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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: lefty50 on August 26, 2015, 09:02:54 AM
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Time to choose my next ball. I pretty much narrowed it down to the three balls listed above, although I'm also willing to consider the Covert Revolt, and maybe Gamebreaker2. I have personal history and reasons to choose or deny each of the three companies listed above, and I feel that may be clouding my judgment, so I'm looking for an objective opinion. Almost everything I throw is smooth rolling early, and I'm really looking for something to kick out corners better on the left-hand side with my low-rev style. I think my normal condition these days is medium oil, which may be why I've been making a mistake in my current arsenal, expecting more oil than I'm actually seeing. If I had to give further information, I would say that I'm looking for something with a little more punch then my Raptor P7.
Thanks in advance
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I can't really comment on the Vengeance as I haven't seen one but we have quite a few guys throwing the Jab and the Primo. Primo is much stronger and a little earlier than the Jab. Jab leans more as a ball to step down to once the pattern is broken in a little the Primo is a ball I would take out of the bag first. Both great balls and I think the Jab would make a good step down from the Primo if you wanted both.
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Thanks, that's good to know. Any thoughts on the Primo as to angularity?
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I can only speak to the Jab, which is one of the best balls I've ever thrown. Very versatile, VERY smooth, clean through the fronts. I am also low revs and sow speed and can play deeper with this ball than any I've ever played with once the shot opens up. It gets a lot of length out of box so don't be afraid to drill it aggressively.
Too bad the Melees don't really have the sexy factor because all three are great. The Cross and Jab are a great 1-2 punch.
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I have the jab and it is very skid flip for me. The thing I love most about this ball is that even though it is angular, the low rg still picks up early enough so you don't throw through the mids. I threw the primo at a demo day and compared to my jab, it is earlier and smoother. I would classify the primo as a good benchmark ball. So if your looking for more back-end and a ball for true medium conditions the jab would be a great option. I also have mine drilled pretty aggressively, pin is above slightly right of my ring finger and cg kicked out with an added weight hole.
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Thanks, that's good to know. Any thoughts on the Primo as to angularity?
The Primo is less angular than the Jab. The Primo's move is kind of in between it's not super angular like a Sky Rocket or even the Jab but the move it makes is a very powerful I'll call it Slurve for lack of a better term.
One warning all three bowlers I've seen with this ball have been more power guys I imagine a lower speed bowler will see even more movement out of this ball. From my thoughts I have been impressed but without a doubt it's a strong ball.
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Sounds good, thanks for the input. Now if we can get some comments on the Revolt Vengeance compared to either of these two, I'll be all set.
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Here's a comment on the vengeance, your going to spend $25 more than either 2 other balls for the same kind of motion. Go with the jab, it is as angular as any of the stuff that comes out of Utah.
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Here's a comment on the vengeance, your going to spend $25 more than either 2 other balls for the same kind of motion. Go with the jab, it is as angular as any of the stuff that comes out of Utah.
but the Vengeance will last 100 games longer....
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The vengeance is a GREAT ball!
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Here's a comment on the vengeance, your going to spend $25 more than either 2 other balls for the same kind of motion. Go with the jab, it is as angular as any of the stuff that comes out of Utah.
but the Vengeance will last 100 games longer....
+1 ... Motiv covers are some of if not the longest lasting covers on today's balls.
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Here's a comment on the vengeance, your going to spend $25 more than either 2 other balls for the same kind of motion. Go with the jab, it is as angular as any of the stuff that comes out of Utah.
but the Vengeance will last 100 games longer....
To be quite honest with you, Brunswick covers are very durable. Probably the most durable of any other brand I have thrown and I have thrown them all. The only motiv ball I have ever owned was a GT-1, it was good, nothing special but I didn't have it long enough to test the durability of the cover.
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That ball came out 6 or so years ago. That would be like me comparing the Twisted Fury to today's technology. And we don't want that now do we?
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Here's a comment on the vengeance, your going to spend $25 more than either 2 other balls for the same kind of motion. Go with the jab, it is as angular as any of the stuff that comes out of Utah.
but the Vengeance will last 100 games longer....
To be quite honest with you, Brunswick covers are very durable. Probably the most durable of any other brand I have thrown and I have thrown them all. The only motiv ball I have ever owned was a GT-1, it was good, nothing special but I didn't have it long enough to test the durability of the cover.
Motiv covers have improved greatly since the GT1. If you have not tried them lately you are missing out. Vengeance is on order for me....
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That ball came out 6 or so years ago. That would be like me comparing the Twisted Fury to today's technology. And we don't want that now do we?
I have to agree with what tkkshop said ... ^^^^^^^^^
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That ball came out 6 or so years ago. That would be like me comparing the Twisted Fury to today's technology. And we don't want that now do we?
So let me ask you this since you were such a storm/roto promoter before and now all of a sudden you're up motiv's rear end. If they were to re-release the virtual gravity tomorrow you're telling me that the technology would not be good enough for today's conditions and couldn't compare to any ball on the market today since it was made over six or seven years ago. That had to be one of the dumbest comments I've ever heard you make on this site before. Please tell me what has changed in the last 6 years I'd love to know.
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That ball came out 6 or so years ago. That would be like me comparing the Twisted Fury to today's technology. And we don't want that now do we?
So let me ask you this since you were such a storm/roto promoter before and now all of a sudden you're up motiv's rear end. If they were to re-release the virtual gravity tomorrow you're telling me that the technology would not be good enough for today's conditions and couldn't compare to any ball on the market today since it was made over six or seven years ago. That had to be one of the dumbest comments I've ever heard you make on this site before. Please tell me what has changed in the last 6 years I'd love to know.
I know your post isn't addressed to me, but I would like to say something about it and hopefully I don't make anyone upset....
The Virtual Gravity isn't 6 years old and balls haven't changed all that much since the Virtual Gravity compared to when the Motiv GT-1 came out, so tkkshop does have a good point.
However, I am not a Storm person and have not always had favorable results with Storm balls, but if there was a re-release of the Vrtual Gravity Nano Solid tomorrow, I would be one of the first in line to buy that ball as it is one of the few Storm balls that worked well for me and that Nano Solid worked extremely well for me. I only sold mine because I was forced to drop down in weight because of health problems.
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Don't mean to add on, but for Storm, their technology advances in the last 6-10 years has not been much. Perhpas some tweaking behind the scenes, but the Virtual Gravity would probably fit just under the Crux and be in the same line up as the Tour series balls.
Motiv however, has had a significant advancement in their coverstocks from 6 years ago when the GT-1 was released. Ever since the release of the Primal Rage, Motiv has gotten closer and closer to the bigger name manufacturers in coverstock ability.
So in this sense, the Revolt Vengeance is a significant jump in technology compared to the GT1.
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My argument was never about advancements in technology all I stated was that I thought that Brunswick had very good cover durability as well. I've thrown a lot of equipment from every company in the last 10 years but more so from Brunswick and their covers have lasted and exceeded my expectations. I never said anything negatively against motiv, they could possibly be the best covers in bowling, all I stated was the gt1 was a good ball but it never had that wow factor for me.
And by the way the storm virtual gravity was released on
11/17/08 and the motiv gt1 was released on 4/24/09.
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HIJACKED!.....
So, getting back on track for comments relative to comparison of the Revolt Vengeance compared to the Primo.....
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Bottom line lefty, all 3 of those balls will probably be pretty close in reaction. Pick the color or brand you like best and giddy up!
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I appreciate the thought, but sounds to me like the jab might be a step below the Primo and more angular than Primo, which is slightly earlier and more continuous. I'm hoping that the vengeance might come up as earlier than the Jab with more angle than the Primo.
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I appreciate the thought, but sounds to me like the jab might be a step below the Primo and more angular than Primo, which is slightly earlier and more continuous. I'm hoping that the vengeance might come up as earlier than the Jab with more angle than the Primo.
I believe with the cover on the Vengeance, it will be slightly stronger in terms of being able to handle the most oil of the 3 balls. I've only seen 1 Vengeance, it should be earlier than the other ones but I'm not sure how it would compare to the Primo in terms of angularity
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That ball came out 6 or so years ago. That would be like me comparing the Twisted Fury to today's technology. And we don't want that now do we?
So let me ask you this since you were such a storm/roto promoter before and now all of a sudden you're up motiv's rear end. If they were to re-release the virtual gravity tomorrow you're telling me that the technology would not be good enough for today's conditions and couldn't compare to any ball on the market today since it was made over six or seven years ago. That had to be one of the dumbest comments I've ever heard you make on this site before. Please tell me what has changed in the last 6 years I'd love to know.
I was a staff member of Storm and they do make good stuff. Now I pay for my stuff like 98% of you. I chose to spend my money on a company whose equipment doesn't quit after 50 games. But you are using Motiv's 3rd ever release as your only sample size for the company. Brunswick has progressed since the Twisted Fury. If that were my only Brunswick purchase, much like you and the GT1, would you not want me to try a newer one? See my point?
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Old motiv blew. Go for that vengeance!
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I appreciate the thought, but sounds to me like the jab might be a step below the Primo and more angular than Primo, which is slightly earlier and more continuous. I'm hoping that the vengeance might come up as earlier than the Jab with more angle than the Primo.
Vengeance is definitely earlier than the Jab and stronger than the Jab. I'm not sure if it creates more angle than the Primo from looking at both balls close up I think the OOB surface on the Vengance is a higher grit (it's close) the balls are pretty close
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I appreciate the thought, but sounds to me like the jab might be a step below the Primo and more angular than Primo, which is slightly earlier and more continuous. I'm hoping that the vengeance might come up as earlier than the Jab with more angle than the Primo.
Vengeance is definitely earlier than the Jab and stronger than the Jab. I'm not sure if it creates more angle than the Primo from looking at both balls close up I think the OOB surface on the Vengance is a higher grit (it's close) the balls are pretty close
Here is a link to the Vengeance.......
http://www.motivbowling.com/products/balls/revolt-vengeance.html