to increase the amount of pitch from your center grip by at least 1/8th

Third, changing finger or thumb pitches will alter how your hand comes out of the ball.

Hope this helps.

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #5 on:** January 13, 2012, 02:43:46 AM »

CubsFan wrote on 12.01.2012 5:28 PM:You may want to try one of the wrist supports on the market. I bought a Robby Revs a few weeks ago and it's really helped me. Don't think I realized how much my wrist was breaking down. I'm trying to use it strictly as a training aid mainly because I just don't like the idea of using it beyond that. But I do absolutely get many more revs on the ball and am able to play lines I never could before. For me, as long as I don't put the side roll at too extreme a setting , it even helps clear the thumb and gives me that good feeling of the ball rolling off my fingertips.

Be warned: more revs does NOT mean a better release. Wrist supports are so enticing because they promise results without effort - "visual effects". Even with a wrist device you can end up overturning the ball, it is just spinng faster but hardly gets more power. It might not be the true solution to the underlaying challenge, just a placebo.

A wrist device can be helpful, though, to bridge time while building up wrist strength. As you already mentioned, staying behind/under the ball is the key for a better release (not revs) - I once was in a similar situation and "fell for" a ProRelease, but found it too cumbersome as a whole. Anyway, after a while I used it only in order to back my wrist, keeping it from bending back in the downswing, while I left the hand free to move. That helped me a lot to develop wrist strength and getting used to the different feel in the course of some months. Weightlifting is helpful, too.

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DeadWood Pro Shop · « **Reply #6 on:** January 13, 2012, 11:14:12 AM »

I have seen that the mongoose helps keep from turning over the ball because it keeps your wrist and forearm in line.

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striker · « **Reply #7 on:** January 13, 2012, 11:43:57 AM »

Which mongoose did you use.

Stan · « **Reply #8 on:** January 13, 2012, 01:09:41 PM »

Something else to consider is to insure your elbow is in and not out during your downswing. If your elbow is out, you will over turn the ball.

Wrist devices will really not help you if the problem is with your elbow.

I picked up a Robby Restrictor for my shop when they first came out. If used correctly, it will keep you from overturning the ball. Keep in mind, although you may use this during league or tournamen play, it is really a training aid and to be honest, I do not think it would last that many games.

Good Luck

Raydee · « **Reply #9 on:** January 23, 2012, 07:41:48 PM »

I find that when I try to force the ball through the shot my elbow comes out and my hand goes around the ball. I have a real hard time correcting this and thought about trying the Robby's restrictor but I thought it may be a bit gimmicky. I stay behind the ball a lot better when I let the weight of the ball do the work and not my arm, hard habit to break though. Watch bowlers like Wes Malot and Mike Fagen, it almost look like they are hardly trying to throw the ball.

no300tj · « **Reply #10 on:** January 23, 2012, 08:44:04 PM »

Sometimes, the ball just falls into the swing. My hand rides the ball down to the release. The last thing I feel is the burning of my ring fingertip. Leverage is the key.

To me, it seems you are pulling the ball down from the top of the swing. This is usually a timing issue. For me, get the ball into the swing earlier=less likely to help it. Allows me to do less, but hook more.

At the top of the swing, wait for the ball to fall. It can feel weightless and still roll through the pins proper. I just can't get there often enough.

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