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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: carlos on March 13, 2020, 11:19:28 AM
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Has any leagues been cancelled that some of you bowl in due to the Coronavirus ? A tournament I was going to bowl in pulled the plug. I'm in Ohio where mass gatherings of 100 or more are prohibited. Things are changing daily so it could be an adjustment after the 2 p.m. press conference.
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I'm supposed to bowl the Ohio State tournament 3/28 & 3/29. Has a cancellation been announced yet? Anyone bowling that know?
UPDATE: My dumb ass should have just visited the site:
"All Ohio State USBC tournament competition for this weekend (3/14 & 3/15) is postponed."
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Isn't it a decentralized process? My guess is it will take a vote, or a majority of people to do it league by league. The house, I'm assuming, will want to stay open as long as possible. I'd like to keep going but if whole teams bow out I wouldn't feel right about continuing, even if that could be really bad for the alleys.
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Has any leagues been cancelled that some of you bowl in due to the Coronavirus ? A tournament I was going to bowl in pulled the plug. I'm in Ohio where mass gatherings of 100 or more are prohibited. Things are changing daily so it could be an adjustment after the 2 p.m. press conference.
Great question. I bowl in two leagues in the same house here in northern NJ. The Thursday night league bowled as scheduled last night. So far, I have not heard anything about closing or suspensions. The house is a family run operation. Management's intention is to keep the place open, but like you said, that position could change tomorrow or even today.
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Ohio Inter City tourney is still on for this weekend but is cancelled the next two weekends. As of now the weekends of April 4/5 are still on as well as the other April weekends. Officials are trying to work out other dates to make up the 2 missed weekends but Holiday Bowl has a PBA regional the first weekend of May....
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With the USBC making the call on the tournaments, this affected us here in Norcal, as the Pepsi Youth tournament has now been cancelled. Our local alley is putting together an alternate tournament for the kids, while we are still waiting to find out about the State tournaments which are slated for 2 weeks from now.
BL.
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With the USBC making the call on the tournaments, this affected us here in Norcal, as the Pepsi Youth tournament has now been cancelled. Our local alley is putting together an alternate tournament for the kids, while we are still waiting to find out about the State tournaments which are slated for 2 weeks from now.
BL.
Legally, this may not be allowed.
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Perfect time to make sure all of your extra holes are plugged. :)
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I just got a call from one of my teammates. Our house--Montvale Lanes-- is closing from Mar. 14-Mar.28.
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Our Monday league is large (190 bowlers), and in accordance with trying to limit groups of 100+ people we have decided to not bowl for the next two weeks. After that we will decide a course of action because this thing is changing day to day.
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With the USBC making the call on the tournaments, this affected us here in Norcal, as the Pepsi Youth tournament has now been cancelled. Our local alley is putting together an alternate tournament for the kids, while we are still waiting to find out about the State tournaments which are slated for 2 weeks from now.
BL.
Legally, this may not be allowed.
How so? care to elaborate?
I ask because I can see ambiguity between the USBC hosting an event, versus USBC sponsoring or certifying an event. For example, State tournaments are certified by the USBC, but are hosted and governed by that state's bowling association.
BL.
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I believe - but could be wrong - he is referring to the cap on the number of people at a gathering. If you exceed that number at the gathering - the tournament- could be illegal.
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Is it really that important to run a tournament at this time?
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With the USBC making the call on the tournaments, this affected us here in Norcal, as the Pepsi Youth tournament has now been cancelled. Our local alley is putting together an alternate tournament for the kids, while we are still waiting to find out about the State tournaments which are slated for 2 weeks from now.
BL.
Legally, this may not be allowed.
How so? care to elaborate?
I ask because I can see ambiguity between the USBC hosting an event, versus USBC sponsoring or certifying an event. For example, State tournaments are certified by the USBC, but are hosted and governed by that state's bowling association.
BL.
Depending on the amount of participants, it could be too large a gathering.
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Our New Mexico Women's State Bowling Tournament has been canceled
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South Dakota State Tournaments are still on, but would not be surprised if that changes.
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our senior championships have been canceled. but our other senior leagues have not. although our travel league has been moved from Fort Lewis to another center in town
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Postponed our Monday night league until April 6 as a precautionary measure. Mostly a seniors league, so it made sense seeing that they are the most vulnerable age group.
Hope everyone stays safe as well.
A trauma surgeon friend is in charge of the trauma response for the entire province of Ontario and he is quite concerned that if there is a mass onslaught of people with the virus, that the hospitals will very soon be overrun and be unable to effectively treat everyone. Doesn’t matter how prepared you think you or your city or state are heed the experts recommendations. Please practice proper hygiene and hand washing as it is very effective and your first line of defence.
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My center and league in South Florida has not closed or been postponed yet. We had position nite thursday and the team we were bowling didn't show because of the coronavirus, they are going to post bowl. I would be less concerned as someone likr myself with their own equipment.... ball shoes etc...but if I were a casual bowler who rents house shoes and uses a house ball I would be concerned about using the shoes worn by many others(I know they spray them after each use) and then using a ball that has had how many hands on them and fingers in the holes.
Brad
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Cloverleaf Family Bowl in Fremont California has closed effective 3/15 until 3/30.
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Our Tuesday night league has 54 / 5 man teams. Indianapolis has mandated that no more than 250 people can gather at any one time. I'm told that each team will have to use one blind score for the rest of the season, getting us to 54 / 4 man teams. There will not be any bystanders / family permitted to attend. I haven't heard anything yet on the Wednesday night and Thursday night leagues, which are smaller leagues.
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Our Tuesday night league has 54 / 5 man teams. Indianapolis has mandated that no more than 250 people can gather at any one time. I'm told that each team will have to use one blind score for the rest of the season, getting us to 54 / 4 man teams. There will not be any bystanders / family permitted to attend. I haven't heard anything yet on the Wednesday night and Thursday night leagues, which are smaller leagues.
So, for the unlucky teammate that gets locked out do they only pay prize fund and not lineage? Is that the only league in the house on that night? This is definitely a creative solution, but how do you decide which teammate sits out. Are you all taking turns taking a week off?
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Haven't heard what they're doing about the money yet. I know that's going to come up though. Our team is going is going to take turns sitting out. I think we've got 5 weeks left, so everybody would end up sitting out one week.
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Getting interesting in Ohio. Governor stated he doesn’t know when schools will reopen and may not reopen this school year. If that’s the case I think everything is in trouble in Ohio. Hell they closed all the casinos for 2 or 3 weeks. Now you know it’s really serious here.
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The Wisconsin State Tournament has been suspended after this weekend. Our Governor is saying no gathering of more than 250. Our league has 80 bowlers but we bowl on two different nights as we have only 8 lanes. I would think we would continue, but make sure we tell all bowlers who feel they are getting sick or are sick to stay home. We are not a highly populated are so I think we are in less danger than bigger cities.
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Today's league was cancelled so I'm pretty sure mine on Tuesday will be too.
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Major retailers like Apple and Nike have closed until 3/27. Small business owners risk losing it all now.
I’m not seeing as many internet medical professionals now that shit has gotten really real.
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I'm not downplaying the coronavirus, but how is this getting any more real than H1N1 was? 60.8 million Americans were infected with H1N1 and 12,469 deaths were reported. When it was finally declared a national emergency 1000 had already died. I don't remember closures and the panic instilled by the media over that. That was a damn serious thing as over 500,000 died worldwide!!
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Classic Bowl, Daly City California is now closed until April 1st
Also heard that Sea Bowl in Pacifica is also closed, but can't confirm.
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Classic Bowl, Daly City California is now closed until April 1st
Also heard that Sea Bowl in Pacifica is also closed, but can't confirm.
I read on FB that Sea Bowl is confirmed to be closed. In SoCal, I haven't heard (yet) of any center closing. The local centers I bowl in are trying to stay open with enhanced hygiene practices. It's a tough situation for an owner to shut down unless there is clearly no other choice.
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The numbers are staggering…. Over 2billion mentions in the media. How will anyone survive? Had a great time bowling a sweeper tournament today with 80+ entries. Maybe the last one before the end
https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/?fbclid=IwAR28g0dpD914gZVwuAYshfqi_Z_m4630KKakHuzxIsHYZEfkLQ-RQtQWeGY (https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/?fbclid=IwAR28g0dpD914gZVwuAYshfqi_Z_m4630KKakHuzxIsHYZEfkLQ-RQtQWeGY)
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California governor just ordered all bars in the state closed.
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California governor just ordered all bars in the state closed.
From what I've read, it's a "request" that he expects to be obeyed. We'll see how that goes. :)
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Ohio just announced all bars and restaurants to close starting tonight at 9. Take out and delivery still allowed. For now.
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Ohio just announced all bars and restaurants to close starting tonight at 9. Take out and delivery still allowed. For now.
Illinois is doing the same, effective end of business tomorrow (Monday, March 16) for two weeks minimum. Going to be interesting
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Take out only? That's rough. No way that can spread a virus. As smart as Starbucks doing drive thru only at many locations. No flaws there.
Local and state associations postponed recent and upcoming tournaments. The tournament I bowled today had it's USBC certification pulled two days ago because USBC strongly advises against tournaments and leagues. If leagues continue are they going to pull league USBC certifications?
Trying to take away potential business from the local centers seems like dangerous territory to mess with when the businesses chooses to continue on.
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Just saw that most of the local centers are shutting down tonight due to our California Governor's latest announced restrictions.
I'm taking my wife out to a restaurant for dinner in an hour. Hopefully, that won't shut down before we place our order.
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Still working and working overtime here since the IRS still hasn't extended the tax deadlines.
Basically can work and workout at the gym. Everything else of entertainment value is closing and no sports
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CDC is recommending 8 weeks of no gatherings of 50 or more to contain the spread. Adios nationals 2020...
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Just got the word that our 54 team league just got shut down for the season. I expect the other leagues to be cancelled tomorrow. I sure didn't think it was going to come to all of this 3-4 weeks ago when coronavirus first made the news out of China.
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Ohio has now hinted at shuttering Daycares.
Pretty much everything for the next 8 weeks is toast. Be safe everyone
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Castro Valley bowl and Manor bowl Both in East Sf bay area now closed
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Bowling alleys are still open for now but leagues are cancelling and tournaments are “pausingâ€.
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We are postponed until April 6th. We will have a meeting and prob vote to just shut it down.
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Ordered a pizza last night. Figured it might be the last one for awhile with as fast as things keep changing.
Everyone stay safe and healthy out there.
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Our league is off for atleast 2 weeks at this time...
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The PA state tournament was pushed back a month.
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Ohio just announced all bowling alleys rec centers gyms fitness centers movie theatres to close by end of business today until further notice. We were supposed to vote tomorrow. Pushed 10 weeks to June 2. That’s a huge deal.
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EA Dublin bowl postpones all leagues, but doesn't close.
Hello Everyone:
We have been keeping up to date on all the news related to COVID-19 as many of you have. With the most recent CDC advisories & that Alameda County will soon impose a 100 person limit on gatherings; Earl Anthony’s Dublin Bowl has made the decision to postpone all leagues for the next two weeks.
Further decisions will be based on the best available information at that time.
With the close proximity of teammates in league bowling, we felt that “Social Distancing†would be impossible to achieve.
At this time, the bowl will remain open for open bowling with open bowlers spread out throughout the center.
Through these types of emails, we’ll do our best to keep you informed of our status.
EADB
EA Dublin bowl updates to say they will be closed until April 7th.
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My center proactively shut itself down.
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Our center is still open but our league is taking two weeks off then we meet 3/31 to discuss next steps.
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Maplewood Lanes back home in Omaha just postponed all of their leagues indefinitely, though they will be staying open. They are expecting the GOABA to be following suit.
Meanwhile, everything is still on for the Sacramento USBC, including leagues and city-wide tournaments.
So my question is.. I have a fire pit. Where the hell is the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man? Or did Daryl get him?
BL.
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Maplewood Lanes back home in Omaha just postponed all of their leagues indefinitely, though they will be staying open. They are expecting the GOABA to be following suit.
Meanwhile, everything is still on for the Sacramento USBC, including leagues and city-wide tournaments.
So my question is.. I have a fire pit. Where the hell is the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man? Or did Daryl get him?
BL.
Dude, your Netflix is starting to run together, lol.
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State of ohio has closed all bowling centers
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RUN THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING
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Oops sorry it's snowing.
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State of ohio has closed all bowling centers
Same here in Michigan. As with bars, gyms, and the like.
The human toll for those finding themselves unemployed is going to be staggering. No clear message here as to what they’re supposed to do about an income.
You can file for unemployment here if you’re out f work because you feel sick, may be sick, someone in the household is similar. But no direct information what you’re can do if you employer was just forced to close. Some news reports say you can file for unemployment, some say you’re not included.
Stay safe out there.
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State of ohio has closed all bowling centers
Same here in Michigan. As with bars, gyms, and the like.
The human toll for those finding themselves unemployed is going to be staggering. No clear message here as to what they’re supposed to do about an income.
You can file for unemployment here if you’re out f work because you feel sick, may be sick, someone in the household is similar. But no direct information what you’re can do if you employer was just forced to close. Some news reports say you can file for unemployment, some say you’re not included.
Stay safe out there.
A few friend of mine are reporting they will get 60% of their pay up to 24 hours. This is in cook county Illinois.
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I work as a contractor at a community college in the data center and I was just told that I don't have a job for the next month. Applying to jobs now.
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State of ohio has closed all bowling centers
Same here in Michigan. As with bars, gyms, and the like.
The human toll for those finding themselves unemployed is going to be staggering. No clear message here as to what they’re supposed to do about an income.
You can file for unemployment here if you’re out f work because you feel sick, may be sick, someone in the household is similar. But no direct information what you’re can do if you employer was just forced to close. Some news reports say you can file for unemployment, some say you’re not included.
Stay safe out there.
A few friend of mine are reporting they will get 60% of their pay up to 24 hours. This is in cook county Illinois.
Hopefully between that and what the feds are looking to do, it will let folks stay current on bills and be able to afford the daily necessities.
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The state of Wisconsin has passed that no more than 50 people can be in one place together. Bowling is cancelled for at least one week. Many restaurants in the town are offering the "we'll bring the food to your car" service. I'm an Elks member and our lodge is closed for at least two weeks and the Wisconsin State Elks Convention in May is cancelled.
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Hope everyone can stay healthy in the coming months we all will bowl again some day. Hopefully we won't lose many bowling alleys due to the Coronavirus fallout as well as the many other businesses associated with the bowling industry. Hope everyone will be back to bowling by the fall if not sooner.
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EA Dublin bowl postpones all leagues, but doesn't close.
Hello Everyone:
We have been keeping up to date on all the news related to COVID-19 as many of you have. With the most recent CDC advisories & that Alameda County will soon impose a 100 person limit on gatherings; Earl Anthony’s Dublin Bowl has made the decision to postpone all leagues for the next two weeks.
Further decisions will be based on the best available information at that time.
With the close proximity of teammates in league bowling, we felt that “Social Distancing†would be impossible to achieve.
At this time, the bowl will remain open for open bowling with open bowlers spread out throughout the center.
Through these types of emails, we’ll do our best to keep you informed of our status.
EADB
EA Dublin bowl updates to say they will be closed until April 7th.
Seeing that all 6 Bay-area counties yesterday got slapped with shelter-in-place, nothing from San Jose up to Vallejo is going to be open...
I work as a contractor at a community college in the data center and I was just told that I don't have a job for the next month. Applying to jobs now.
If you're meaning to file for unemployment, I would definitely do that. Depending on the state, they are waiving the 2-week period for without having a job to receive payments. That may not be your full salary, but would hold you over for the month.
If looking for a new job, that's going to be tough because most IT companies are on hiring freezes. They may not get back to you for at least a month, so if you're guaranteed the job back at that data center, I'd take the unemployment, rest the month, then get that back. If they don't, then you'd at least have something steady coming in until the other companies start hiring again.
BL.
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Pacific Ave Bowl and West Lane Bowl, Stockton CA are now closed for at least two weeks.
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Oh, unemployment was already filed when I typed that. I have 4 kids and 2 fosters. I have to have a contingency plan always.
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Instead of forcing the closing of all businesses, I wish the scatter brained politicians would somehow get on the back of Big Pharma to force them to put 90% of the their research into finding a freaking anti-virus to fight this plague. I mean normally it takes a year plus to find a new cure for such as this, but this disease has been out there for more than a year already and,
Is anyone closer to finding a cure, an immunization, an anti-virus yet???
I guess not.
Heck, we all know 99% of politicians have to be seen to so something even if it actually addresses ZERO issues. It's essential to their re-election, but if their true objective was to serve the people, wouldn't they be doing something meaningful?????
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COVID-19 Vaccine testing started human trials yesterday. If successful, an approved vaccine will be in production within the next 18 months.
In the meantime, they are doing the only thing they can...attempting to reduce the spread by limiting public activities. Had they not been so drastic with their response, who knows how many more infected people and deaths there would be in the United States?
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Instead of forcing the closing of all businesses, I wish the scatter brained politicians would somehow get on the back of Big Pharma to force them to put 90% of the their research into finding a freaking anti-virus to fight this plague. I mean normally it takes a year plus to find a new cure for such as this, but this disease has been out there for more than a year already and,
Is anyone closer to finding a cure, an immunization, an anti-virus yet???
I guess not.
Heck, we all know 99% of politicians have to be seen to so something even if it actually addresses ZERO issues. It's essential to their re-election, but if their true objective was to serve the people, wouldn't they be doing something meaningful?????
I don’t think this has been out there a year yet. Probably not even 6 months yet. Hard to know because of the disinformation China was doing with this. The are moving at lightning speed with the vaccine testing. Two months and they’ve started human trials. May seem slow, but everything out there, it’s crazy fast.
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iowa pulled the plug today.
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Why am I writing this on a bowling forum.
Due to the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA), pharmaceuticals are exempt for injury caused by vaccines. You can't sue them.
Vaccines are not considered drugs, they are "biologics," and thus do not have to go through the same testing standards as drugs. They are not tested for long term effects, not against true inert placebo.
It was after this act that vaccine makers greatly expanded the schedule, they created a product, don't' test it, and then get gov't to force to have your child injected with it.
There is no good system to report vaccine injuries.
I could go on, but as a healthy, 43 year old who knows a bit about health, I'll take my chance with getting the coronavirus over some experimental, untested, vaccine concoction. All vaccines are mixes of heavy metals, DNA, and other chemicals besides that antigen. Not safe. Do not be misled by fear.
If this country had any sanity, there would be a crisis over half of all children having a chronic disease (up from 12% in the 1980s) and a growing autism epidemic that is going to bankrupt this country.
Bowling is much, much more important than corona virus and if this gets in the way of my summer sport shot leagues and tournaments I'll be very angry.
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Still had out league last night, but many others centers in the area have closed. Our league is small, so we're under the occupancy limit. The restaurant was still open, but had the tables roped off. You could order food and they'd bring it to you.
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Still had out league last night, but many others centers in the area have closed. Our league is small, so we're under the occupancy limit. The restaurant was still open, but had the tables roped off. You could order food and they'd bring it to you.
Restaurants in our area are take-out or delivery only, no dine-in. Not quite sure there is any difference between dine-in and delivering food to a lane...it is still dining in with a group. The intent of the initiative is ultimately to make sure people still have access to prepared foods, but eat them in their "shelter" away from others that may be infected. Although the person preparing and/or packing the food may have the virus, so there is that aspect of it too. It's all so goofy LOL
My bowling center is closed until April 1st. I was kind of thinking they would stay open for leagues only and allow smaller leagues less than 50 people to bowl [my league is only 24 people]. However, they elected to shut the whole place down. At least it is only 2 weeks being missed (so far).
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I'm not downplaying the coronavirus, but how is this getting any more real than H1N1 was? 60.8 million Americans were infected with H1N1 and 12,469 deaths were reported. When it was finally declared a national emergency 1000 had already died. I don't remember closures and the panic instilled by the media over that. That was a damn serious thing as over 500,000 died worldwide!!
Look who was POTUS then and look now..... Obama was untouchable according to the media ... and they have had the knives out for Trump since 2016.
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Bowlero cancelled everything for two weeks in south Florida as well as all the beaches shutting down. Almost like Nevada except they are still allowing the “Native American†casino operators to stay open and not only rob the citizens but to further spread this terrible disease. Their gaming license should be revoked. Stay safe everyone!
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This started in Wisconsin yesterday at 5PM. All restaurants and bars must close. Restaurants can only do delivery or curbside pick-up. A public place may have no more than 10 people in it at one time, some places such as healthcare and grocery stores may have more than 10 people. This will last for at least two weeks. Monday Night Bowling League sounds like it will cancel the rest of the season, we had only two weeks left.
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We just had a confirmed case at the college I was working at, two buildings over and it's the building the library is in. As soon as the school found out, immediate lockdown. Like, GTFO now.
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Same here. Since people couldn't go out to eat and hitting the bars, people started going to Clearwater Beach as a reason to leave the house and now that is being shut down effective Monday because the amount of people got to be too much. There were so many people you could barely walk.
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Dallas, Tx has now gone into “shelter in place.
Don’t think it will be long before it is statewide.
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Dallas, Tx has now gone into “shelter in place.
Don’t think it will be long before it is statewide.
Chicago did yesterday. Also, Canada just pulled out of the Olympics. I’d think more countries follow suit since IOC continues to drag their feet.
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Ohio announced the shelter in place starting at midnight tonight for at least 2 weeks.
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Michigan is going to announce shelter in place/ stay at home at either 11am or 11:30am today.
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Philadelphia started shelter-in-place at 8am this morning for an indefinite period of time.
The Pennsylvania Governor is seriously contemplating the same order for the entire state as well. My county here in PA is supposed to end a previous shelter in place order this Friday. I am starting to doubt it will actually happen.
Meanwhile, President Trump is starting to question the efficacy of the shelter in place orders compared to the overall impact on the nation's economy. Word is he wants to finish out his "15-days to slow the spread" initiative and go back to business as usual and just encourage everyone to remain vigilant with hand washing and surface cleansing. Seems reasonable at this point.
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Michigan is going to announce shelter in place/ stay at home at either 11am or 11:30am today.
Just confirmed a half hr, or so wow, this is surreal to say the least.
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Michigan is going to announce shelter in place/ stay at home at either 11am or 11:30am today.
Just confirmed a half hr, or so wow, this is surreal to say the least.
Welcome to the club!
We were "recommended" to shelter in place in Sacramento County 2 days after the bay area imposed it. Last week, California was shelter-in-place statewide. It's gonna feel eerie for a while.
think about it this way: As you already heard about Nevada being shelter-in-place, Gov. Sisolak here now has ordered the LEOs to enforce all non-essential businesses to close. And on top of that, an air traffic controller at McCarran International in Vegas tested positive for it. The entire tower is shut down, and flights are limited to 6-8 in and out every hour.
when was the last time you saw Las Vegas looking like a ghost town?
BL.
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IOC just announced the Summer Olympics have been at least postponed.
I'm guessing at this time, there won't be a USBC Open in 2020.
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UK now on extreme lockdown too.
Stay safe everyone and let’s all make it through to when we can all get out on the lanes together. Whenever that may be.
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IOC just announced the Summer Olympics have been at least postponed.
I'm guessing at this time, there won't be a USBC Open in 2020.
Funny when I said this a few weeks a certain ropedick that frequents this site thought I was wrong. Yet, here we are. EVERYONE is wrong and he and his flawed “numbers†are right.
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IOC just announced the Summer Olympics have been at least postponed.
I'm guessing at this time, there won't be a USBC Open in 2020.
Funny when I said this a few weeks a certain ropedick that frequents this site thought I was wrong. Yet, here we are. EVERYONE is wrong and he and his flawed “numbers†are right.
I thought the entire thing was over-hyped myself just a couple or three weeks ago. I can see now that I was completely wrong about it.
And I do work in the health care industry. Not as a medical person, but in the operations side of the business. Our company has 22 hospital campuses across the state of California and as of right now, I have just over 1500 employees working from home.
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IOC just announced the Summer Olympics have been at least postponed.
I'm guessing at this time, there won't be a USBC Open in 2020.
Funny when I said this a few weeks a certain ropedick that frequents this site thought I was wrong. Yet, here we are. EVERYONE is wrong and he and his flawed “numbers†are right.
I thought the entire thing was over-hyped myself just a couple or three weeks ago. I can see now that I was completely wrong about it.
And I do work in the health care industry. Not as a medical person, but in the operations side of the business. Our company has 22 hospital campuses across the state of California and as of right now, I have just over 1500 employees working from home.
Not really referring to you per se. He knows who he is. I had some friends that poo poo’d this as a hoax or overreacting etc. those same people are now jobless and can’t even get a gig delivering pizzas because that job is in such high demand. Hard times out here.
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IOC just announced the Summer Olympics have been at least postponed.
I'm guessing at this time, there won't be a USBC Open in 2020.
Funny when I said this a few weeks a certain ropedick that frequents this site thought I was wrong. Yet, here we are. EVERYONE is wrong and he and his flawed “numbers†are right.
I thought the entire thing was over-hyped myself just a couple or three weeks ago. I can see now that I was completely wrong about it.
And I do work in the health care industry. Not as a medical person, but in the operations side of the business. Our company has 22 hospital campuses across the state of California and as of right now, I have just over 1500 employees working from home.
Not really referring to you per se. He knows who he is. I had some friends that poo poo’d this as a hoax or overreacting etc. those same people are now jobless and can’t even get a gig delivering pizzas because that job is in such high demand. Hard times out here.
Yea, I know who you are referring to and I agree, they were being a bit nearsighted. Even when the real proof started coming in daily.
For full disclosure though, I have no ideal what his dick is made of. ;D
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IOC just announced the Summer Olympics have been at least postponed.
I'm guessing at this time, there won't be a USBC Open in 2020.
Canada and Australia have parted ways with the Olympics this summer of 2020. I'm guessing more will follow suit. Sure won't be the Olympics that people are used to if it even survives.
Countries will force their hand and they’ll have no choice but to cancel.
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IOC just announced the Summer Olympics have been at least postponed.
I'm guessing at this time, there won't be a USBC Open in 2020.
Funny when I said this a few weeks a certain ropedick that frequents this site thought I was wrong. Yet, here we are. EVERYONE is wrong and he and his flawed “numbers†are right.
I said it was the trendy thing to do so USBC Open should be safe. I used the Joe Rogan show expert numbers and it appears he over shot it. Shocker. Sorry your expert was wrong
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Michigan is going to announce shelter in place/ stay at home at either 11am or 11:30am today.
Just confirmed a half hr, or so wow, this is surreal to say the least.
Welcome to the club!
We were "recommended" to shelter in place in Sacramento County 2 days after the bay area imposed it. Last week, California was shelter-in-place statewide. It's gonna feel eerie for a while.
think about it this way: As you already heard about Nevada being shelter-in-place, Gov. Sisolak here now has ordered the LEOs to enforce all non-essential businesses to close. And on top of that, an air traffic controller at McCarran International in Vegas tested positive for it. The entire tower is shut down, and flights are limited to 6-8 in and out every hour.
when was the last time you saw Las Vegas looking like a ghost town?
BL.
That’s terrible man; Be safe, and my best wishes to you; And yes, I could never imagine Vegas ever being a naked ghost time, ever.
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I work in healthcare in direct patient care. I, and everyone here including the doctors I have talked to all thought this was blown out of proportion until recently. We were all wrong. Sure, a vast majority of people will have no lasting effects, but the fact of the matter is that we don’t have the capacity to handle how severe this could be. And with the risk of permanent lung damage, it is nothing to joke about. I’m not worried about myself catching it, but those I care about that are immunocompromised I am very worried about, and I honestly hope they shit down the entire US and only let the necessary people out until this all blows over.
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Yeah, shut down the economy.
Throw millions of people out of work.
Put businesses out of business - the longer this goes on, the fewer will be back.
Collapse the stock mark.
Induce wide spread stress related illness.
Create panic and artificial scarcity
How many people are going to loose their homes? How many homeless is this going to create?
The data we have is junk, full of Selection bias .
Coronavirus is a common cold virus known for decades. No one ever tested it before, b/c no one ever cared.
Running PCR tests for a common cold virus and then blaming it for illness, is stupid and causality has not been established.
If we look at numbers of poor in poor health who die of flu and cold related illnesses each years, these is no pandemic.
If no one on China set off a panic, nothing would have even been noticed.
This is mass insanity. and anyone who thinks the whole country is shut down and stock market crashed an millions who live paycheck to paycheck in a dire financial panic - all b/c some people didn't want to run out of ventilators for a few elderly - well if you think that then you are delusional.
The illness and death caused by shutdown will far exceed anything that some coronavirus could possibly cause.
This is media induced hysteria.
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Yeah, shut down the economy.
Throw millions of people out of work.
Put businesses out of business - the longer this goes on, the fewer will be back.
Collapse the stock mark.
Induce wide spread stress related illness.
Create panic and artificial scarcity
How many people are going to loose their homes? How many homeless is this going to create?
The data we have is junk, full of Selection bias .
Coronavirus is a common cold virus known for decades. No one ever tested it before, b/c no one ever cared.
Running PCR tests for a common cold virus and then blaming it for illness, is stupid and causality has not been established.
If we look at numbers of poor in poor health who die of flu and cold related illnesses each years, these is no pandemic.
If no one on China set off a panic, nothing would have even been noticed.
This is mass insanity. and anyone who thinks the whole country is shut down and stock market crashed an millions who live paycheck to paycheck in a dire financial panic - all b/c some people didn't want to run out of ventilators for a few elderly - well if you think that then you are delusional.
The illness and death caused by shutdown will far exceed anything that some coronavirus could possibly cause.
This is media induced hysteria.
Looks like ignite bowling changed his screen name again.
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Just this one. I can't keep up with multiple personalities. I think there's meds for that.
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Yeah, shut down the economy.
Throw millions of people out of work.
Put businesses out of business - the longer this goes on, the fewer will be back.
Collapse the stock mark.
Induce wide spread stress related illness.
Create panic and artificial scarcity
How many people are going to loose their homes? How many homeless is this going to create?
The data we have is junk, full of Selection bias .
Coronavirus is a common cold virus known for decades. No one ever tested it before, b/c no one ever cared.
Running PCR tests for a common cold virus and then blaming it for illness, is stupid and causality has not been established.
If we look at numbers of poor in poor health who die of flu and cold related illnesses each years, these is no pandemic.
If no one on China set off a panic, nothing would have even been noticed.
This is mass insanity. and anyone who thinks the whole country is shut down and stock market crashed an millions who live paycheck to paycheck in a dire financial panic - all b/c some people didn't want to run out of ventilators for a few elderly - well if you think that then you are delusional.
The illness and death caused by shutdown will far exceed anything that some coronavirus could possibly cause.
This is media induced hysteria.
Amazing, all the worlds medical experts need to be introduced to you. With your amazing knowledge on all things medical, how do you have time to inform us lowly boos on a bowling forum site?
Grow up.
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Yeah, shut down the economy.
Throw millions of people out of work.
Put businesses out of business - the longer this goes on, the fewer will be back.
Collapse the stock mark.
Induce wide spread stress related illness.
Create panic and artificial scarcity
How many people are going to loose their homes? How many homeless is this going to create?
The data we have is junk, full of Selection bias .
Coronavirus is a common cold virus known for decades. No one ever tested it before, b/c no one ever cared.
Running PCR tests for a common cold virus and then blaming it for illness, is stupid and causality has not been established.
If we look at numbers of poor in poor health who die of flu and cold related illnesses each years, these is no pandemic.
If no one on China set off a panic, nothing would have even been noticed.
This is mass insanity. and anyone who thinks the whole country is shut down and stock market crashed an millions who live paycheck to paycheck in a dire financial panic - all b/c some people didn't want to run out of ventilators for a few elderly - well if you think that then you are delusional.
The illness and death caused by shutdown will far exceed anything that some coronavirus could possibly cause.
This is media induced hysteria.
I’ve witnessed this type of nonsense before...
https://youtu.be/NzDhm808oU4
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Yeah, shut down the economy.
Throw millions of people out of work.
Put businesses out of business - the longer this goes on, the fewer will be back.
Collapse the stock mark.
Induce wide spread stress related illness.
Create panic and artificial scarcity
How many people are going to loose their homes? How many homeless is this going to create?
The data we have is junk, full of Selection bias .
Coronavirus is a common cold virus known for decades. No one ever tested it before, b/c no one ever cared.
Running PCR tests for a common cold virus and then blaming it for illness, is stupid and causality has not been established.
If we look at numbers of poor in poor health who die of flu and cold related illnesses each years, these is no pandemic.
If no one on China set off a panic, nothing would have even been noticed.
This is mass insanity. and anyone who thinks the whole country is shut down and stock market crashed an millions who live paycheck to paycheck in a dire financial panic - all b/c some people didn't want to run out of ventilators for a few elderly - well if you think that then you are delusional.
The illness and death caused by shutdown will far exceed anything that some coronavirus could possibly cause.
This is media induced hysteria.
I’ve witnessed this type of nonsense before...
https://youtu.be/NzDhm808oU4
You are my hero.
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I second that . Morpheus,you made my day with that video.
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I have to be very careful in what I say as 98% of the bowlers and residents around here are probably in that video, so all I can safely say is this...
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Yeah, shut down the economy.
Throw millions of people out of work.
Put businesses out of business - the longer this goes on, the fewer will be back.
Collapse the stock mark.
Induce wide spread stress related illness.
Create panic and artificial scarcity
How many people are going to loose their homes? How many homeless is this going to create?
The data we have is junk, full of Selection bias .
Coronavirus is a common cold virus known for decades. No one ever tested it before, b/c no one ever cared.
Running PCR tests for a common cold virus and then blaming it for illness, is stupid and causality has not been established.
If we look at numbers of poor in poor health who die of flu and cold related illnesses each years, these is no pandemic.
If no one on China set off a panic, nothing would have even been noticed.
This is mass insanity. and anyone who thinks the whole country is shut down and stock market crashed an millions who live paycheck to paycheck in a dire financial panic - all b/c some people didn't want to run out of ventilators for a few elderly - well if you think that then you are delusional.
The illness and death caused by shutdown will far exceed anything that some coronavirus could possibly cause.
This is media induced hysteria.
The elderly have less of a right to the rest of their life. Got it.
I agree there is media induced hysteria. That’s how the media makes money from a bad situation.
The corona virus has been around for decades... eh there is some truth to that, but it is false in the way you believe this. The corona virus is a type of virus. Covid-19 is a particular strain that was ever created or evolved which is more infectious and deadly than others in the past.
The stock market will not collapse. It will rebound, but it may take a couple years. In fact, historically it has boomed when it comes back.
If the government can get their shit together (I know, I’m laughing too) on this support bill, money may be tight for a while, but everyone will make it through.
As for the rest of your argument that is not backed up by the correct facts... my thumbs are getting tired from refuting your claims. It is not just some common cold. Yeah the flu is severe. I’ll give you that. But neither of them cause permanent lung damage in 20 year old people with healthy lungs.
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On a bowling related note, this is a good time to switch my arsenal over! #coronamotivated
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They finally cancelled the balance of the Mixed Tournament and all of the Youth, Women’s and the Open Tournament in South Dakota. Our teams were scheduled to bowl last weekend and we decided we would not bowl but they went ahead and held it for teams that wanted to bowl.
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If you think this is all just media hysteria, read this first hand account.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/03/26/coronavirus-scares-me-severe-unpredictable-no-cure-icu-doctor-column/5078810002/
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If you think this is all just media hysteria, read this first hand account.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/03/26/coronavirus-scares-me-severe-unpredictable-no-cure-icu-doctor-column/5078810002/
I’m channeling my inner ignite bowling, ahem:
“ThAtS jUsT mEdIA MaSS hYsTeRiA aNd FeAr MoNGeRInG, lOOk aT ThIS dORky cHaRt sUpPorTiNG mY ClAimSâ€.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
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I’m really hoping for some natural selection to thin the herd of morons that follow Trump or Fox News...so fire up those Trump rallies, fill the churches on Easter baby and show everyone this Coronavirus is just a liberal hoax!
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I’m really hoping for some natural selection to thin the herd of morons that follow Trump or Fox News...so fire up those Trump rallies, fill the churches on Easter baby and show everyone this Coronavirus is just a liberal hoax!
You’re my kind of man.
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I follow the data
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_gMT4_PDJI&fbclid=IwAR2kWEU2_5KOIFdxN4odjjE28WyWQy4gHjBtjNOXudNVJgaRXhYjyNVrpZY
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Yes, but just as crazy as them are those following the democrats . . all of politics is outer limits right now, and if you're crazy for following Trump or watching Fox News, you're just as crazy for following Bernie or watching CNN . . it's not just one group, it's everyone right now.
I’m really hoping for some natural selection to thin the herd of morons that follow Trump or Fox News...so fire up those Trump rallies, fill the churches on Easter baby and show everyone this Coronavirus is just a liberal hoax!
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I follow the data
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_gMT4_PDJI&fbclid=IwAR2kWEU2_5KOIFdxN4odjjE28WyWQy4gHjBtjNOXudNVJgaRXhYjyNVrpZY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_gMT4_PDJI&fbclid=IwAR2kWEU2_5KOIFdxN4odjjE28WyWQy4gHjBtjNOXudNVJgaRXhYjyNVrpZY)
Yea, we have already seen your "data" with your rant about vaccines.
Here is some data for you. Not as "amazing" as your youtube source, but data nonetheless: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html)
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Yes, but just as crazy as them are those following the democrats . . all of politics is outer limits right now, and if you're crazy for following Trump or watching Fox News, you're just as crazy for following Bernie or watching CNN . . it's not just one group, it's everyone right now.
I’m really hoping for some natural selection to thin the herd of morons that follow Trump or Fox News...so fire up those Trump rallies, fill the churches on Easter baby and show everyone this Coronavirus is just a liberal hoax!
Exactly true, Fox news has it's polar opposite with MSNBC. Both of them just twist the "facts" to fit the view they are selling.
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Yes, but just as crazy as them are those following the democrats . . all of politics is outer limits right now, and if you're crazy for following Trump or watching Fox News, you're just as crazy for following Bernie or watching CNN . . it's not just one group, it's everyone right now.
I’m really hoping for some natural selection to thin the herd of morons that follow Trump or Fox News...so fire up those Trump rallies, fill the churches on Easter baby and show everyone this Coronavirus is just a liberal hoax!
There’s only one moron and one network trying to end social distancing by Easter...
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There’s only one moron and one network trying to end social distancing by Easter...
Apparently, your life views are as twisted as your USBC bowling views. There is a weird comfort in seeing the consistency. ;)
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There’s only one moron and one network trying to end social distancing by Easter...
Apparently, your life views are as twisted as your USBC bowling views. There is a weird comfort in seeing the consistency. ;)
I encourage you to attend large group gatherings immediately!
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The data is what it is. It's not my data.
A 1% increase in unemployment will increase death rate.
Many more will die from lockout.
Many small business can not survive being shutdown for several months.
Better hope your local bowling alley is still around.
And if they are, that they can survive after half their customers have just been out of work.
All those annoying kids that get in our way when we do our serous practice, well all that income is going to be gone for the houses. No jobs, No economy, No money.
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The data is what it is. It's not my data.
A 1% increase in unemployment will increase death rate.
Many more will die from lockout.
Many small business can not survive being shutdown for several months.
Better hope your local bowling alley is still around.
And if they are, that they can survive after half their customers have just been out of work.
All those annoying kids that get in our way when we do our serous practice, well all that income is going to be gone for the houses. No jobs, No economy, No money.
This is going to be a shock to you, but I think there are more important issues right now than whether or not we have bowling.
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Man, all I know is I'm going to sit at home as long as humanly possible, wait for my stimulus and tax return, build a sweet rig, start a YouTube channel and be a techtuber.
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I encourage you to attend large group gatherings immediately!
I takes a special kind of slim to wish sickness and/or death on anyone. What's sad is that based on your past behavior, I'm not surprised. :o There are more appropriate places besides a bowling forum to pander your specific views.
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I encourage you to attend large group gatherings immediately!
I takes a special kind of slim to wish sickness and/or death on anyone. What's sad is that based on your past behavior, I'm not surprised. :o There are more appropriate places besides a bowling forum to pander your specific views.
We took the lead in Coronavirus cases even with the ridiculously low testing rates in the US and Trump wants to send everyone back to work in a couple of weeks...hope you have some harsh words for him too
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I encourage you to attend large group gatherings immediately!
I takes a special kind of slim to wish sickness and/or death on anyone. What's sad is that based on your past behavior, I'm not surprised. :o There are more appropriate places besides a bowling forum to pander your specific views.
We took the lead in Coronavirus cases even with the ridiculously low testing rates in the US and Trump wants to send everyone back to work in a couple of weeks...hope you have some harsh words for him too
He never said “everyone†back to work.
The hope is to let parts of the country less affected by the virus start to go back to work if it makes sense. It’s not a definitive.
There are probably more people in New York City and the surrounding areas than all of North and South Dakota.
Does it make sense to keep N &S Dakota closed if they aren’t experiencing a rise in cases by Easter.
And he’s not the one who’s closing all of this stuff. Most of closures are being done on a state level. As it should be. Let the governors decide what’s best for their states. Again, California and New York are different than the Dakotas.
On a slightly different note...
How long exactly do you think the economy can handle having huge swaths shutdown indefinitely? 2 months? 6 months?
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If you think this is all just media hysteria, read this first hand account.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/03/26/coronavirus-scares-me-severe-unpredictable-no-cure-icu-doctor-column/5078810002/
I’m channeling my inner ignite bowling, ahem:
“ThAtS jUsT mEdIA MaSS hYsTeRiA aNd FeAr MoNGeRInG, lOOk aT ThIS dORky cHaRt sUpPorTiNG mY ClAimSâ€.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
CDC chart just posted seems good to me. Is it not acceptable either?
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We have great depression era unemployment now.
how tens of millions of people are going to pay their rent and afford food, no one knows.
For most businesses, you have expenses just for existing (rent, phone, marketing, employees, insurance, etc...)
For many small businesses, 1 to 3 months of being forced closed can be enough.
If anyone is planning on using gov't stimulus money on bowling balls, you clearly are not a small business person, or living paycheck to paycheck. Many Americans can not afford a $400 emergency.
Unemployment and poverty lead to sickness and death is so many ways. This lockdown will surly kill more than it saves.
The CDC just released a report that now 1 in 54 children are autisic, no national emergency on what is causing that.
How long can the economy sustain this - I don't know. Your guess is as good as mine before the riots start.
Are people supposed to stay at home until they are evicted and then shelter with stupid masks and gloves in gov't run shanty towns for the economically destroyed.
Just be happy if your bowling alley doesn't go under over this.
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We have great depression era unemployment now.
how tens of millions of people are going to pay their rent and afford food, no one knows.
For most businesses, you have expenses just for existing (rent, phone, marketing, employees, insurance, etc...)
For many small businesses, 1 to 3 months of being forced closed can be enough.
If anyone is planning on using gov't stimulus money on bowling balls, you clearly are not a small business person, or living paycheck to paycheck. Many Americans can not afford a $400 emergency.
Unemployment and poverty lead to sickness and death is so many ways. This lockdown will surly kill more than it saves.
The CDC just released a report that now 1 in 54 children are autisic, no national emergency on what is causing that.
How long can the economy sustain this - I don't know. Your guess is as good as mine before the riots start.
Are people supposed to stay at home until they are evicted and then shelter with stupid masks and gloves in gov't run shanty towns for the economically destroyed.
Just be happy if your bowling alley doesn't go under over this.
You are just copy and pasting the same bullshit over and over.
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"bullshit"
So you just think it's just back to normal?
You don't think the struggling bowling industry will just be the same. For years reading about all the houses closing. But hey, having customers with jobs (or no jobs) doesn't matter.
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"bullshit"
So you just think it's just back to normal?
You don't think the struggling bowling industry will just be the same. For years reading about all the houses closing. But hey, having customers with jobs (or no jobs) doesn't matter.
You mean as opposed to people being dead?
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People keep contrasting the victims of coronavirus to people suffering from heart disease or autism. Afflictions such as that are not contagious. People having those conditions can be out and about and not pass them on to others.
Coronavirus is highly contagious. You can get it from simply touching a door handle, or gas pump, or shopping cart, or from particulates in the air from the person walking in front of you who just sneezed. Then you take it home and unknowingly pass it to your family, who then unknowingly go out and pass it along to their friends who then pass it to their family and so on.
Influenza is comparable, however there is an annual vaccine for that that less than 50% of the public gets. If more people would get a flu shot, there would be fewer deaths from the flu.
Until a vaccine is developed for this COVID-19 virus, we all have to be responsible. True, we cannot lock ourselves away forever, but hopefully the new way of doing things (social distancing, staying home when feeling sick, ultra frequent surface cleansing and hand washing, etc.) will stay with everyone moving forward and become a regular thing and not just a fad. Then, when the vaccine is available, people will actually go get it and not brush it off like the flu shot.
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People keep contrasting the victims of coronavirus to people suffering from heart disease or autism. Afflictions such as that are not contagious. People having those conditions can be out and about and not pass them on to others.
Coronavirus is highly contagious. You can get it from simply touching a door handle, or gas pump, or shopping cart, or from particulates in the air from the person walking in front of you who just sneezed. Then you take it home and unknowingly pass it to your family, who then unknowingly go out and pass it along to their friends who then pass it to their family and so on.
Influenza is comparable, however there is an annual vaccine for that that less than 50% of the public gets. If more people would get a flu shot, there would be fewer deaths from the flu.
Until a vaccine is developed for this COVID-19 virus, we all have to be responsible. True, we cannot lock ourselves away forever, but hopefully the new way of doing things (social distancing, staying home when feeling sick, ultra frequent surface cleansing and hand washing, etc.) will stay with everyone moving forward and become a regular thing and not just a fad. Then, when the vaccine is available, people will actually go get it and not brush it off like the flu shot.
+1
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The unmitigated ignorance of some people is just astounding. To actually shout down scientific data, using non supported "facts" and hearsay is just one of the dumbest things I've ever seen people do, and yet they do it all the time.
Anti vaxxers, flat earthers, planets X'rs, ……….
And now, here comes the "Don't believe the Corona virus is real" crowd.
Do they REALLY think that this is a WORLDWIDE conspiracy, cooked up and held to by political powers that can't even agree on the question of "Is water wet?", yet they can conspire together to take control of the entire world for their nefarious gains, only to exploit those who are not a "member of the club"? OMFG! REALLY?
Maybe, just maybe, if this virus thing is a hoax, we could get them to volunteer for those "non-existent" clinical tests we'll be needing to do. I mean, if all it is is a sugar pill placebo, what could it hurt, right?
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No no no, would you like to know what this is?
Follow along with me now. This was a #showerthought and is usually how I think when alone for more than 5 minutes lol.
The planet is sick. Global warming is basically the planet having a fever. What is the human bodies reaction to an infection? Fever. Then the antibodies race in and try to fight the infection.
Our way of life is the cause of the infection. Look at how much pollution has decreased in just 2 weeks. This is the planets way of fixing itself.
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No no no, would you like to know what this is?
Follow along with me now. This was a #showerthought and is usually how I think when alone for more than 5 minutes lol.
The planet is sick. Global warming is basically the planet having a fever. What is the human bodies reaction to an infection? Fever. Then the antibodies race in and try to fight the infection.
Our way of life is the cause of the infection. Look at how much pollution has decreased in just 2 weeks. This is the planets way of fixing itself.
Now you're going all Matrix on me.
Thank you, Mr. Anderson.
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Now we know who the chosen one really is. Too bad Global didn’t figure that out a few months ago.
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No no no, would you like to know what this is?
Follow along with me now. This was a #showerthought and is usually how I think when alone for more than 5 minutes lol.
The planet is sick. Global warming is basically the planet having a fever. What is the human bodies reaction to an infection? Fever. Then the antibodies race in and try to fight the infection.
Our way of life is the cause of the infection. Look at how much pollution has decreased in just 2 weeks. This is the planets way of fixing itself.
Now you're going all Matrix on me.
Thank you, Mr. Anderson.
Think about it. The planet is 4.5 billion years old. This industrial age in which we've attempted to tear the Earth apart has been 200 years at best. If we go back to how many hardcore plagues have been recorded, there's been one every 100 years for 500 years. Basically, something like this is the equivalent of a nurse coming in every 4 hours and saying "Time for your next dose of medicine!"
Tell me I'm wrong. Because I'm not.
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No no no, would you like to know what this is?
Follow along with me now. This was a #showerthought and is usually how I think when alone for more than 5 minutes lol.
The planet is sick. Global warming is basically the planet having a fever. What is the human bodies reaction to an infection? Fever. Then the antibodies race in and try to fight the infection.
Our way of life is the cause of the infection. Look at how much pollution has decreased in just 2 weeks. This is the planets way of fixing itself.
This is profound. Samuel L Jackson would say kinda stuff.
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There have been major changes in sanitation and hygiene over the past 200 years. Which is a reason we have no been worried about the plague (until now).
Last one, was post WW1. I guess nothing just happened that could have weakened people to be more susceptible. Total mystery. It just happened.
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No no no, would you like to know what this is?
Follow along with me now. This was a #showerthought and is usually how I think when alone for more than 5 minutes lol.
The planet is sick. Global warming is basically the planet having a fever. What is the human bodies reaction to an infection? Fever. Then the antibodies race in and try to fight the infection.
Our way of life is the cause of the infection. Look at how much pollution has decreased in just 2 weeks. This is the planets way of fixing itself.
#AVALANCHE
#CosmoCanyon
#Thereaintnogettinoffathistrainweon
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I live in northern WI and many counties in our area have had no reported cases. Our area and northern MN areas have large amounts of seasonal residents. Right now both are asking that people do not come from IL and metro areas in WI and MN. WI counties have gone as far as putting out warnings telling seasonal folks to not come, but if they do, don't stop and shop. Bring enough food for 14 days because they are to self-quarantine at their vacation homes. They are still coming for just the weekend and stopping at grocery stores/meat markets and gas stations. There are no bars or restaurants open. I would like to know if you guys think there is nothing wrong with them coming up? Many say this is anti-tourism. Any thoughts?
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The media is creating fear and paranoia.
This will have very bad consequences for people's emotional states. Blaming other groups or people for spreading disease.
I'm sure this will continue past any gov't announcement to get back to work.
Don't be surprised if see violence over it.
Since actual death rats are still way within what we normally see from such illnesses and nothing would have been noticed if not told to be worried a virus (coronavirus is always around, it a common cold virus), that makes this all the more crazy.
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The media is creating fear and paranoia.
This will have very bad consequences for people's emotional states. Blaming other groups or people for spreading disease.
I'm sure this will continue past any gov't announcement to get back to work.
Don't be surprised if see violence over it.
Since actual death rats are still way within what we normally see from such illnesses and nothing would have been noticed if not told to be worried a virus (coronavirus is always around, it a common cold virus), that makes this all the more crazy.
You need serious medical attention for your mental illness.
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The media is creating fear and paranoia.
This will have very bad consequences for people's emotional states. Blaming other groups or people for spreading disease.
I'm sure this will continue past any gov't announcement to get back to work.
Don't be surprised if see violence over it.
Since actual death rats are still way within what we normally see from such illnesses and nothing would have been noticed if not told to be worried a virus (coronavirus is always around, it a common cold virus), that makes this all the more crazy.
You need serious medical attention for your mental illness.
He needs to put the crack pipe down and take off the tin foil hat
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This about sums it up. Trump reportedly called former Yankees player Alex Rodriguez to ask for his thoughts on handling the coronavirus outbreak
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I live in northern WI and many counties in our area have had no reported cases. Our area and northern MN areas have large amounts of seasonal residents. Right now both are asking that people do not come from IL and metro areas in WI and MN. WI counties have gone as far as putting out warnings telling seasonal folks to not come, but if they do, don't stop and shop. Bring enough food for 14 days because they are to self-quarantine at their vacation homes. They are still coming for just the weekend and stopping at grocery stores/meat markets and gas stations. There are no bars or restaurants open. I would like to know if you guys think there is nothing wrong with them coming up? Many say this is anti-tourism. Any thoughts?
As of this morning, MN had 441 confirmed cases of the virus with 5 deaths, while WI was at 900 with 16 deaths. I wouldn't worry about MN people coming into WI. If anything, MN should be worried about WI visitors.
Anti-tourism? That's a new one.
Can't people in general just stay put for several weeks like they are being asked, until the number of cases start to level off and drop? I am starting week 3 of shelter in place and have only left the house twice to get groceries and come right back home. We are starting to hear that it may be extended for 6 more weeks. It sucks, yes, but it is necessary.
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Even though my Bolero center is closed until further notice(we were officially notified that it would be two weeks--haven't received anything further from the center or league since) I imagine this is the theme
Brad
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Even though my Bolero center is closed until further notice(we were officially notified that it would be two weeks--haven't received anything further from the center or league since) I imagine this is the theme
Brad
I'd buy that.
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actually you can buy that...for $18.99
https://teechip.com/coronavirus-ruined-my-bowling-season-t-shirt
Brad
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Bowler19525,
You are right we should just be able to just stay in place and keep this from getting worse. You are also right WI has more cases than MN but they do very little seasonal things in MN. You missed my point a little as our area in Northern Wi has not had any reported cases. We also don't want any seasonals from metro areas in WI either. We just want to control the spread as much as we can it it only seems common sense.
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Bowler19525,
You are right we should just be able to just stay in place and keep this from getting worse. You are also right WI has more cases than MN but they do very little seasonal things in MN. You missed my point a little as our area in Northern Wi has not had any reported cases. We also don't want any seasonals from metro areas in WI either. We just want to control the spread as much as we can it it only seems common sense.
The seasonal people need to wait and start their seasonal activities when it is safer to do so. The problem is people aren't taking the issue seriously.
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Any word on if the USBC is going to refund part of our dues because of our inability to bowl for part of the year?
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Any word on if the USBC is going to refund part of our dues because of our inability to bowl for part of the year?
Can't see them doing that, and don't blame them for not doing that.
Trump's latest presser basically says centers will be closed through April. Sure hope the local ones can survive this
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Any word on if the USBC is going to refund part of our dues because of our inability to bowl for part of the year?
Can't see them doing that, and don't blame them for not doing that.
Trump's latest presser basically says centers will be closed through April. Sure hope the local ones can survive this
There will be some centers that simply won’t be able to weather this storm. This is going to be a death blow to bowling in my opinion.
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Any word on if the USBC is going to refund part of our dues because of our inability to bowl for part of the year?
Can't see them doing that, and don't blame them for not doing that.
Trump's latest presser basically says centers will be closed through April. Sure hope the local ones can survive this
There will be some centers that simply won’t be able to weather this storm. This is going to be a death blow to bowling in my opinion.
Agreed. Unless there's a huge bailout available to smaller businesses. Bowling, restaurants, salons/barbers etc. will need a lot of help to keep from going under.
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Any word on if the USBC is going to refund part of our dues because of our inability to bowl for part of the year?
Can't see them doing that, and don't blame them for not doing that.
Trump's latest presser basically says centers will be closed through April. Sure hope the local ones can survive this
There will be some centers that simply won’t be able to weather this storm. This is going to be a death blow to bowling in my opinion.
Agreed. Unless there's a huge bailout available to smaller businesses. Bowling, restaurants, salons/barbers etc. will need a lot of help to keep from going under.
I think this will be a pivotal week for businesses as to who survives and who doesn’t. $1200, if you qualify is nice, but it barely moves the needle, if at all, for most families.
My biggest fear of CV-19 was the economic carnage it would cause.
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Any word on if the USBC is going to refund part of our dues because of our inability to bowl for part of the year?
Can't see them doing that, and don't blame them for not doing that.
Trump's latest presser basically says centers will be closed through April. Sure hope the local ones can survive this
There will be some centers that simply won’t be able to weather this storm. This is going to be a death blow to bowling in my opinion.
Agreed. Unless there's a huge bailout available to smaller businesses. Bowling, restaurants, salons/barbers etc. will need a lot of help to keep from going under.
They already passed one I thought.
If the monies are used to pay employed bills, it will be considered a grant and won’t have to be repaid.
Only way I see a ton of these business making it.
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They’re not in a financial position to do that would be my guess. They might offer discounted membership when things resume because that’s cheaper and also entices people to bowl.
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Any word on if the USBC is going to refund part of our dues because of our inability to bowl for part of the year?
Can't see them doing that, and don't blame them for not doing that.
Trump's latest presser basically says centers will be closed through April. Sure hope the local ones can survive this
There will be some centers that simply won’t be able to weather this storm. This is going to be a death blow to bowling in my opinion.
Agreed. Unless there's a huge bailout available to smaller businesses. Bowling, restaurants, salons/barbers etc. will need a lot of help to keep from going under.
I think this will be a pivotal week for businesses as to who survives and who doesn’t. $1200, if you qualify is nice, but it barely moves the needle, if at all, for most families.
My biggest fear of CV-19 was the economic carnage it would cause.
The money would be enough if things were about to open back up in another week or two. That's not likely. Sooo many businesses from day to day types to seasonal tourism are going to be crushed. Most people are a few missed checks away from financial disaster. This is going to be that disaster for many. Obviously ones physical well being is a concern. It's the unknowns to the prolonged closures that are going to affect so many for a long time after the virus subsides.
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My league has 3 12 week portions to the season. W just had a position round to finish the 2nd 3rd of the season before my league/center shut down. I hope we get contacted in some form or another about prize fund payouts since I don't forsee us finishing out the season. Won't be big money for my team, but i still would like it.
Brad
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My league has 3 12 week portions to the season. W just had a position round to finish the 2nd 3rd of the season before my league/center shut down. I hope we get contacted in some form or another about prize fund payouts since I don't forsee us finishing out the season. Won't be big money for my team, but i still would like it.
Brad
Yeah, payouts seem like it will get messy. I know most of my team is paid out through the year. So we at the very least should be getting that money back in addition to any prorated payouts. Tough because I bowl at a family owned center and I l know they could really use the money.
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My league has 3 12 week portions to the season. W just had a position round to finish the 2nd 3rd of the season before my league/center shut down. I hope we get contacted in some form or another about prize fund payouts since I don't forsee us finishing out the season. Won't be big money for my team, but i still would like it.
Brad
Yeah, payouts seem like it will get messy. I know most of my team is paid out through the year. So we at the very least should be getting that money back in addition to any prorated payouts. Tough because I bowl at a family owned center and I l know they could really use the money.
Yeah, the two centers by me are family owned and I have NO idea how they're gonna handle this. They barely did enough business before all this.
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I was totally trolling about the USBC refunding dues. I was hoping for a lot more vivid responses and some laughs lol. There is no way they are going to let money go like that!
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I was totally trolling about the USBC refunding dues. I was hoping for a lot more vivid responses and some laughs lol. There is no way they are going to let money go like that!
You know Chad didn't think it was funny. :o ;D
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Any word on if the USBC is going to refund part of our dues because of our inability to bowl for part of the year?
Good question here, because they have a lot to work out not just internally, but with, say, the NCAA as well.
Not to go into the fanatical "oh, think of the children!" rant, but a lot of kids are on their final year of eligibility for youth and collegiates. they are going to miss out on their chances to bowl for their schools because of this and basically have that year taken away. They need to figure that out, along with any scholarships money that comes along with that.
They could let the adult's dues roll over to the following year or refund, but the kid's funds are a different story.
In short, they have a hell of a lot to work out between the local associations, the NCAA, and others.
On a side note, the only bowler probably getting any practicing done is Kamron Doyle. Anybody wanna go break into his parent's basement? :P
BL.
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To put the "COVID is a hoax", political bollocks to bed, instead of trying to post armchair facts and data and claim that we should be listening to one person and not everyone else, let's rather get that info from someone on the front lines that we can definitely trust.
Everyone seems to forget that Erin McCarthy has a day job, and that is being a nurse at two different hospitals here in Omaha: the University of Nebraska Medical Center (the same one that took in the first COVID patients as well as the first Ebola patients) and Methodist Hospital. She took the time off to talk to Emil Williams and Aaron Smith about it and quite bluntly what everyone needs to be doing as she's putting her life on the line out there with this. If anything, I'd listen to her before anyone on any cable news channel, let alone the POTUS.
As this is at BowlTV, it may require your USBC login to get to the podcast, but the podcast is free.
https://bit.ly/2UAmXxg
BL.
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Amen bradl. Well said.
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To put the "COVID is a hoax", political bollocks to bed, instead of trying to post armchair facts and data and claim that we should be listening to one person and not everyone else, let's rather get that info from someone on the front lines that we can definitely trust.
Everyone seems to forget that Erin McCarthy has a day job, and that is being a nurse at two different hospitals here in Omaha: the University of Nebraska Medical Center (the same one that took in the first COVID patients as well as the first Ebola patients) and Methodist Hospital. She took the time off to talk to Emil Williams and Aaron Smith about it and quite bluntly what everyone needs to be doing as she's putting her life on the line out there with this. If anything, I'd listen to her before anyone on any cable news channel, let alone the POTUS.
As this is at BowlTV, it may require your USBC login to get to the podcast, but the podcast is free.
https://bit.ly/2UAmXxg
BL.
When I heard this weeks ago, it was a conversation I had with someone that knows Erin that said this is/was very serious. But like you said, there were a lot of arm-chair quarterbacks scoffing at it. Yet, here we are.
I saw it early, but in a different way. I underwrite commercial insurance and the amount of businesses trying to increase Business Income coverage WELL before this thing got out was staggering.
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Will business interruption insurance cover losses from the pandemic? The premiums must be astronomical.
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Will business interruption insurance cover losses from the pandemic? The premiums must be astronomical.
Depends on the risk/policy, lost business income typically doesn’t cover pandemics. Just a reminder to read your policy.
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Listen, I'm the biggest tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist you'll ever meet. (Ask me about how I feel about Google Assistant, Siri and Alexa over a beer once this is all over) but this isn't a hoax. Might the media be spinning this out of control? Maybe, but that's nothing new. Might the government be testing how far we'll go, making it easy to justify self quarantining and then being able to justify Marshall Law? Maybe.
But the illness and threat is real. Please don't mistake that.
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You're the biggest tinfoil hat wearing person? Feels like I've been challenged, hold my beer. :-)
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Here is an example of the real danger when we have a lot of shit-for-brains nutjobs spreading their own version of the truth(not mentioning any specific names here).
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/04/01/doj-engineer-derailed-train-usns-mercy-los-angeles-government-takeover/5110021002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/04/01/doj-engineer-derailed-train-usns-mercy-los-angeles-government-takeover/5110021002/)
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I'm about 4 hours from Vegas. Was BSing with my co-workers this morning and they are also my bowling teammates. I say, "If Vegas opened up this weekend would you guys be willing to go on a road trip just to bowl for a few hours for fun? No tournaments, no leagues, just fun." Roll a for a few hours and then drive right back.
We were all in.
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I'm about 4 hours from Vegas. Was BSing with my co-workers this morning and they are also my bowling teammates. I say, "If Vegas opened up this weekend would you guys be willing to go on a road trip just to bowl for a few hours for fun? No tournaments, no leagues, just fun." Roll a for a few hours and then drive right back.
We were all in.
It isn't opening up for a while.
I mean, you know it's bad when Mayor Goodman is allowing alcohol delivery instead of you going out for fun. It's even worse when McCarran closes of their 5 terminals, checkpoints to those terminals, and 2 parking lots, and 2 of their 4 runways.
3 employees at the Costco in Henderson tested positive for it, along with one of the members of the Southern Nevada Health District, and a LEO for the NLVPD. Combined with the already known cases we have, and seeing how that should be small compared to the now 7.5 million people here, it's going around down here much faster than everyone realizes. The hotels jumped the gun badly in starting sales for hotel bookings the day after Sisolak's 30-day shutdown ends, especially as he just called up the Nevada National Guard.
BL.
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I'm about 4 hours from Vegas. Was BSing with my co-workers this morning and they are also my bowling teammates. I say, "If Vegas opened up this weekend would you guys be willing to go on a road trip just to bowl for a few hours for fun? No tournaments, no leagues, just fun." Roll a for a few hours and then drive right back.
We were all in.
It isn't opening up for a while.
I mean, you know it's bad when Mayor Goodman is allowing alcohol delivery instead of you going out for fun. It's even worse when McCarran closes of their 5 terminals, checkpoints to those terminals, and 2 parking lots, and 2 of their 4 runways.
3 employees at the Costco in Henderson tested positive for it, along with one of the members of the Southern Nevada Health District, and a LEO for the NLVPD. Combined with the already known cases we have, and seeing how that should be small compared to the now 7.5 million people here, it's going around down here much faster than everyone realizes. The hotels jumped the gun badly in starting sales for hotel bookings the day after Sisolak's 30-day shutdown ends, especially as he just called up the Nevada National Guard.
BL.
Thanks for the info. Like most of us on here, we are really in need of our bowling fix. If this stuff turns all walking dead or zombieland I'm headed up to Beverly Hills to occupy one of those mansions with a bowling alley in the basement.
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We just are also faced with the same situation over here in Europe...>:(
Just can´t wait to play again with my friends...
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I'm sure people are bowling without any concern in Sweden or South Dakota.
I wish Kristi Noem was on ballot for president. Because she respects people and freedom. She knows it's not her job to dictate grow adults around like a pack of sheep.
Life is about risk. Nothing is risk free. Today on news was a story of a women who died b/c a tree fell on her. Should we go on a crusade to destroy all trees now? The official risk of death from cv-19 (not that I trust those numbers) is quite low. For people who do not live in nursing homes, even lower.
Those who want to become hermits and only go out with a hazmat suit, whatever. It'd your life. If you want to squander it in fear of a common cold virus, that is your choice. No one has a right to order me about and tell me I can't go outside, stand next to friends, nor need to wear a face diaper.
There is no common cold exception clause in the constitution. We are supposed to have HUMAN RIGHTS. Freedom of speech, assembly, to be secure in our possession and freedom to be left alone from government bureaucrats who will never relinquish tyrannical powers handed over to them.
Gov't shutting down businesses in order to "protect" people is tyranny. Governor Cuomo - tyrant. Newsom - tyrant. Whitmer - tyrant. Thier tyranny is destroying many more lives then it could possibly save. Of course, looking at Kristi Noem and South Dakota we can see the lockdowns have done NOTHING. She didn't need to destroy the lives and business of her constituents to save them. Maybe b/c she is a real governor who serves her people instead of treating them like cattle.
Kristi Noem doesn't have a covid crisis b/c she respects people and freedom. She didn't need to shut down bowling in order to power trip over free citizens.
So I suggest we follow her model. No lockdown. No closed bowling alleys. No stupid rules that make no sense.
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Kristi Noem doesn't have a covid crisis b/c she respects people and freedom.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that her state only has 2 cities with a population above 50k, and is about as far from a major point of entry into the country as you can find. Nope, it's all because she respects people.
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I'm sure people are bowling without any concern in Sweden or South Dakota.
I wish Kristi Noem was on ballot for president. Because she respects people and freedom. She knows it's not her job to dictate grow adults around like a pack of sheep.
Life is about risk. Nothing is risk free. Today on news was a story of a women who died b/c a tree fell on her. Should we go on a crusade to destroy all trees now? The official risk of death from cv-19 (not that I trust those numbers) is quite low. For people who do not live in nursing homes, even lower.
Those who want to become hermits and only go out with a hazmat suit, whatever. It'd your life. If you want to squander it in fear of a common cold virus, that is your choice. No one has a right to order me about and tell me I can't go outside, stand next to friends, nor need to wear a face diaper.
There is no common cold exception clause in the constitution. We are supposed to have HUMAN RIGHTS. Freedom of speech, assembly, to be secure in our possession and freedom to be left alone from government bureaucrats who will never relinquish tyrannical powers handed over to them.
Gov't shutting down businesses in order to "protect" people is tyranny. Governor Cuomo - tyrant. Newsom - tyrant. Whitmer - tyrant. Thier tyranny is destroying many more lives then it could possibly save. Of course, looking at Kristi Noem and South Dakota we can see the lockdowns have done NOTHING. She didn't need to destroy the lives and business of her constituents to save them. Maybe b/c she is a real governor who serves her people instead of treating them like cattle.
Kristi Noem doesn't have a covid crisis b/c she respects people and freedom. She didn't need to shut down bowling in order to power trip over free citizens.
So I suggest we follow her model. No lockdown. No closed bowling alleys. No stupid rules that make no sense.
Tell a lie so bloody much until you believe it's the truth, yes?
You still are ... no.. I can't call it naive anymore. Hell, I can't call it ignorant anymore. You still are stupidly ignorant to what SCOTUS said, and in doing so, shot your entire argument down 105 years ago. I'm not going to repeat it again, because at this point, it's easier to clap with one hand than it is trying to explain that to you.
And Kristi Noem? You mean Governor Kristi Noem, from South Dakota? The same Kristi Noem who believed the same exact thing you do and said "to hell with COVID", and allowed the biker gathering at Sturgis to occur? You know, the same biker gathering that broke out with 200 cases of COVID in a single weekend?
If you want to risk dying because "freedom!" and be willingly ignorant to the fact that you are not only putting your life, but other people's lives in jeopardy, than that's on you. Just so you know, in doing so, not only has the legal precedent been set for attempted murder, but your actions would also fall under domestic terrorism, as that has already been tried in court as well.
So well, done, and keep it up. You'd wind up being a convicted felon and terrorist because of your absolutely asinine opinions about "freedom".
BL.
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Domestic terrorism? What a stupid thing to say. You got to take a chill pill,dude. You believe it's you're right to have an opinion, but like many in this country, think others don't have the same right. I maybe, don't agree with everything that was said, but he has a right to say it as much as you have a right to disagree, but to make a moronic statement like domestic terrorism, goes outside those norms. If property destruction, looting, burning, terroristic acts against innocent people are not considered domestic terrorism, then your take holds no water!!!
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Typical left-wing lemming
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Typical left-wing lemming
And this from a typical conservative right wingnut. :o ::) ;D
I look at both sides and form an opinion without needing someone else telling me what to think. I'm truly sorry you don't have the same ability.
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Better check your TV, there is probably a talking head on at least one channel who can feed you a better comeback...
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And now the New York Times is reporting that the Coronavirus tests are creating false positives by a factor of 10.
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If you want to risk dying because "freedom!" and be willingly ignorant to the fact that you are not only putting your life, but other people's lives in jeopardy, than that's on you. Just so you know, in doing so, not only has the legal precedent been set for attempted murder, but your actions would also fall under domestic terrorism, as that has already been tried in court as well.
So well, done, and keep it up. You'd wind up being a convicted felon and terrorist because of your absolutely asinine opinions about "freedom".
BL.
Please don't take this as an attack, just trying to shed some light on how we perceive things, based on what agenda is pushed.
It's amazing how people will text and drive, drink and drive, and think nothing of it, but hey don't wear a mask in public, and you are the devil.
Real world statistics of texting while driving and drinking while driving:
https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html
https://www.thezebra.com/research/texting-and-driving-statistics/
I'm not saying you should or shouldn't wear a mask in public, I'm just simply trying to state how we conveniently pick and choose what we want to be passionate about.
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I believe it's important to cite those drinking and driving statistics. It's also important to point out that drinking over the legal limit while driving is illegal too, with some pretty steep criminal and civil penalties attached to those who are convicted of violating the law. Equally important is the fact that on average, 29 people are killed every day while drinking and driving--- tragic for sure. However, 1000 people die (on average) every day in this country from Covid-19. That's 35 times more deaths than from drinking and driving every day. Driving under the influence is also, not a contagious disease----one where someone who is infected could pass it on to many, many others. Covid-19 is not like the common cold or the flu. It has been shown to be much more transmissible and many times more lethal than the flu.
As for that NY Times article citing the number of false positives for the virus, that has no impact on the fact that approximately 180,000 Americans are dead from Covid-19 (and counting). Add to this, the thousands of people who have (or had) the virus but are still alive, but who are suffering severe after effects from it.
I get that we are frustrated. I am frustrated. I dearly miss, like you, being able to do the things I used to do before this pandemic struck . I cannot imagine the angst and fear of business owners, bowling alleys, restaurants, theaters and on and on. This is a terrible time for every one of us. Let's all hope that someday soon, that an effective vaccine (s) and therapies can be found to either stamp out this plague or at least to dramatically minimize its effects. Of course there are no guarantees, but let's hope with all of our collective might.
In the meantime, we are going to have to rely on those measures that show that they work in minimizing this virus's spread. This entails wearing a face mask and practicing social distancing when in public. If we fail to do these 2 things, we only further the delay our ability to return to SOME sense of normalcy. Our lives and those of our loved ones depend on it. In addition, we need to pressure our legislators to do all they can in providing a modicum of ongoing economic relief to our families and neighbors who are hurting, as well as to our favorite bowling establishments and the small businesses in each of our communities.
Yes, there is a "cost" in doing this but it's a cost that's worth it. I can think of no better cause.
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bergman,
I think you are missing my point. I'm not getting into a pissing contest over whats worse, covid or driving impaired.
My point is, if we are all of a sudden going to act like we are so compassionate about or fellow man, that's GREAT, but lets be consistent about it. Lets not just care about what the politicians and news outlets say we should care about.
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I must admit that I am a bit skeptical about what we are told by the news reports regarding the Covid-19 situation. But it's from personal experience from where I work and the job I do.
For the past 13 years, I have worked for in a (very) large hospital organization providing skilled nursing and mental health care and rehabilitation.
Our skilled nursing residents all have mental issues in addition to needing regular medical treatment. Skilled nursing residents are 35% +/- of our resident population.
The skilled nursing residents are almost to a person, elderly. We have 14,000 +/- residents in our care, not counting the outpatient services.
So what you ask? Here are the details regarding Covid-19:
Out of 32 campus locations in California, only five of our locations has had anyone test positive(staff or resident).
Of those 5 locations, there were 86 initial positive tests.
Of those 86 initial positives, 47 showed negative on the retest.
Of the 39 actual positive tests, there were 11 deaths(10 residents and 1 staff).
Of the 10 residents we reported as Covid related deaths, 2 were already receiving hospice care, but we were required to report these as Covid-19 deaths.
The other 8 were in a skilled nursing environment prior to Covid with a variety of issues from diabetes, renal failure, heart and/or lung related issues.
All but one of the 8 were over the age of 80. The other was 68 and was the renal failure resident.
The one staff member we lost was 79. She had been employees with the company for 47 years. She has had serious circulation issues(due to diabetes) in her legs for the past 10 years.
So, in short, 14,000 +/- residents, 26,000 +/- employees and 39 actual positive cases with 11(ambiguous at best) reported deaths.
In all fairness, we have handled this better than most organizations with skilled nursing. We went into lock-down before the State of California required it and our staff has been head to toe PPE every day since.
In short, I'm not saying that Covid isn't dangerous and a serious problem. But from what I have seen, this has been politicized to an extreme that is almost unbelievable.
My final word on Covid is this; Dying WITH Covid-19 is not the same as dying FROM Covid-19.
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Domestic terrorism? What a stupid thing to say. You got to take a chill pill,dude. You believe it's you're right to have an opinion, but like many in this country, think others don't have the same right. I maybe, don't agree with everything that was said, but he has a right to say it as much as you have a right to disagree, but to make a moronic statement like domestic terrorism, goes outside those norms. If property destruction, looting, burning, terroristic acts against innocent people are not considered domestic terrorism, then your take holds no water!!!
I wish I could say that I was lying, but I'm not. This is coming straight from the DoJ:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/prosecuting-purposeful-coronavirus-exposure-terrorism
I tend to call out idiocy and hypocrisy when I see it; especially when it comes to double standards, as we should all be true to our convictions instead of playing politics with them, but as it was already said, this virus is real, and the DoJ is treating the intentional infection of someone as that.
At this point, I'm the messenger on that stance, so any complaint about it needs to go to Rosen and the DoJ, not me.
Full PDF from the DoJ is below.
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000171-128a-d911-aff1-becb9b530000
BL.
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Actually it does have an impact on the 180,000 American that are dead from Covid19. "Off by a factor of 10" means that for every 1 correct test there are 10 false positives. So the 180,000 deaths is actually 18,000. I think we sw that last week when all 77 NFL players that tested positive were re-tested with the same test and all came back negative.
So if you think all of these lockdown measures are appropriate because of the 18,000 deaths then I'm curious how you would have handled every previous year of our lives when 30,000-60,000 Americans died of the regular flu.
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Actually it does have an impact on the 180,000 American that are dead from Covid19. "Off by a factor of 10" means that for every 1 correct test there are 10 false positives. So the 180,000 deaths is actually 18,000. I think we sw that last week when all 77 NFL players that tested positive were re-tested with the same test and all came back negative.
So if you think all of these lockdown measures are appropriate because of the 18,000 deaths then I'm curious how you would have handled every previous year of our lives when 30,000-60,000 Americans died of the regular flu.
One big difference here is that with the flu, we have a vaccine that works for it.
[sarcasm/facetious]
Got the flu? no problem! It's like gonorrhea! Go to the doctor, get a shot, clear it right up!
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With this, they're still trying to figure out what it is, how it mutates, different strains, etc., to even begin to figure out a vaccine. Without any sort of treatment, we're stuck back to what we can do to prevent the spread of this, even at the barest minimum. Let's keep in mind that back with the flu, the same preventative measures were taken. Hell, these same measures were taken with typhoid. The story of Typhoid Mary is a very interesting read, especially in relation to COVID and being asymptomatic.
Again, when it comes to numbers like this and quoting stats, I'd be more inclined to believe Erin and what she is going through every day since this started - you know.. those that have the bona fides to back up what they are saying - and what John Hopkins is reporting.
BL.
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Actually it does have an impact on the 180,000 American that are dead from Covid19. "Off by a factor of 10" means that for every 1 correct test there are 10 false positives. So the 180,000 deaths is actually 18,000. I think we sw that last week when all 77 NFL players that tested positive were re-tested with the same test and all came back negative.
So if you think all of these lockdown measures are appropriate because of the 18,000 deaths then I'm curious how you would have handled every previous year of our lives when 30,000-60,000 Americans died of the regular flu.
Dude! Really?? So the stats kept by Johns-Hopkins Institution are all bullshit but we should suddenly believe your newly contrived calculations?? Sheesh!
Faulty testing equipment is just that....faulty! Ask Abbott or ask the CDC!
I've lost fraternity brothers, bowling friends, close friends and family to this damn virus!! TRUST ME! ITS REAL!
I was keeping a tally for awhile but when it passed 25, I just stopped because it was depressing!
This virus constantly mutates! Back in May of this year it had notably mutated 243 times according to scientists! I don't tend to listen to msm media that much, I go to the scientist's websites and look at heir stats!
This one is gonna leave a mark, besides the 180,000+ people that it killed! Once you catch it, you can catch it again! And it leaves damaging internal scars that don't disappear!
You can play if you want to, and pretend its fake news at your peril!
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In order to know 25 people who died from a virus that has officially killed .05% of the population, that would have to reflect you personally knows a lot of people of a very select, vulnerable population, residing in a location of extreme incompetent medical treatment.
Thanks to people like nurse Erin Olszewski, we know how panic turned NYC hospitals such as Elmhurst into death zones. So yeah, it's possible that someone living in a very specific place, who was in contact with many elderly people in poor health to begin with would know so many people.
However, that is clearly not representative of what is happening through the country. There is a joke, it's a virus so dangerous that you need to be tested to know you have it.
Truth be told, as much as I have ranted against lockdown, for close to 3 weeks from March to April I did not leave within 30 feet of my mother who was too sick from some cold/flu (she was never tested) to leave her bed. I did not call for her to go to hospital (we live Queens, the "epicenter") and did some alternative treatments (had a nurse come to apartment twice to give IV vitamin C) and my mom is now fully recovered.
Was it covid? Maybe a bad flu? Don't know, don't really care. At least her son is a doctor and knew enough to get right at home treatment and stay away from Queens hospitals of death.
But I'm not going to take my personal experience and project that outward ignoring all facts, data and logic. If a virus was raging across the country so everyone know someone, if not a dozen or more people who died from it, then there would be no debate. But there is no such virus.
Today I went bowling in Queens. Every other lane blocked off. Bar and food is closed. They didn't even have flyers for league up. They did have people there bowling. One of the only places that didn't drastically increase their rates. So I was able to bowl an hour for $10. But you just have to know, they are operating at a loss right now.
Will I bowl in a league? I don't even know how that will work with all these rules. I will try to support my local bowling alleys. But when some houses suddenly want $35 per hour, that's a lot to run in a practice in afternoon.
I used to practice at some houses out on long island, 9PM and after, all you can bowl for $10. All those deals are gone. They all close at 9PM and no deals other times. I used to bowl about 40 games a week. Can't do that at $6-$7 a game. If I was a millionaire I would do that and support these places, but I'm not.
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Jesse James, your mastery of the exclamation point is impressive!
Pardon my ignorance, but aren't the Johns Hopkins stats based on the states' reporting of testing? The same testing that Dr. Birks said months ago had at least a 50% false positive rate? Which, by the way, means that the Elisa test can't tell the difference between the flu and Covid19 (logical, since the flu is a coronavirus). The same testing that the New York Times is saying is inaccurate by a factor of 10?
And by the way, there is no "vaccine" for the flu. The flu shot is created when the CDC "guesses" which four of the 170 strains of the flu will be the most popular and the flu shot fights those. This should not be confused with preventative (i.e. smallpox) vaccines.
As an aside, my wife's friend had to have surgery last month. At different stages prior to the surgery she had to have three separate Covid19 tests. She was told by the nurse that did the testing that if all three tests came back positive they would be reported to the state as three new and separate cases.
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In order to know 25 people who died from a virus that has officially killed .05% of the population, that would have to reflect you personally knows a lot of people of a very select, vulnerable population, residing in a location of extreme incompetent medical treatment.
Or he knows Kevin Bacon.
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When the 'off by a factor of 10' is mentioned, does that also mean 10X negative results?
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It means that for every true positive there are 10 false positives. The New York Times' words, not mine.
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And then there's this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tennessee-woman-who-died-six-months-ago-notified-by-letter-she-tested-positive-for-covid-19/ar-BB18Je2W?ocid=uxbndlbing (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tennessee-woman-who-died-six-months-ago-notified-by-letter-she-tested-positive-for-covid-19/ar-BB18Je2W?ocid=uxbndlbing)
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Back to my question about false negatives. Looks like they may cancel out the false positives.
https://www.clinicaloncology.com/COVID-19/Article/07-20/False-Negatives-Found-If-COVID-19-Testing-Done-Too-Soon/58781 (https://www.clinicaloncology.com/COVID-19/Article/07-20/False-Negatives-Found-If-COVID-19-Testing-Done-Too-Soon/58781)
For the new analysis, Johns Hopkins Medicine researchers reviewed reverse transcriptase–polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test data from seven prior studies, including two preprints and five peer-reviewed articles. The studies covered a combined total of 1,330 respiratory swab samples from a variety of people, including hospitalized patients and those identified through contact tracing in an outpatient setting.
Using RT-PCR test results, along with reported time of exposure to the virus or time of onset of measurable symptoms—such as fever, cough and breathing problems—the researchers calculated the probability that someone infected with SARS-CoV-2 would have a negative test result when they had the viral infection. In the published studies, health care providers collected nasal and throat samples from patients and noted the time of virus exposure or symptom onset and sample collection.
From these data, the Johns Hopkins researchers calculated daily false-negative rates. The researchers estimated that those tested with SARS-CoV-2 in the four days after infection were 67% more likely to test negative, even if they had the virus (CI, 27% to 94%). When the average patient began displaying symptoms of the virus, the false-negative rate was 38%. The test performed best eight days after infection (on average, three days after symptom onset), but even then had a false-negative rate of 20% (CI, 13% to 31%).
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IDGAF about testing accuracy or the number of cases.
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Data analysis can only be as good as the data itself. Garbage in, garbage out.
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Data analysis can only be as good as the data itself. Garbage in, garbage out.
Exactly!!! And our Governor is bankrupting thousands of families based on garbage data and unrealistic statistical goals. It's almost as criminal as the New York Governor sending thousands of nursing home patients to an early grave.
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Testing is falling apart:
Covid-19 tests may be detecting traces of DEAD virus, giving ‘false positives’ and EXAGGERATING pandemic – research: (there's that research)
https://www.rt.com/news/499944-coronavirus-test-dead-false-positive-exaggerate-pandemic/ (https://www.rt.com/news/499944-coronavirus-test-dead-false-positive-exaggerate-pandemic/)
Early CDC COVID-19 Test Kits 'Likely Contaminated':
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200623/early-cdc-covid-19-test-kits-likely-contaminated (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200623/early-cdc-covid-19-test-kits-likely-contaminated)
Thousands in North Carolina incorrectly told they have COVID:
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/thousands-in-north-carolina-incorrectly-told-they-have-covid/19286724/ (https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/thousands-in-north-carolina-incorrectly-told-they-have-covid/19286724/)
Minnesota's broad COVID-19 testing under microscope:
https://www.startribune.com/broad-covid-19-testing-under-microscope/572396572/ (https://www.startribune.com/broad-covid-19-testing-under-microscope/572396572/)
Medical firm probes false-positive COVID-19 tests in US nursing homes:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/false-positive-covid-tests-investigated-in-nursing-homes/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/false-positive-covid-tests-investigated-in-nursing-homes/)
And for anyone wondering what effect this is happening on businesses, Yelp is reporting that 60% of businesses that closed for Covid have closed permanently.
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Testing is falling apart:
Covid-19 tests may be detecting traces of DEAD virus, giving ‘false positives’ and EXAGGERATING pandemic – research: (there's that research)
https://www.rt.com/news/499944-coronavirus-test-dead-false-positive-exaggerate-pandemic/ (https://www.rt.com/news/499944-coronavirus-test-dead-false-positive-exaggerate-pandemic/)
Early CDC COVID-19 Test Kits 'Likely Contaminated':
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200623/early-cdc-covid-19-test-kits-likely-contaminated (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200623/early-cdc-covid-19-test-kits-likely-contaminated)
Thousands in North Carolina incorrectly told they have COVID:
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/thousands-in-north-carolina-incorrectly-told-they-have-covid/19286724/ (https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/thousands-in-north-carolina-incorrectly-told-they-have-covid/19286724/)
Minnesota's broad COVID-19 testing under microscope:
https://www.startribune.com/broad-covid-19-testing-under-microscope/572396572/ (https://www.startribune.com/broad-covid-19-testing-under-microscope/572396572/)
Medical firm probes false-positive COVID-19 tests in US nursing homes:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/false-positive-covid-tests-investigated-in-nursing-homes/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/false-positive-covid-tests-investigated-in-nursing-homes/)
And for anyone wondering what effect this is happening on businesses, Yelp is reporting that 60% of businesses that closed for Covid have closed permanently.
You’re literally quoting information from Russian Television...for as much as you guys cry fake news, you sure have a hard time identifying it
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Testing is falling apart:
Covid-19 tests may be detecting traces of DEAD virus, giving ‘false positives’ and EXAGGERATING pandemic – research: (there's that research)
https://www.rt.com/news/499944-coronavirus-test-dead-false-positive-exaggerate-pandemic/ (https://www.rt.com/news/499944-coronavirus-test-dead-false-positive-exaggerate-pandemic/)
Early CDC COVID-19 Test Kits 'Likely Contaminated':
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200623/early-cdc-covid-19-test-kits-likely-contaminated (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200623/early-cdc-covid-19-test-kits-likely-contaminated)
Thousands in North Carolina incorrectly told they have COVID:
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/thousands-in-north-carolina-incorrectly-told-they-have-covid/19286724/ (https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/thousands-in-north-carolina-incorrectly-told-they-have-covid/19286724/)
Minnesota's broad COVID-19 testing under microscope:
https://www.startribune.com/broad-covid-19-testing-under-microscope/572396572/ (https://www.startribune.com/broad-covid-19-testing-under-microscope/572396572/)
Medical firm probes false-positive COVID-19 tests in US nursing homes:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/false-positive-covid-tests-investigated-in-nursing-homes/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/false-positive-covid-tests-investigated-in-nursing-homes/)
And for anyone wondering what effect this is happening on businesses, Yelp is reporting that 60% of businesses that closed for Covid have closed permanently.
You’re literally quoting information from Russian Television...for as much as you guys cry fake news, you sure have a hard time identifying it
Yea, that one made me laugh. Talk about made up shit, RT.com is almost if not the worst offender of it genre. I'm surprised Moon of Alabama wasn't on the list too.
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OK, it's fake news. Got it. I'm not arguing that it is real, but I'll play along. Anybody got anything REAL or reasonably close to stating that testing is 100% accurate? I demand 100% accuracy. Not even 99% percent is acceptable.
I say this because where I live we have to get below .00004% positive cases to reopen the economy including bowling centers. Even a 1% error rate can have a substantial impact when you're trying to get below four hundred thousands of a percent.
I'm guessing nobody is gonna find anything verifying testing is 100% accurate and with no double counting within a 2 week time period. Because out here it's measured on a 2 week average, but if you dip above .00004 for just 1 day, the governor can still classify your county as high risk and keep everything shut down.
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OK, it's fake news. Got it. I'm not arguing that it is real, but I'll play along. Anybody got anything REAL or reasonably close to stating that testing is 100% accurate? I demand 100% accuracy. Not even 99% percent is acceptable.
I say this because where I live we have to get below .00004% positive cases to reopen the economy including bowling centers. Even a 1% error rate can have a substantial impact when you're trying to get below four hundred thousands of a percent.
I'm guessing nobody is gonna find anything verifying testing is 100% accurate and with no double counting within a 2 week time period. Because out here it's measured on a 2 week average, but if you dip above .00004 for just 1 day, the governor can still classify your county as high risk and keep everything shut down.
There is no test that is 100%. I doubt there ever will be.
This will probably all be over(the lockdowns) after Nov 9th. So hang in there for a couple more months.
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I'll be fine. I hope my PSO is doing OK.
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OK, it's fake news. Got it. I'm not arguing that it is real, but I'll play along. Anybody got anything REAL or reasonably close to stating that testing is 100% accurate? I demand 100% accuracy. Not even 99% percent is acceptable.
I say this because where I live we have to get below .00004% positive cases to reopen the economy including bowling centers. Even a 1% error rate can have a substantial impact when you're trying to get below four hundred thousands of a percent.
I'm guessing nobody is gonna find anything verifying testing is 100% accurate and with no double counting within a 2 week time period. Because out here it's measured on a 2 week average, but if you dip above .00004 for just 1 day, the governor can still classify your county as high risk and keep everything shut down.
I thought you did not care about testing accuracy?
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IDGAF about testing accuracy or the number of cases.
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IDGAF about cases because case count should not be the only decision point here in CA. Hospitalizations, capacity, ICI capacity, deaths, should be factored in as well. At least those numbers are harder to screw up.
And if anybody comes on here and says case count is the most important thing to consider I will say FO because of the known inaccuracy, double counting, and asymptomatic probability.
Maybe I should have said I'm getting tired of reading about it. It doesn't matter if the news is fake or real of if the testing is accurate or not accurate because my Governor doesn't take that into account and he isn't going to be swayed in any direction. Mine and every other resident of this state (especially the taxpayers) opinions don't count. Looking for a transfer/move out of this state on 1 monitor while I type this on the other monitor.
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IDGAF about cases because case count should not be the only decision point here in CA. Hospitalizations, capacity, ICI capacity, deaths, should be factored in as well. At least those numbers are harder to screw up.
Maybe I should have said I'm getting tired of reading about it. It doesn't matter if the news is fake or real of if the testing is accurate or not accurate because my Governor doesn't take that into account and he isn't going to be swayed in any direction. Mine and every other resident of this state (especially the taxpayers) opinions don't count. Looking for a transfer/move out of this state on 1 monitor while I type this on the other monitor.
Okay, thanks for the clarification. Good luck on your search.
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In order to know 25 people who died from a virus that has officially killed .05% of the population, that would have to reflect you personally knows a lot of people of a very select, vulnerable population, residing in a location of extreme incompetent medical treatment.
Or he knows Kevin Bacon.
For the record, I'd like to add two more people that I knew, to my previous list of 25+ people who caught covid19 and died!
Just so you know, this had zero to do with incompetent medical treatment! One of the dead I mentioned was my Frat brother who was an NIH doctor and researcher......on the FRONT LINES dealing with this daily!
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We can get our economy up and running--- perhaps not like before but certainly better than it is now. Wear a mask. Practice social distancing. The sooner folks do this, the faster we can hope to get up off of our feet.
Support those who are trying to find a safe, effective vaccine. In other words, support the science. Governor Newsom, like our governor in Pa (Gov Wolf), have a monumental task on their hands trying to balance things out.
It's perfectly normal to feel frustrated. Nobody enjoys this. I don't. I, like most folks, sorely miss just being able to stroll through the shopping mall or to not even have to think twice about picking up a bowling bag and heading to the lanes. Unfortunately, these are far from normal times.
There is a lot of talk about individual freedom. The right to do whatever we please.
That was never the case, even before this terrible pandemic struck. There is a well-known legal principle that the law recognizes in this country. That principle states that our freedom to do whatever we please stops "at the end of our noses."
Specifically, this means that we are not free to commit harm to others. When people
refuse to practice social distancing, refuse to wear a mask, they are placing others in potential danger. In many cases, it could mean the difference between life or death.
It is true that as time goes on, we continue to learn new things about this virus. However one thing is clear. Social distancing and masks work. In fact, that's all we have right now.
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We can get our economy up and running--- perhaps not like before but certainly better than it is now. Wear a mask. Practice social distancing. The sooner folks do this, the faster we can hope to get up off of our feet.
Support those who are trying to find a safe, effective vaccine. In other words, support the science. Governor Newsom, like our governor in Pa (Gov Wolf), have a monumental task on their hands trying to balance things out.
It's perfectly normal to feel frustrated. Nobody enjoys this. I don't. I, like most folks, sorely miss just being able to stroll through the shopping mall or to not even have to think twice about picking up a bowling bag and heading to the lanes. Unfortunately, these are far from normal times.
There is a lot of talk about individual freedom. The right to do whatever we please.
That was never the case, even before this terrible pandemic struck. There is a well-known legal principle that the law recognizes in this country. That principle states that our freedom to do whatever we please stops "at the end of our noses."
Specifically, this means that we are not free to commit harm to others. When people
refuse to practice social distancing, refuse to wear a mask, they are placing others in potential danger. In many cases, it could mean the difference between life or death.
It is true that as time goes on, we continue to learn new things about this virus. However one thing is clear. Social distancing and masks work. In fact, that's all we have right now.
VERY WELL SAID. Could not have said it any better.
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"Well that's like your opinion man "
Famous quote from a well-known bowler.
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Governor Newsom, has a monumental task on his hands trying to understand basic statistical analysis and keeping small family owned businesses out of balance with big box stores in California.
There, fixed it for ya.
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Hilarious to go back and read some of the hypnosis and irrational fear that some people were under only a few years ago. Most of these comments haven’t aged well at all.
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Hilarious to go back and read some of the hypnosis and irrational fear that some people were under only a few years ago. Most of these comments haven’t aged well at all.
You had me doing the same thing. This thread is hilarious, and agreed; some sensationalist comments really haven't aged well.
BL.
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Based off the experts we all died.
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Biggest scam or most irrational overreaction ever. It was one of the two.
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Biggest scam or most irrational overreaction ever. It was one of the two.
Both.
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Biggest scam or most irrational overreaction ever. It was one of the two.
Both.
Do you want to be best friends? HAHAHA
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Over a million Americans died, you guys. Coronavirus was and continues to be real.
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Like I said a few pages ago, people may think (for whatever social/political reasons they want) that this is a COVID was/is a joke or a scam, but at least in the bowling community there is one person we could trust with this as she took her downtime during the lockdown to put her life on the line to keep others infected by it alive, and that is Erin McCarthy.
We didn't, but most bowlers don't realize that outside of the PWBA she has a day job as a RN at the University of Nebraska Medical Center and Methodist/Children's Hospital, in Omaha. She was on the frontlines with this and could definitely state and assert that this was real. The interview made with her, Aaron Smith, and Emil Williams is still posted here as well as at BowlTV, so people don't just have to take my word for it.
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As a first responder I definitely wont take your word for it. Seeing near empty hospitals and ERs because people were scared to death to leave the house was real. Seeing people die at home from strokes and heat attacks and other preventable health issues because they were too scared to go to the hospital was very real.
The virus was real, the actual numbers was far less. What most people saw and lived in their day to day did not reflect the news and the governments portrayal because it wasn't the real world the rest of us were living in. Remember what you will it doesn't make it the reality the rest of us went to work in and lived in daily.
Like I said a few pages ago, people may think (for whatever social/political reasons they want) that this is a COVID was/is a joke or a scam, but at least in the bowling community there is one person we could trust with this as she took her downtime during the lockdown to put her life on the line to keep others infected by it alive, and that is Erin McCarthy.
We didn't, but most bowlers don't realize that outside of the PWBA she has a day job as a RN at the University of Nebraska Medical Center and Methodist/Children's Hospital, in Omaha. She was on the frontlines with this and could definitely state and assert that this was real. The interview made with her, Aaron Smith, and Emil Williams is still posted here as well as at BowlTV, so people don't just have to take my word for it.
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RNs and doctors did and said what their hospital group administrators told them to do and say. Their jobs depended on it.
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As a first responder I definitely wont take your word for it. Seeing near empty hospitals and ERs because people were scared to death to leave the house was real. Seeing people die at home from strokes and heat attacks and other preventable health issues because they were too scared to go to the hospital was very real.
The virus was real, the actual numbers was far less. What most people saw and lived in their day to day did not reflect the news and the governments portrayal because it wasn't the real world the rest of us were living in. Remember what you will it doesn't make it the reality the rest of us went to work in and lived in daily.
I saw a lot firsthand as well, as I maintain the hardware and software for the Immunization database for my states' department of public health. In seeing the numbers of vaccines given out (both COVID and non-COVID related), and how much our governor depended on the numbers he was getting from that database, which were all based on doctor and hospital visits, I was seeing quite a bit with what was and is going on. The numbers were definitely real.
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No one is questioning that the numbers were "real" but there is no questioning that the numbers were manipulated. The VAERS database, for example, was without a doubt manipulated. Most people were diagnosed using a PCR test, a test that was normally run at 10-12 cycles but was bumped up to 35 cycles (or 40 in some cases) in order to turn up any minute particle of a Coronavirus. Add to that Kary Mullis, who invented the PCR test, had already publicly declared that the PCR test should not be used for virus detection because "PCR tests can detect 'anything in anybody' and can't tell you if you're sick, because it can be misleading without additional information". And then remember that the federal government coerced social media sites to take down any posts that contradicted the federal government's message (see Missouri's lawsuit v. Biden) and it should be clear that people were being manipulated into a state of fear, a state of fear that still exists in some people today, apparently.
And to anyone in the healthcare industry that says that they know firsthand how serious things were...ask your hospital administrator how financially successful your organization was during Covid. Then ask yourself if that organization would have turned down such a financial windfall. No for-profit organization (or not-for-profit, either) is going to turn down the truckloads of money that the government and pharma industry were delivering on a daily basis. The numbers were most definitely real but not at all accurate.
And then ask yourself why the official definition of "vaccine" was changed during Covid. Vaccine used to be defined as a substances that provides 'immunity' to a specific disease," reads the text of an Instagram post shared Nov. 4. "Now, Merriam Webster has literally changed the definition of 'vaccine' and removed the 'immunity' portion in order to possibly cover for the fact that the COVID 'vaccines' don't actually provide immunity from COVID.