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Combating over/under in recreational league
« on: November 09, 2018, 08:59:04 AM »
Well .. I'm having an odd season so far.  I am actually averaging higher in my challenge/sport league than I am in my house shot league. 

I am TOTALLY embarrassed to say what I am averaging but let's say I have always averaged in the 21X area and I am WAY off right now.  I'm not throwing the ball bad but I just can't carry.  I had 1 double last night until the end of the second game.  Combine that with a missed 10 pin and you have a crowd pleasing 185 !  :o

I am combating dreaded over/under.  I have a great look until the transition which can happen as soon as the 3rd frame of the first game due to the 15 minutes of practice we are given.    My teammates tend to start further inside with more aggressive equipment and smoke the area I must move into.  Then it all goes downhill from there.  The rest of the team find themselves in the same boat later in the set as they have given themselves nowhere to move to. 

I ball down, move into their starting area, and that will last for a few frames but its really touchy.  In the past years I have just stayed out right and started taking hand out of the ball.  Jumping further left isn't really an option since the center is nuked too from the 1000 grit snowtires going down the lane.  You must get WAY in and slow hook it to have a chance but a miss right is a trainwreck .... like a buzzsaw 4 count.

What do you do when you feel closed out?  I have a Tropical Storm I am going to try, and I plan to try to straighten up and throw heaters off the corner... I'm just baffled.   I'm curious to hear what others say.

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Re: Combating over/under in recreational league
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2018, 09:17:23 AM »
1. Welcome to tweener hell.

2. Get new teammates.

Ok, now for actual advice. I'd really like to see an After Dark Solid with a short pin to pap (2 inches?) And minor surface adjustments. A long time ago, I had your problem, and drilled a Stinger 2 piece pearl with a 5.5 inch pin to pap and killed the cover with control it. Ball was a godsend. I could stay in the track all night. Almost felt like cheating lol.
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Re: Combating over/under in recreational league
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2018, 12:17:15 PM »
1. Welcome to tweener hell.

2. Get new teammates.

Ok, now for actual advice. I'd really like to see an After Dark Solid with a short pin to pap (2 inches?) And minor surface adjustments. A long time ago, I had your problem, and drilled a Stinger 2 piece pearl with a 5.5 inch pin to pap and killed the cover with control it. Ball was a godsend. I could stay in the track all night. Almost felt like cheating lol.

Doom - I seen Daria running with a 2” pin-pap boost playing way right. Granted this is sport shot she was on. But what’s your thoughts on the Boost vs After Dark Solid for this situation?

OP - you may want to try a middle of the road solid symmetric that will slow down appropriately as you fade it across 4th arrow. My best look for over under is a cover that blends it out and slows down with a symmetric core to carry with some energy left.
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Re: Combating over/under in recreational league
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2018, 12:53:24 PM »
Doom gave you almost the same answer I was going to give.  We tweeners tend to out hook our rev rate on many house patterns these days.  I hsve had some luck plaing outside 10 with urethane on these conditions, but the after dark solid might be an even better option.  I just punched one, and went down for a practice session after league on a house shot.  I was able to play relatively square outside 10 much like I would with urethane.   However I got a much better reaction in the pocket.  I shot about 720 for 3, then went to my marvel pearl.   Moved in and left 3 tens plus 4-6 with no doubles. Shooting 180. 

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Re: Combating over/under in recreational league
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2018, 01:47:01 PM »
1. Welcome to tweener hell.

2. Get new teammates.

Ok, now for actual advice. I'd really like to see an After Dark Solid with a short pin to pap (2 inches?) And minor surface adjustments. A long time ago, I had your problem, and drilled a Stinger 2 piece pearl with a 5.5 inch pin to pap and killed the cover with control it. Ball was a godsend. I could stay in the track all night. Almost felt like cheating lol.

Doom - I seen Daria running with a 2” pin-pap boost playing way right. Granted this is sport shot she was on. But what’s your thoughts on the Boost vs After Dark Solid for this situation?

OP - you may want to try a middle of the road solid symmetric that will slow down appropriately as you fade it across 4th arrow. My best look for over under is a cover that blends it out and slows down with a symmetric core to carry with some energy left.

A very good staffer friend of mine just asked me the same thing. He's having problems going left to right without the ball jack knifing. Slower ball speed, really rolls his wrist behind it. Recommended a Boost Hybrid with something close to 2*50 and a coat of a Polish with a slip agent. Reason I chose a Boost is because of the higher diff. If he needs a bit of flare, he can at least cut the heads a little bit.

Now, if you're just looking to play the track and jam it all night, the core shape of the After Dark will get it to be more stable and roll better from friction to pin deck, imo. S30 is going to get thru the fronts. With the closer pin to pap, you don't have to worry about the ball jumping on you, and you can make much more minor adjustments.
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Re: Combating over/under in recreational league
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2018, 01:59:57 PM »
How does the After Dark stack up against the Hustle INK?  They have roughly the same core numbers.  I have an INK now and find it surprisingly strong
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Re: Combating over/under in recreational league
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2018, 02:47:09 PM »
Haven't thrown an Ink (I know, shocking, right??) But the After darks are going to be a ball down due to the shell being weaker.
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Re: Combating over/under in recreational league
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2018, 03:12:01 PM »
Whenever I watch the pros bowl on a side to side wet/dry house shot, almost all of them jump in and play the middle of the lane and ignore the friction to the edge.

1- Their big revrates would create too much angle out of the dry
2- There's enough loads of oil in the middle that it won't break down much in 3 games
3- If you miss a bit to the right, you have recovery
4- It allows you to throw a bigger ball so you won't have to worry about weak hits from your weaker equipment on the fresh
5- You can always chase it in a bit more.

More oil is going to help you, you'll be chasing the transition every 3-4 frames if you're trying to boom it to the friction and watch it wheel back.

My old coach used to tell me "You can play the oil, or you can play the dry, but don't think about playing them both on something easy."

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Re: Combating over/under in recreational league
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2018, 04:21:38 PM »
I feel you.  My averages in my Challenge league and THS are almost the same.  When I get a bad cross (plastic or major rev rate + surface) my play usually ends up being low response equipment along with keeping my angles more parallel.
Balls like my Edge Solid (symmetric solid, no polish) come into play along with softer speed and more forward roll where I can lean on the oil line to stay out of trouble.  Does this strategy sacrifice carry?  Absolutely, but grinding out a 1 open 650 is better than overthinking a cliffed league pattern.
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Re: Combating over/under in recreational league
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2018, 04:58:27 PM »
How does the After Dark stack up against the Hustle INK?  They have roughly the same core numbers.  I have an INK now and find it surprisingly strong

According to BJI reviews its a tad weaker and longer than Hustle Ink.

(Hook, Length, Shape)
Hustle Ink
47.5, 15.5, 14

After Dark Solid
45.5, 17, 14
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Re: Combating over/under in recreational league
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2018, 06:40:58 PM »
I would think the 22* of tilt would make things difficult.
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Re: Combating over/under in recreational league
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2018, 10:15:31 PM »
Try being on a team where everyone else throws plastic sometime. Best seems to be go straight up 7 and use their carrydown as hold   :P
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Re: Combating over/under in recreational league
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2018, 10:52:46 PM »
I am going to try my Tropical and play in the dirt. If that is a bust, which well could be as the ball is great on wood but I have NEVER put it to work on AMF synthetics.

If that sucks then I may drill an INK or After Dark with 2” pin.