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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: NY Mike on May 29, 2020, 11:56:49 AM
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Residing in NYC area, Summer leagues are a no go, unsure if our fall leagues will start up in September, hearing about an abbreviated season starting in January. Fortunately bowling center owners have taken this time to maintain and update the center.
Bowling membership in leagues have been on the decline over the past years, how many fear that people will get accustomed to staying home and don't need bowling in their lives? My wife's mixed league has gone to 10-12 teams of 4, not sure she will be able to maintain. Any opinions about membership in surrounding areas.
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Here in PA it will be tough. When we reopen, bowling centers will be permitted to operate at 50% capacity only. Add the "every other lane" only rule and it will tough to maintain normal league sizes. I am going back, for sure, but the nights where there were 48 5-man teams packing the house are over.
I welcome a transition to 3 and 4-man teams. Makes for a much nicer bowling night, actually.
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Here in PA it will be tough. When we reopen, bowling centers will be permitted to operate at 50% capacity only. Add the "every other lane" only rule and it will tough to maintain normal league sizes. I am going back, for sure, but the nights where there were 48 5-man teams packing the house are over.
I welcome a transition to 3 and 4-man teams. Makes for a much nicer bowling night, actually.
It's going to be tough across the board. While I can see 3-person teams, I could see the league format being either extended to 4 games, or kept at 3 (which would get done faster), that could give the league enough time to split the league into 2 shifts (granted, no time for lane redressing), so that one half bowls on the fresh, the other bowls on the burn. Obviously those shifts could be decided randomly, so you don't know what you'll be bowling on, let alone against who.. Makes for an interesting format..
However, I'm more concerned with how youth leagues are going to go. Since the biggest youth league here could fit everyone on 32 lanes, with some of them already being 3 person teams (at least until you hit 12, then it jumps), I wonder how they'll split that up. Again, this is going to be an interesting fall season.
BL.
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Here in PA it will be tough. When we reopen, bowling centers will be permitted to operate at 50% capacity only. Add the "every other lane" only rule and it will tough to maintain normal league sizes. I am going back, for sure, but the nights where there were 48 5-man teams packing the house are over.
I welcome a transition to 3 and 4-man teams. Makes for a much nicer bowling night, actually.
It's going to be tough across the board. While I can see 3-person teams, I could see the league format being either extended to 4 games, or kept at 3 (which would get done faster), that could give the league enough time to split the league into 2 shifts (granted, no time for lane redressing), so that one half bowls on the fresh, the other bowls on the burn. Obviously those shifts could be decided randomly, so you don't know what you'll be bowling on, let alone against who.. Makes for an interesting format..
However, I'm more concerned with how youth leagues are going to go. Since the biggest youth league here could fit everyone on 32 lanes, with some of them already being 3 person teams (at least until you hit 12, then it jumps), I wonder how they'll split that up. Again, this is going to be an interesting fall season.
BL.
If you are still talking about bowling on every other lane, then the first shift could start on the odd lanes and the second shift could start on the even lanes. That way each team gets to bowl on fresh oil.
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There is no scientific basis for social distancing. This is bullshit. I recommend mass repudiation. Bowling alleys and countless other businesses can not fucntion is the majority of their space and resources is wasted on bullshit like social distancing. Not to mention giving name and contact information to every location you enter so you can be traced.
Besides making the business model unfeasible, just doing things will become so burdensome, people won't bother.
don't wear a mask
don't social distance
if enough did this, it would go away.
death to tyranny
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There is no scientific basis for social distancing. This is bullshit. I recommend mass repudiation. Bowling alleys and countless other businesses can not fucntion is the majority of their space and resources is wasted on bullshit like social distancing. Not to mention giving name and contact information to every location you enter so you can be traced.
Besides making the business model unfeasible, just doing things will become so burdensome, people won't bother.
don't wear a mask
don't social distance
if enough did this, it would go away.
death to tyranny
Time to put your crap to bed: dead, and buried.
The liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint. There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good. On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy. Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others. This court has more than once recognized it as a fundamental principle that
"persons and property are subjected to all kinds of restraints and burdens, in order to secure the general comfort, health, and prosperity of the State, of the perfect right of the legislature to do which no question ever was, or upon acknowledged general principles ever can be, made so far as natural persons are concerned."
- Justice John Marshall Harlan, United States Supreme Court
The case was Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905). 7-2 Majority decision. SCOTUS ruled you wrong. Get over it.
BL.
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There is no scientific basis for social distancing. This is bullshit. I recommend mass repudiation. Bowling alleys and countless other businesses can not fucntion is the majority of their space and resources is wasted on bullshit like social distancing. Not to mention giving name and contact information to every location you enter so you can be traced.
Besides making the business model unfeasible, just doing things will become so burdensome, people won't bother.
don't wear a mask
don't social distance
if enough did this, it would go away.
death to tyranny
Do you have a mental retardation?
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Our bowling centers opened in the last week and we had a league meeting last night for final payout of my 3 person team league.
I've been in this league for over 30 years and it has always been fairly stable in the number of teams with maybe a couple teams dropped and added each year.
Last night 7 of the 12 teams either said they were not coming back to bowling or were unsure of coming back.
The impression I got from management was that 1/3 to 1/2 of league teams are expressing doubt of returning in the fall.
My feelings is leagues will be significantly smaller in the fall with smaller leagues folding. Senior leagues are in particular trouble.
I'm not sure if a couple of the bowling centers will be able to survive.
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Our bowling centers opened in the last week and we had a league meeting last night for final payout of my 3 person team league.
I've been in this league for over 30 years and it has always been fairly stable in the number of teams with maybe a couple teams dropped and added each year.
Last night 7 of the 12 teams either said they were not coming back to bowling or were unsure of coming back.
The impression I got from management was that 1/3 to 1/2 of league teams are expressing doubt of returning in the fall.
My feelings is leagues will be significantly smaller in the fall with smaller leagues folding. Senior leagues are in particular trouble.
I'm not sure if a couple of the bowling centers will be able to survive.
There have been an increasing number of articles in the news about bowling centers and how they will survive moving forward. Most of the proprietors are expressing concern that if they are restricted to 50% capacity [which is becoming the norm in many states], they simply will not survive and they don't know if they can even consider reopening at all under those restrictions.
Others have discussed concern with leagues, and the possibilities of either severely limiting the number of available league bowling spots, or trying to accommodate all league bowlers by transitioning to split shift leagues (1/2 the league bowls at 6; the other 1/2 at 8:30...or even split the leagues up where 1/2 bowls one day and the other 1/2 bowls another day.)
Many people I know have said that if masks are required in our state while bowling, they are simply not returning as they flat out refuse to wear a mask while bowling.
I know that the center I bowl at 100% plans to reopen as soon as the state allows. They are also already planning to hold some sort of summer leagues as well as hold winter leagues starting in September. I plan to return regardless of whatever changes are in place. It will be strange initially I am sure, but I really do miss it and want to get back to the lanes.
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Our bowling centers opened in the last week and we had a league meeting last night for final payout of my 3 person team league.
I've been in this league for over 30 years and it has always been fairly stable in the number of teams with maybe a couple teams dropped and added each year.
Last night 7 of the 12 teams either said they were not coming back to bowling or were unsure of coming back.
The impression I got from management was that 1/3 to 1/2 of league teams are expressing doubt of returning in the fall.
My feelings is leagues will be significantly smaller in the fall with smaller leagues folding. Senior leagues are in particular trouble.
I'm not sure if a couple of the bowling centers will be able to survive.
I think you’re correct. Leagues will be very different. I know I’m not going back to finish the season or next fall.
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Many people I know have said that if masks are required in our state while bowling, they are simply not returning as they flat out refuse to wear a mask while bowling.
I know that the center I bowl at 100% plans to reopen as soon as the state allows. They are also already planning to hold some sort of summer leagues as well as hold winter leagues starting in September. I plan to return regardless of whatever changes are in place. It will be strange initially I am sure, but I really do miss it and want to get back to the lanes.
You bring up an interesting point. I haven't thought of how bowling with a mask on would be, as we require a lot of breathing with our form and approach. In short: I need to practice with a mask!
I also would go back regardless, because I miss it, but as we know there will be some serious changes, it would help all of us to be prepared for them. I mean, think about it this way: If we think league is going to be weird with these changes, think of the PBA, PWBA, or even Nationals.
BL.
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Many people I know have said that if masks are required in our state while bowling, they are simply not returning as they flat out refuse to wear a mask while bowling.
I know that the center I bowl at 100% plans to reopen as soon as the state allows. They are also already planning to hold some sort of summer leagues as well as hold winter leagues starting in September. I plan to return regardless of whatever changes are in place. It will be strange initially I am sure, but I really do miss it and want to get back to the lanes.
You bring up an interesting point. I haven't thought of how bowling with a mask on would be, as we require a lot of breathing with our form and approach. In short: I need to practice with a mask!
I also would go back regardless, because I miss it, but as we know there will be some serious changes, it would help all of us to be prepared for them. I mean, think about it this way: If we think league is going to be weird with these changes, think of the PBA, PWBA, or even Nationals.
BL.
I am anxious to watch the live PBA event this Saturday on Fox. Aside from no spectators, it will be interesting to see if any other "mitigation" steps are immediately noticeable or just sort of invisible.
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Our center is open, but our league hasn't discussed next year. The officers just paid out the money that was in the prize fund. No individual payouts, it was all just divided among the teams. If what many of you have said about your states, centers and you individually is true, I think bowling is pretty much dead in many areas. I wonder though, before businesses were shut down, the virus was out there, maybe for months. How many guys in your leagues fell ill, that you know of and did any die? Most didn't stop bowling until the lockdown came, but we knew there was something out there. What has changed now that makes you less willing to bowl again? Things are getting back to normal for many and we know (if you can trust what we are being told) that this is not going away, as is true of most viruses.
Do you plan to totally change your lives forever? That would mean never do a lot of the things were part of you regular lives, ever again. Is that feasible for you or the businesses affected? I live in an area that is not densely populated, that has about 50,000 people in our county. We have had 14 cases, 3 hospitalized and no deaths. Our factories for the most part never shut down and retail giants like Walmart and Menards have over a thousand people go through every day. I'm not sure what the answer for everyone is, but the only way to make this virus mutate into something less aggressive is through herd immunity. people not going out among others will never let us achieve this. It must be remembered that few healthy people suffered serious complications and only those with age or underlying conditions, should be the ones who take such precautions. Where is the outrage and worry from the people who locked us up, over the mass gathering of protesters around the nation who are spewing spit, and exchanging sweat from close contact in these situations? Yet, we worry about what can happen bowling? If we don't see major outbreaks from the protesters, we should pretty much know the worst is over.
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Our local center is reopening on June 16, but there will be no summer leagues this season. Just open bowling, as well as a weekly singles pattern tournament will be conducted this summer. The center has undergone extensive modifications for increased safety purposes. This includes the installation of plexi-glass shields at the
control counter and enhanced cleaning/sanitizing of all contact surfaces, including the telescores, seats, etc. Bowling will also be limited to 12 lanes (out of a total of 24), with bowlers being assigned to every other lane only. All employees will be required to wear safety masks at ALL times while on duty, with no exceptions--even in the restrooms.
I believe that unless and until either a vaccine and/or effective treatments are found for Covid-19, that we will be forever changed in terms of our habits. This virus has shown no mercy in terms of its severity and its high mortality rate (when compared to, say influenza, etc.). Just recently, a healthy 34 year old died from it after being on a respirator for close to 2 weeks. It is true that the mortality rates are higher for those over age 65 (that's me), and for those with compromised immune systems. However, anybody can become infected and pass it onto those who are practicing
social distancing guidelines. This stuff is no joke. It's the real McCoy, unfortunately.
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All employees will be required to wear safety masks at ALL times while on duty, with no exceptions--even in the restrooms.
The company I work for is ending telecommuting and bringing us back to the office over the next couple of weeks. We have the same mask rules. Masks at all times, even in the bathroom. The only time we can take it off is when we are actually sitting down at our desk. As soon as we stand up it has to go back on.
This will be status quo for quite some time until a vaccine becomes readily available.
Bowling centers around here should be back open by the end of this month. Summer leagues are planned ( as long as the state permits leagues...some states are not permitting leagues even after reopening.). I am ready to get back to bowling!
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Vaccines will not eradicate the virus. People who have taken flu vaccines have many times gotten the flu. If you're pinning your hopes on that for going back to normal, then you are just kidding yourself. No virus has ever been eradicated. Having the virus mutate in an effort to not die, is the only answer. That can't be done with everyone wearing masks and social distancing. There is no real solution to ending this especially with many in our country absolutely frightened about it. They must start thinking logically and understanding how to avoid risks.
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Vaccines will not eradicate the virus. People who have taken flu vaccines have many times gotten the flu. If you're pinning your hopes on that for going back to normal, then you are just kidding yourself. No virus has ever been eradicated. Having the virus mutate in an effort to not die, is the only answer. That can't be done with everyone wearing masks and social distancing. There is no real solution to ending this especially with many in our country absolutely frightened about it. They must start thinking logically and understanding how to avoid risks.
That's not really true. Perhaps not totally eradicated, but viruses have been made to be no longer a problem.
In my lifetime polio and small pox are no longer an issue.
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Indeed. And let's add to that list of diseases those that have been eradicated or (nearly so) the following:
Measles
Bacterial influenza
Mumps
Rubella
Tetanus
Diptheria
Chjcken Pox
In addition, there is now an effective treatment being used to minimize the symptoms of influenza (called Tamiflu).
Also, AIDS was a death sentence 20 years ago. Not anymore, thanks to the development of medicines that now allow sufferers to live long, normal lives.
There are no guarantees that a vaccine or an effective treatment will eventually be found for Covid-19. However, it is way too early to draw the conclusion that none will be found. The last thing we should want is to be telling the medical researchers, the labs, that the situation is entirely hopeless and it would be much better if they packed up and abandoned their search.
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Indeed. And let's add to that list of diseases those that have been eradicated or (nearly so) the following:
Measles
Bacterial influenza
Mumps
Rubella
Tetanus
Diptheria
Chjcken Pox
In addition, there is now an effective treatment being used to minimize the symptoms of influenza (called Tamiflu).
Also, AIDS was a death sentence 20 years ago. Not anymore, thanks to the development of medicines that now allow sufferers to live long, normal lives.
There are no guarantees that a vaccine or an effective treatment will eventually be found for Covid-19. However, it is way too early to draw the conclusion that none will be found. The last thing we should want is to be telling the medical researchers, the labs, that the situation is entirely hopeless and it would be much better if they packed up and abandoned their search.
Measles is still around unfortunately. 10 million cases worldwide in 2018, resulting in 140,000 deaths. The United States measles rates aren't bad, but some areas of the world are still struggling with it.
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Indeed. And let's add to that list of diseases those that have been eradicated or (nearly so) the following:
Measles
Bacterial influenza
Mumps
Rubella
Tetanus
Diptheria
Chjcken Pox
In addition, there is now an effective treatment being used to minimize the symptoms of influenza (called Tamiflu).
Also, AIDS was a death sentence 20 years ago. Not anymore, thanks to the development of medicines that now allow sufferers to live long, normal lives.
There are no guarantees that a vaccine or an effective treatment will eventually be found for Covid-19. However, it is way too early to draw the conclusion that none will be found. The last thing we should want is to be telling the medical researchers, the labs, that the situation is entirely hopeless and it would be much better if they packed up and abandoned their search.
Measles is still around unfortunately. 10 million cases worldwide in 2018, resulting in 140,000 deaths. The United States measles rates aren't bad, but some areas of the world are still struggling with it.
I think you missed the point. All of these viruses are "still around". But with modern vaccines, they are not an issue.
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Indeed. And let's add to that list of diseases those that have been eradicated or (nearly so) the following:
Measles
Bacterial influenza
Mumps
Rubella
Tetanus
Diptheria
Chjcken Pox
In addition, there is now an effective treatment being used to minimize the symptoms of influenza (called Tamiflu).
Also, AIDS was a death sentence 20 years ago. Not anymore, thanks to the development of medicines that now allow sufferers to live long, normal lives.
There are no guarantees that a vaccine or an effective treatment will eventually be found for Covid-19. However, it is way too early to draw the conclusion that none will be found. The last thing we should want is to be telling the medical researchers, the labs, that the situation is entirely hopeless and it would be much better if they packed up and abandoned their search.
Measles is still around unfortunately. 10 million cases worldwide in 2018, resulting in 140,000 deaths. The United States measles rates aren't bad, but some areas of the world are still struggling with it.
I think you missed the point. All of these viruses are "still around". But with modern vaccines, they are not an issue.
I didn't "miss the point". The post said "And let's add to that list of diseases those that have been eradicated or (nearly so)..."
If something is "eradicated" it is not still around.
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Illinois gets to open centers this coming Friday at "half capacity based on 6 bowlers per lane"
Couple local centers that are going to open for summer leagues have adjusted things to trios to maximize what they can pull off. Masks are required everywhere in the center, except the "bowling" area.
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Manufacturers, distributors, proshops, bowling centers are hurting. This will also affect usbc. Local summer leagues here aren't sanctioning for various reason. One reason on the youth/adult league is the safe sport enforcement by usbc. The adults didn't want to take the online class.
Many businesses can't afford this long of a shutdown or limited operation . Im sure many in bowling can't. More then a few local restaurant chains have closed for good. Curious to see the number of closures in bowling the next few months.
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Illinois gets to open centers this coming Friday at "half capacity based on 6 bowlers per lane"
Couple local centers that are going to open for summer leagues have adjusted things to trios to maximize what they can pull off. Masks are required everywhere in the center, except the "bowling" area.
If everything stays on schedule (The spread continues to decline in Michigan), our centers are scheduled to open by July 4th. 🤞🏻
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I'm calling it now. This stuff isn't over. Please be careful.
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Saw this today:
The Coronavirus doesn't care:
1. That we are bored with all of it.
2. That we want to hold a political rally.
3. That businesses have closed and jobs have been lost.
4. That schools are closed.
5. That we are Republican or Democrat
6. That we miss our family and friends.
7. Whether we live or die.
8. That our kids are driving us crazy.
9. That our kids are miserable.
10.That the weather is nice.
11.That our hair looks bad.
There is no vaccine. There is no cure. The only tools we have are the ones everybody is fed up with------ Staying at home as much as possible. Hand washing. face covering. Social distancing.
If we abandon these, It's going to get worse.
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Definitely good points, & #7 is SO true & really hits home. Some just don't care though, and are more worried about their so called freedoms. (cough, cough) Sigh!
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What if this entire thing is being amped up to distract from something else?
The virus is real of course and the Chinese released this on us in my opinion. But it does present a great opportunity for a certain group.
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What if this entire thing is being amped up to distract from something else?
The virus is real of course and the Chinese released this on us in my opinion. But it does present a great opportunity for a certain group.
Are you implying that news outlets owned by billionaires that have an agenda are somehow spinning stories to control the general population and distract them from other atrocities?
I like how no one mentioned the massive DDOS attack we were on the receiving end of when most cell phone carriers along with several huge internet services went dark for over an hour and there was no peep of it anywhere because that kind of narrative doesn't fit in with the spin they want us to be sucked into?
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Exactly Room. All one needs to do is look at who is profiting off the current environment.
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Conspiracy Theory & Theorist are alive on this forum / this tread. ::) AND we are not even a News Organization nor a political inspired talk show platform. :o
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Conspiracy Theory & Theorist are alive on this forum / this tread. ::) AND we are not even a News Organization nor a political inspired talk show platform. :o
Yea, what would I know about anything. I've only worked for one of the largest providers of Skilled Nursing Care and Mental Health services in California for the past 13 years.
I know what I see. And what I see on the news is not what we are seeing in our hospitals and Skilled Nursing facilities.
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Yeah, I hear you but cannot find a emoji that displays a pat on the back. I'm sure you are good @ what you do in life. And kudos to you for doing so. I'd say don't take it personally, but it appears that you already have. Geesh! ::) Open fire and flame away @ your discretion. One has to wonder what these latest couple of posts has to do with the bowling forum in general that we all enjoy though.
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"Conspiracy Theory & Theorist are alive on this forum / this tread."
Ah, my bad. I guess I misread this compliment as an insult. ::)
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The governor of Illinois plan for Friday changed a bit today, either bad assumptions by everyone, or they pivoted, but it's now the LESSER of 50% of capacity based on 6 persons per lane or 50 people, counting employees in the center at one time. So smaller centers might still justify giving it a go near term, but big centers, this hurts.
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The governor of Illinois plan for Friday changed a bit today, either bad assumptions by everyone, or they pivoted, but it's now the LESSER of 50% of capacity based on 6 persons per lane or 50 people, counting employees in the center at one time. So smaller centers might still justify giving it a go near term, but big centers, this hurts.
Yea, it definitely hurts. But at least there will be some cash flow.
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CV case fatality rate is less than .26%.
And then consider the horrible treatment in nursing homes. Inflated numbers from ventilator murder in places like Elmhurst hospital. Couting people who suspect died "with" covid as "from" covid and it's a mess.
Still waiting for a shred of science that ANY of there meauses prevent illness. How about letting the young and health get it, develop immunity and then just forgot about the whole thing.
This is about destroying small businesses and implementing a tyranny control grid. Not about virus. Went bowling in CT this weekend, no one there gave a fuck. Of course place mostly empty. Didn't wear a face mask either. Even people at desk didn't unless they were directly talking to customers. Then it went right off again.
And this isn't going to "hurt" bowling. It continues it will END bowling and movies and weddings and holidays and hotels and pretty much anything that give life joy and meaning.
If someone else is afraid of covid-19, let them bunker down home or put on a hazmat suit any of the rare times they need to step outside. I don't care. What I do care about is you people destroying businesses and lives by supporting corrupt politicians and destroying businesses. In other words, you can live in fear and horror until you are dead, just leave the rest of us rationale folks alone to live our lives.
Why can't we just agree on that and end this nonsense?
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CV case fatality rate is less than .26%.
And then consider the horrible treatment in nursing homes. Inflated numbers from ventilator murder in places like Elmhurst hospital. Couting people who suspect died "with" covid as "from" covid and it's a mess.
Still waiting for a shred of science that ANY of there meauses prevent illness. How about letting the young and health get it, develop immunity and then just forgot about the whole thing.
This is about destroying small businesses and implementing a tyranny control grid. Not about virus. Went bowling in CT this weekend, no one there gave a fuck. Of course place mostly empty. Didn't wear a face mask either. Even people at desk didn't unless they were directly talking to customers. Then it went right off again.
And this isn't going to "hurt" bowling. It continues it will END bowling and movies and weddings and holidays and hotels and pretty much anything that give life joy and meaning.
If someone else is afraid of covid-19, let them bunker down home or put on a hazmat suit any of the rare times they need to step outside. I don't care. What I do care about is you people destroying businesses and lives by supporting corrupt politicians and destroying businesses. In other words, you can live in fear and horror until you are dead, just leave the rest of us rationale folks alone to live our lives.
Why can't we just agree on that and end this nonsense?
Your on to something here; I mostly agree with your assessment. Ignorance is definitely bliss here.
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Am I'm the conspiracy theorist? Jesus! 🤣
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If there are any bowling alleys or pro shops left in North Carolina, they've been pushed back to July 17.
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All these selfish hillbillies doing whatever they want fucked it up for everyone.
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All these selfish hillbillies doing whatever they want fucked it up for everyone.
Phase 4 is gonna send us right back to phase 1
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All these selfish hillbillies doing whatever they want fucked it up for everyone.
Phase 4 is gonna send us right back to phase 1
Sad. :-[ But thinking, oh so true. :( It's a total mess worldwide, especially true in the US of A. :-\
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All these selfish hillbillies doing whatever they want fucked it up for everyone.
Phase 4 is gonna send us right back to phase 1
For sure there’s a sweeper at Poplar Creek tonight and they are already manipulating the numbers by saying the bar and bowling center are two different entities even though they are under the same roof. 50 in the bar and 50 in center. 100 people in the building and you don’t have to wear a mask in seatee area? Two things this pandemic has cemented is most Americans are selfish and/or stupid.
All these people who are barely qualified to bag groceries are suddenly infectious disease experts online with medical degrees/credentials from the top universities in the world. I can’t trust these same people to bathe on a consistent basis so I will not be in close contact with them to bowl.
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All these selfish hillbillies doing whatever they want fucked it up for everyone.
Phase 4 is gonna send us right back to phase 1
For sure there’s a sweeper at Poplar Creek tonight and they are already manipulating the numbers by saying the bar and bowling center are two different entities even though they are under the same roof. 50 in the bar and 50 in center. 100 people in the building and you don’t have to wear a mask in seatee area? Two things this pandemic has cemented is most Americans are selfish and/or stupid.
All these people who are barely qualified to bag groceries are suddenly infectious disease experts online with medical degrees/credentials from the top universities in the world. I can’t trust these same people to bathe on a consistent basis so I will not be in close contact with them to bowl.
Is Jerry running that?
You know, there's nothing I would love to do more than bowl a sweeper, but there is no chance in hell I'm walking into a center in the next 4 to 5 months. And if I was, I'd have hand sanitizer on my belt and my mask on full time.
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Yes he is. I wish him luck.
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As do I. The timing is just not ideal.
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As do I. The timing is just not ideal.
Feel the same, the whole situation is going to be interesting. I'm central of the state enough and rural enough we really haven't felt the affects of what it can do, so it doesn't feel as real. Tomorrow there's a sweeper in Rockford, but they aren't playing the bar being separate for packing people in, still not sure if it's the right call to go or not.
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Bowled for the first time in 14 weeks today. Felt good to get out of the house for something other than a food/supplies run. Bowled for about an hour then left.
It didn't necessarily feel 100% safe. I was the only customer wearing a mask. Employees all had on masks. As people left, they were not going down to clean off tables/seats/monitors/scoring consoles. They are also not requiring masks to enter the center. Not the most ideal situation.
League starts next week. It will be interesting to see how many people participate. It will also be interesting to see how long we can make it before the first reported case at the center. It is not a question of if, rather when. I am staying masked up and not touching anyone else or anything unnecessarily. If I do, hand sanitizer will be at the ready.
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As do I. The timing is just not ideal.
Feel the same, the whole situation is going to be interesting. I'm central of the state enough and rural enough we really haven't felt the affects of what it can do, so it doesn't feel as real. Tomorrow there's a sweeper in Rockford, but they aren't playing the bar being separate for packing people in, still not sure if it's the right call to go or not.
I was talking with my Motiv rep and he says that Jerry has been running them every week. He also mentioned Rockford and I was like "If I had any equipment, I would." My old Global stuff that was in rotation got forgotten in a move a couple of months ago and I'm here with nothing. Heck, I think I have 1 thumb slug and my tape and shoes. I have an Assassin in the closet but I haven't put holes in anything yet.
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As do I. The timing is just not ideal.
Feel the same, the whole situation is going to be interesting. I'm central of the state enough and rural enough we really haven't felt the affects of what it can do, so it doesn't feel as real. Tomorrow there's a sweeper in Rockford, but they aren't playing the bar being separate for packing people in, still not sure if it's the right call to go or not.
I was talking with my Motiv rep and he says that Jerry has been running them every week. He also mentioned Rockford and I was like "If I had any equipment, I would." My old Global stuff that was in rotation got forgotten in a move a couple of months ago and I'm here with nothing. Heck, I think I have 1 thumb slug and my tape and shoes. I have an Assassin in the closet but I haven't put holes in anything yet.
Yup, the Rockford ones are weekly too. I'll see Joe tomorrow as I think i'm going to make the trip.
Hope you can get some stuff punched soon and feel good about using it, not sure if you're still in that area but did hear Mardi Gras opened up in Dekalb, i'm sure they at least are making some attempt at keeping the place sterilized as Brian has always done well in keeping up with the place.
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As do I. The timing is just not ideal.
Feel the same, the whole situation is going to be interesting. I'm central of the state enough and rural enough we really haven't felt the affects of what it can do, so it doesn't feel as real. Tomorrow there's a sweeper in Rockford, but they aren't playing the bar being separate for packing people in, still not sure if it's the right call to go or not.
I was talking with my Motiv rep and he says that Jerry has been running them every week. He also mentioned Rockford and I was like "If I had any equipment, I would." My old Global stuff that was in rotation got forgotten in a move a couple of months ago and I'm here with nothing. Heck, I think I have 1 thumb slug and my tape and shoes. I have an Assassin in the closet but I haven't put holes in anything yet.
Yup, the Rockford ones are weekly too. I'll see Joe tomorrow as I think i'm going to make the trip.
Hope you can get some stuff punched soon and feel good about using it, not sure if you're still in that area but did hear Mardi Gras opened up in Dekalb, i'm sure they at least are making some attempt at keeping the place sterilized as Brian has always done well in keeping up with the place.
Brian is good people, I hope they come out of this in the black. I'm not a fan of 4 seasons. I'm supposed to be bowling the sport shot league in the fall with people that aren't going to bail on me, but everything is so unsure right now. I at least want to throw a Covert and Ghost in a bag before I try to compete lol
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CV case fatality rate is less than .26%.
And then consider the horrible treatment in nursing homes. Inflated numbers from ventilator murder in places like Elmhurst hospital. Couting people who suspect died "with" covid as "from" covid and it's a mess.
Still waiting for a shred of science that ANY of there meauses prevent illness. How about letting the young and health get it, develop immunity and then just forgot about the whole thing.
This is about destroying small businesses and implementing a tyranny control grid. Not about virus. Went bowling in CT this weekend, no one there gave a fuck. Of course place mostly empty. Didn't wear a face mask either. Even people at desk didn't unless they were directly talking to customers. Then it went right off again.
And this isn't going to "hurt" bowling. It continues it will END bowling and movies and weddings and holidays and hotels and pretty much anything that give life joy and meaning.
If someone else is afraid of covid-19, let them bunker down home or put on a hazmat suit any of the rare times they need to step outside. I don't care. What I do care about is you people destroying businesses and lives by supporting corrupt politicians and destroying businesses. In other words, you can live in fear and horror until you are dead, just leave the rest of us rationale folks alone to live our lives.
Why can't we just agree on that and end this nonsense?
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At this point, all statistics provided by health experts should be viewed as "educated predictions" but not much more than that. Guidance has been changed several times over what is and isn't acceptable. The much-maligned HCQ treatment fell into, out of and may now be back into favor. Multiple states have funked up the reporting process for cases. A guy that I work with in my industry lost his dad to chronic COPD and they tried to report him as a Covid death despite him never testing positive for it. So many people tried to use this disease for one selfish reason or another (political, financial, chaos, whatever) that it's created a situation where credibility is in short supply. This Franklin Veaux guy who is linked above shows his own lack of grasp on reality at the end with "If we reopen the economy, it will be destroyed anyway," because he apparently doesn't understand infection rates and doesn't account for mutations or mortality factor.
Having said that, we're already past the point of needing to get back to living life in a semi-normal way, or we're going to cause other health issues (lack of testing at hospitals for other illnesses like cancer, mental health issues, drug overdoses, an uptick in domestic violence and violence against children who live in troubled homes, etc.).
I've been bowling a summer league at DeLuna in Pensacola, Fla. Kris Prather's dad runs the league and the pro shop there. We're muddling through as best we can. We did lose a team to positive Covid tests, and one of those bowlers was said to have ended up hospitalized. It's a 20-team league (60 bowlers) and most have stuck with it.
Masks are encouraged, but it's the summer in the South and probably only 5-10 bowlers actually bowl with the masks on due to heat/sweat on the face/etc. I tried and I can't do it. I would say to anyone reading this who hasn't tried to get back into league that you're probably not going to like bowling in league very much with one on, especially if you are in a warmer area.
By the way, in my critique of Covid response, I'm not saying I've found the way out of this, either. But I also can't sign onto the idea of essentially giving up two years of my already short life on this planet on the chance that I might get sick from this thing, either.
Jess
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I just practiced the other day----first time I bowled since mid march. I guess since I forgot what it felt like to bowl it didn't bother me to wear a mask--I am in south Florida and local ordinances dictate we must--long term having to wear a mask while bowling would irk me. they would only use every other lane. I also noticed that they removed half of the tables , so I imagine they are not having 2 teams to a pair for league bowling. Part of me wants to say it is what it is, and another part of me is saying this is all ridiculous, just let things be the way they always were and hope for the best.
Brad
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I just practiced the other day----first time I bowled since mid march. I guess since I forgot what it felt like to bowl it didn't bother me to wear a mask--I am in south Florida and local ordinances dictate we must--long term having to wear a mask while bowling would irk me. they would only use every other lane. I also noticed that they removed half of the tables , so I imagine they are not having 2 teams to a pair for league bowling. Part of me wants to say it is what it is, and another part of me is saying this is all ridiculous, just let things be the way they always were and hope for the best.
Brad
We have been back to bowling here for about a month now. My state requires masks in all public places as well, even while working out/participating in indoor sports. That being said, our bowling center has gone against the state and made them optional for customers. 90% of people don't wear them.
They only use every other lane for open bowling and senior leagues. Otherwise it is leagues as usual...two teams to a pair...no distancing guidelines being followed. League night is 70+ people bowling as normal despite the state restricting indoor groups to 25. Two teams per pair, mostly no masks, giving "five" after strikes and spares, etc. I am one of the 10% that wears masks, stays away from others between frames, and doesn't touch anyone. There is definite risk being there, especially with 1,000 new cases per day still in our state, but it is good to be able to get out the house and do something for a couple of hours per week.
The guidance on this whole pandemic changes daily. No one knows for certain what is right and wrong. Might as well get out and try to do something "normal" once in a while instead of staying locked up at home. I figure I am wearing my mask always in public, washing my hands regularly, not touching my face while out and about, not touching other people directly. If I get it, I can at least say I tried my best to avoid it.
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I just practiced the other day----first time I bowled since mid march. I guess since I forgot what it felt like to bowl it didn't bother me to wear a mask--I am in south Florida and local ordinances dictate we must--long term having to wear a mask while bowling would irk me. they would only use every other lane. I also noticed that they removed half of the tables , so I imagine they are not having 2 teams to a pair for league bowling. Part of me wants to say it is what it is, and another part of me is saying this is all ridiculous, just let things be the way they always were and hope for the best.
Brad
We have been back to bowling here for about a month now. My state requires masks in all public places as well, even while working out/participating in indoor sports. That being said, our bowling center has gone against the state and made them optional for customers. 90% of people don't wear them.
They only use every other lane for open bowling and senior leagues. Otherwise it is leagues as usual...two teams to a pair...no distancing guidelines being followed. League night is 70+ people bowling as normal despite the state restricting indoor groups to 25. Two teams per pair, mostly no masks, giving "five" after strikes and spares, etc. I am one of the 10% that wears masks, stays away from others between frames, and doesn't touch anyone. There is definite risk being there, especially with 1,000 new cases per day still in our state, but it is good to be able to get out the house and do something for a couple of hours per week.
I'm rather envious. It's a 200 mile drive in one direction to the closest 2 bowling alleys open to us in Sacramento, and for one, it may be an 800 mile drive back, as the closest that's open is in Weed, followed by Yreka, then Medford, Oregon. However, since those have had more relaxing rules, they are also seeing a spike in outbreaks to where they are getting shut down again. Reno/Carson City is out. Bay area is out. Central valley to SoCal is out. Vegas is out. so we're really hurting and anxious to bowl over here, but just can't, because some people think that this is tyranny, don't want to adhere to any guidances, and thinking that this is just a huge conspiracy.
The guidance on this whole pandemic changes daily. No one knows for certain what is right and wrong. Might as well get out and try to do something "normal" once in a while instead of staying locked up at home. I figure I am wearing my mask always in public, washing my hands regularly, not touching my face while out and about, not touching other people directly. If I get it, I can at least say I tried my best to avoid it.
I will say this. It was just mentioned throughout international news outlets (I stress "international", so people will not pick any political sides in this) that after 8 months of this, the biggest isolated country in the world just had its first confirmed case - through no fault of its own; someone crossed the border from the country below it that had already had outbreaks - and they are locking down even faster and harder than we have over the same 8 months. They already appear on track to eliminate this while waiting for a vaccine to be produced worldwide. You know it will be sad if they get it under control vaster than we do because of the naivety/ignorance of people here.
BL.
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"Naivety/Ignorance" is actually believing a news report that North Korea hasn't had a single case until now(regardless of the source of the report). ::)