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carlos

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« on: March 13, 2020, 11:19:28 AM »
Has any leagues been cancelled that some of you bowl in due to the Coronavirus ? A tournament I was going to bowl in pulled the plug. I'm in Ohio where mass gatherings of 100 or more are prohibited. Things are changing daily so it could be an adjustment after the 2 p.m. press conference.

 


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« Reply #197 on: September 15, 2020, 10:15:43 PM »
Back to my question about false negatives.  Looks like they may cancel out the false positives.

https://www.clinicaloncology.com/COVID-19/Article/07-20/False-Negatives-Found-If-COVID-19-Testing-Done-Too-Soon/58781


For the new analysis, Johns Hopkins Medicine researchers reviewed reverse transcriptase–polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test data from seven prior studies, including two preprints and five peer-reviewed articles. The studies covered a combined total of 1,330 respiratory swab samples from a variety of people, including hospitalized patients and those identified through contact tracing in an outpatient setting.

Using RT-PCR test results, along with reported time of exposure to the virus or time of onset of measurable symptoms—such as fever, cough and breathing problems—the researchers calculated the probability that someone infected with SARS-CoV-2 would have a negative test result when they had the viral infection. In the published studies, health care providers collected nasal and throat samples from patients and noted the time of virus exposure or symptom onset and sample collection.

From these data, the Johns Hopkins researchers calculated daily false-negative rates. The researchers estimated that those tested with SARS-CoV-2 in the four days after infection were 67% more likely to test negative, even if they had the virus (CI, 27% to 94%). When the average patient began displaying symptoms of the virus, the false-negative rate was 38%. The test performed best eight days after infection (on average, three days after symptom onset), but even then had a false-negative rate of 20% (CI, 13% to 31%).

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« Reply #198 on: September 15, 2020, 10:38:29 PM »
IDGAF about testing accuracy or the number of cases.
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« Reply #199 on: September 17, 2020, 02:08:00 PM »
Data analysis can only be as good as the data itself. Garbage in, garbage out.

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« Reply #200 on: September 17, 2020, 03:31:51 PM »
Data analysis can only be as good as the data itself. Garbage in, garbage out.

Exactly!!!  And our Governor is bankrupting thousands of families based on garbage data and unrealistic statistical goals.  It's almost as criminal as the New York Governor sending thousands of nursing home patients to an early grave. 
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« Reply #201 on: September 18, 2020, 04:26:33 AM »
Testing is falling apart:

Covid-19 tests may be detecting traces of DEAD virus, giving ‘false positives’ and EXAGGERATING pandemic – research: (there's that research)
https://www.rt.com/news/499944-coronavirus-test-dead-false-positive-exaggerate-pandemic/

Early CDC COVID-19 Test Kits 'Likely Contaminated':
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200623/early-cdc-covid-19-test-kits-likely-contaminated

Thousands in North Carolina incorrectly told they have COVID:
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/thousands-in-north-carolina-incorrectly-told-they-have-covid/19286724/

Minnesota's broad COVID-19 testing under microscope:
https://www.startribune.com/broad-covid-19-testing-under-microscope/572396572/

Medical firm probes false-positive COVID-19 tests in US nursing homes:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/false-positive-covid-tests-investigated-in-nursing-homes/

And for anyone wondering what effect this is happening on businesses, Yelp is reporting that 60% of businesses that closed for Covid have closed permanently.
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« Reply #202 on: September 18, 2020, 10:20:22 AM »
Testing is falling apart:

Covid-19 tests may be detecting traces of DEAD virus, giving ‘false positives’ and EXAGGERATING pandemic – research: (there's that research)
https://www.rt.com/news/499944-coronavirus-test-dead-false-positive-exaggerate-pandemic/

Early CDC COVID-19 Test Kits 'Likely Contaminated':
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200623/early-cdc-covid-19-test-kits-likely-contaminated

Thousands in North Carolina incorrectly told they have COVID:
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/thousands-in-north-carolina-incorrectly-told-they-have-covid/19286724/

Minnesota's broad COVID-19 testing under microscope:
https://www.startribune.com/broad-covid-19-testing-under-microscope/572396572/

Medical firm probes false-positive COVID-19 tests in US nursing homes:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/false-positive-covid-tests-investigated-in-nursing-homes/

And for anyone wondering what effect this is happening on businesses, Yelp is reporting that 60% of businesses that closed for Covid have closed permanently.


You’re literally quoting information from Russian Television...for as much as you guys cry fake news, you sure have a hard time identifying it
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« Reply #203 on: September 18, 2020, 10:41:13 AM »
Testing is falling apart:

Covid-19 tests may be detecting traces of DEAD virus, giving ‘false positives’ and EXAGGERATING pandemic – research: (there's that research)
https://www.rt.com/news/499944-coronavirus-test-dead-false-positive-exaggerate-pandemic/

Early CDC COVID-19 Test Kits 'Likely Contaminated':
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200623/early-cdc-covid-19-test-kits-likely-contaminated

Thousands in North Carolina incorrectly told they have COVID:
https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/thousands-in-north-carolina-incorrectly-told-they-have-covid/19286724/

Minnesota's broad COVID-19 testing under microscope:
https://www.startribune.com/broad-covid-19-testing-under-microscope/572396572/

Medical firm probes false-positive COVID-19 tests in US nursing homes:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/false-positive-covid-tests-investigated-in-nursing-homes/

And for anyone wondering what effect this is happening on businesses, Yelp is reporting that 60% of businesses that closed for Covid have closed permanently.


You’re literally quoting information from Russian Television...for as much as you guys cry fake news, you sure have a hard time identifying it

Yea, that one made me laugh. Talk about made up shit, RT.com is almost if not the worst offender of it genre. I'm surprised Moon of Alabama wasn't on the list too.
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« Reply #204 on: September 18, 2020, 02:07:48 PM »
OK,  it's fake news.  Got it.  I'm not arguing that it is real, but I'll play along.  Anybody got anything REAL or reasonably close to stating that testing is 100% accurate?  I demand 100% accuracy.  Not even 99% percent is acceptable.

I say this because where I live we have to get below .00004% positive cases to reopen the economy including bowling centers.  Even a 1% error rate can have a substantial impact when you're trying to get below four hundred thousands of a percent. 

I'm guessing nobody is gonna find anything verifying testing is 100% accurate and with no double counting within a 2 week time period.  Because out here it's measured on a 2 week average, but if you dip above .00004 for just 1 day, the governor can still classify your county as high risk and keep everything shut down. 
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« Reply #205 on: September 18, 2020, 02:42:47 PM »
OK,  it's fake news.  Got it.  I'm not arguing that it is real, but I'll play along.  Anybody got anything REAL or reasonably close to stating that testing is 100% accurate?  I demand 100% accuracy.  Not even 99% percent is acceptable.

I say this because where I live we have to get below .00004% positive cases to reopen the economy including bowling centers.  Even a 1% error rate can have a substantial impact when you're trying to get below four hundred thousands of a percent. 

I'm guessing nobody is gonna find anything verifying testing is 100% accurate and with no double counting within a 2 week time period.  Because out here it's measured on a 2 week average, but if you dip above .00004 for just 1 day, the governor can still classify your county as high risk and keep everything shut down. 

There is no test that is 100%. I doubt there ever will be.

This will probably all be over(the lockdowns) after Nov 9th. So hang in there for a couple more months.
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« Reply #206 on: September 18, 2020, 03:14:31 PM »
I'll be fine.  I hope my PSO is doing OK.
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« Reply #207 on: September 18, 2020, 05:36:32 PM »
OK,  it's fake news.  Got it.  I'm not arguing that it is real, but I'll play along.  Anybody got anything REAL or reasonably close to stating that testing is 100% accurate?  I demand 100% accuracy.  Not even 99% percent is acceptable.

I say this because where I live we have to get below .00004% positive cases to reopen the economy including bowling centers.  Even a 1% error rate can have a substantial impact when you're trying to get below four hundred thousands of a percent. 

I'm guessing nobody is gonna find anything verifying testing is 100% accurate and with no double counting within a 2 week time period.  Because out here it's measured on a 2 week average, but if you dip above .00004 for just 1 day, the governor can still classify your county as high risk and keep everything shut down. 


I thought you did not care about testing accuracy?

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« Reply #198 on: September 15, 2020, 22:38:29 »
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« Reply #208 on: September 18, 2020, 06:02:23 PM »
IDGAF about cases because case count should not be the only decision point here in CA. Hospitalizations, capacity, ICI capacity, deaths, should be factored in as well.  At least those numbers are harder to screw up.

And if anybody comes on here and says case count is the most important thing to consider I will say FO because of the known inaccuracy, double counting, and asymptomatic probability. 

Maybe I should have said I'm getting tired of reading about it.  It doesn't matter if the news is fake or real of if the testing is accurate or not accurate because my Governor doesn't take that into account and he isn't going to be swayed in any direction.  Mine and every other resident of this state (especially the taxpayers) opinions don't count.   Looking for a transfer/move out of this state on 1 monitor while I type this on the other monitor.
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« Reply #209 on: September 18, 2020, 06:10:23 PM »
IDGAF about cases because case count should not be the only decision point here in CA. Hospitalizations, capacity, ICI capacity, deaths, should be factored in as well.  At least those numbers are harder to screw up.

Maybe I should have said I'm getting tired of reading about it.  It doesn't matter if the news is fake or real of if the testing is accurate or not accurate because my Governor doesn't take that into account and he isn't going to be swayed in any direction.  Mine and every other resident of this state (especially the taxpayers) opinions don't count.   Looking for a transfer/move out of this state on 1 monitor while I type this on the other monitor.


Okay, thanks for the clarification.  Good luck on your search.
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« Reply #210 on: September 19, 2020, 12:31:14 PM »
In order to know 25 people who died from a virus that has officially killed .05% of the population, that would have to reflect  you personally knows a lot of people of a very select, vulnerable population, residing in a location of extreme incompetent medical treatment.

Or he knows Kevin Bacon.

For the record, I'd like to add two more people that I knew, to my previous list of 25+ people who caught covid19 and died!

Just so you know, this had zero to do with incompetent medical treatment! One of the dead I mentioned was my Frat brother who was an NIH doctor and researcher......on the FRONT LINES dealing with this daily!
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