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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: jumba98 on November 17, 2020, 12:57:40 PM
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Well it has happened again here in Washington State we have shutdown bowling again, if it lasts longer than a few months I know we will be losing at least 3 of our centers. I don’t golf but that may be my only option. Sad because once gone probably no chance for return of a great family sport option
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Well it has happened again here in Washington State we have shutdown bowling again, if it lasts longer than a few months I know we will be losing at least 3 of our centers. I don’t golf but that may be my only option. Sad because once gone probably no chance for return of a great family sport option
Didn't last a month in California.
But with all of this happening again, once cooler heads prevail, there will be another stimulus package coming, so if that could hold everything together until vaccines go out (which from what I am reading, may provide years to decades worth of immunity), there may be some light at the end of this.
For now, at least in NorCal, we're back to Reno/Carson City having the closest open alleys, and even that may not last since Gov. Sisolak now tested positive for it. All we can do right now is wait and see.
BL.
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Here in Michigan, we were able to make it just about 2 months; Tonight is the last night, as our second shutdown starts effectively Wednesday, at 12:01 am (For the 3 weeks, but I doubt it will open that soon, as our numbers unfortunately have gone crazy the last 3-4 weeks).
I was just finding my groove again, and no this, what a horrible 2020 season. :'(
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Bowling centers in the city of Philadelphia are being shut down again effective 5PM this Friday until the first week of January.
Bowling centers in the surrounding counties are still open (for now.) The health officials in Philly are asking the surrounding counties to also follow their lead and implement the same new restrictions. So far, no word from the surrounding counties whether they plan to follow Philly's lead.
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Despite an uptick in cases here in Pa., bowling centers remain open. If cases continue to rise, we could be facing another temporary shutdown. Hopefully, it won't come to that. With the encouraging news regarding vaccines, perhaps there's some light at the end of the tunnel. Until then, another stimulus package is critical for businesses and families to help tide them over.
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Despite an uptick in cases here in Pa., bowling centers remain open. If cases continue to rise, we could be facing another temporary shutdown. Hopefully, it won't come to that. With the encouraging news regarding vaccines, perhaps there's some light at the end of the tunnel. Until then, another stimulus package is critical for businesses and families to help tide them over.
Residing in one of the counties neighboring Philly, I fully expect the county to follow Philly's lead in the coming weeks and shut down bowling centers again like Philly is doing on Friday. The Philly residents are going to head to the neighboring suburbs which is only going to exacerbate the issue. I fear that the neighboring counties will be pressured to implement similar restrictions to discourage people from leaving their "home areas" in search of activities and businesses they got accustomed to having available to them when things gradually reopened several weeks ago.
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Illinois just announced centers have to close Friday and didn't reference any criteria or timeliness for when they could reopen. RIP Bowling Season and likely the local centers from this shutdown.
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Holiday Doubles at St Clair Bowl a casualty of the Illinois closure.
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Toilet paper, paper towels, napkins etc flying off the shelf in Arkansas. We've had no hint of a shutdown and this started today
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Spokane had 4 centers left. Ones just close permanently and another may not reopen after latest Washington shutdown. Too bad since no documented cases have been associated with bowling centers. Meanwhile restaurants and bars gave been packed with maskless patrons
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Spokane had 4 centers left. Ones just close permanently and another may not reopen after latest Washington shutdown. Too bad since no documented cases have been associated with bowling centers. Meanwhile restaurants and bars gave been packed with maskless patrons
Those patronizing those restaurants and bars are killing it for everyone. unfortunately, singling out the lack of documented cases from bowling alleys isn't going to negate the fact that those idiots going everywhere else unmasked and gathering are killing it for everyone.
For California, at least the Sacramento area, only 2 counties barely had any time to open any alleys: Placer County, which were causing the cases and despite the fact that the county was going to not enforce the mandate, and El Dorado county, which barely had one alley anyway, being the halfway point between Sacramento and Lake Tahoe.
Right now, every county from on I-5 from Medford down to San Diego is in the widespread tier, so nothing will be opening up anytime soon. In fact, I think the only alley that could be open is in Susanville (if it is still there), near all of the prisons.
BL.
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Here in NJ, it is just a matter of time before bowling centers will be shuttered. There is no proof that bowling has contributed to the sharp spike of cases across this state. I still support Governor Murphy who has done a good job under extremely tough circumstances.
The first lockdown of NJ bowling facilities was long: March 14-July 2. We obviously hope that the coming lockdown will be much shorter.
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Connecticut hasn't cracked down as hard as many states. We do have a 10:00 curfew, bars have been closed, and interstate travel is largely verboten without a 14-day quarantine, but otherwise we are under the standard "always wear a mask, stand six feet away, and don't be a jerk" guidelines. The vast majority of people have been very respectful of the rules because we appreciate that they could be much more punishing. We don't want to give the governor a reason to change his mind.
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Pennsylvania modified their statewide masking and interstate travel guidelines yesterday. Masks are now mandatory in all indoor situations, even if you are socially distanced. Also, people are being asked to wear masks in their homes if non-household members are visiting. For travel, anyone (visitors to PA and residents) coming in to PA (other than for work or just briefly passing through) is required to have proof of a negative covid test 72 hours prior to entering the state. If you do not, you must quarantine for 14 days upon entering.
For the most part, people in retail establishments and the like have been following the rules. The bowling center? Not at all.
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That's too bad about the bowling center patrons not following the rules. Guess they don't understand or don't care that's the fastest way to get bowling shut down. It puts bowling centers in a tough position because they don't want to offend their customers by telling them they have to follow the rules. Up here, the league bowlers are usually very good about keeping their masks on because even the people who complain about it don't want to give anybody a reason to shut the bowling centers down.
Open bowlers, on the other hand, are a very mixed bag and are often mask-less the entire time they're bowling. It's starting to become a real point of concern and irritation to the league bowlers because they don't want to be punished (or infected) by people who don't give a crap about the possible repercussions of their carelessness.
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Bowling centers in PA are only permitted 15%-20% capacity under the current guidelines (based on maximum capacity) for indoor events, however most bowling centers are regularly exceeding this number on league nights. It is understandable that the centers want as much business as possible, however they also need to be cognizant of the risk they are putting both their business and customers in by pushing the limits of the rules.
I blame both the customers and the business for not taking things as serious as they should be. It is a very simple "ask" to do their part to keep things operating as long as possible.
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Just to add one more thing. If Biden holds on to this election and gets inaugurated, bowling centers are just the start of a much larger shutdown. The economy as a whole may be going bye bye for any length of time. Some of us may get laid off and fortunate to keep a roof over our heads. Nothing has happened yet and already people are preparing for it as paper products are once again in short supply. I pray for all of us going through this difficult time and I certainly do hope that Biden holds off until the vaccine is out and we get some definitive results.
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Just to add one more thing. If Biden holds on to this election and gets inaugurated, bowling centers are just the start of a much larger shutdown. The economy as a whole may be going bye bye for any length of time. Some of us may get laid off and fortunate to keep a roof over our heads. Nothing has happened yet and already people are preparing for it as paper products are once again in short supply. I pray for all of us going through this difficult time and I certainly do hope that Biden holds off until the vaccine is out and we get some definitive results.
DOOM & GLOOM! ::) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAAKPJEq1Ew
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Just to add one more thing. If Biden holds on to this election and gets inaugurated, bowling centers are just the start of a much larger shutdown. The economy as a whole may be going bye bye for any length of time. Some of us may get laid off and fortunate to keep a roof over our heads. Nothing has happened yet and already people are preparing for it as paper products are once again in short supply. I pray for all of us going through this difficult time and I certainly do hope that Biden holds off until the vaccine is out and we get some definitive results.
But...But...But...Biden said he would shut down the virus, not the economy!!! ;)
One of Biden's covid committee members is also stating that the US should share the vaccine internationally before making it widely available to all Americans. How "nice" of him.
Our county commissioner just said they are taking a wait and see approach to things and will focus on targeted enforcement. That is actually good news here for our county.
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Connecticut hasn't cracked down as hard as many states. We do have a 10:00 curfew, bars have been closed, and interstate travel is largely verboten without a 14-day quarantine, but otherwise we are under the standard "always wear a mask, stand six feet away, and don't be a jerk" guidelines. The vast majority of people have been very respectful of the rules because we appreciate that they could be much more punishing. We don't want to give the governor a reason to change his mind.
A lot of people have trouble with the “don’t be a jerk†position.
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nobody on my league got sick or went missing so to blame this shutdown on the bowler's is incorrect IMO. This an attempt to slow it down across the board. Now we cancel the Holidays that pose probably a bigger threat with the shopping and gatherings. next everyone will be out of work but better then catching this bug.
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The doesn't apply to bowling, but lately when I've been to the supermarket or home improvement stores, I'm noticing more and more people not wearing masks. I don't know if it's just my area, or if people are getting tired of them or thinking they can't be doing much good if we're still wearing them 8 months later and the numbers continue to climb , or? Anyone else noticing less people wearing masks in public?
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They haven't closed down bowling centers yet here.
But about a month ago we had our city tournament. A team showed up that apparently infected and I know of at least 5 bowlers who got covid from them. So it can be spread through bowling activity.
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The doesn't apply to bowling, but lately when I've been to the supermarket or home improvement stores, I'm noticing more and more people not wearing masks. I don't know if it's just my area, or if people are getting tired of them or thinking they can't be doing much good if we're still wearing them 8 months later and the numbers continue to climb , or? Anyone else noticing less people wearing masks in public?
They were talking about that on the news the other day, attributing it to "pandemic fatigue". Just like you said, people just growing tired of the whole thing and getting lax with following the guidelines. I have been seeing it as well...people with masks down around their neck, just holding the top of their shirt up over their face while they run in to the store real quick, or no mask at all. I saw someone recently just holding their hand over their mouth/nose in a store!
I have only seen two news stories about small covid outbreaks linked to bowling. One was in Michigan, and the other in Colorado I believe. Haven't heard of any here in PA linked to bowling, although there was an outbreak linked to an ice hockey league.
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Just to add one more thing. If Biden holds on to this election and gets inaugurated, bowling centers are just the start of a much larger shutdown. The economy as a whole may be going bye bye for any length of time. Some of us may get laid off and fortunate to keep a roof over our heads. Nothing has happened yet and already people are preparing for it as paper products are once again in short supply. I pray for all of us going through this difficult time and I certainly do hope that Biden holds off until the vaccine is out and we get some definitive results.
DOOM & GLOOM! ::) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAAKPJEq1Ew
REALITY!
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The doesn't apply to bowling, but lately when I've been to the supermarket or home improvement stores, I'm noticing more and more people not wearing masks. I don't know if it's just my area, or if people are getting tired of them or thinking they can't be doing much good if we're still wearing them 8 months later and the numbers continue to climb , or? Anyone else noticing less people wearing masks in public?
For the most part people here in Tampa are still wearing masks with the exception of those that I think just got tired of wearing it so when they lifted the mandate they just stopped wearing it. The only issue with masks is that not all masks are effective. Here with the fact we are still dealing with heat and humidity (mid 80s this past week), once you have it on for even a short amount of time it gets difficult to breathe comfortably. The masks gets hot and sticky from sweat and you are almost forced to lift the mask off your face just to give yourself a few deep breaths before putting the mask back on. I have noticed some places still have signs stating you can only enter the premises if you have a mask and other places dont force you to do so. But I can tell you when I go to the store, about 90% of people are wearing a mask. About 50% of people take it off once outside.
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Out here in the Democratic People's Republic of California, there are mask mandates in place. Doesn't matter, inside, outside, swimming, skiing,surfing etc. We are supposed to be wearing a mask. Even between bites when eating. Social Distancing is required as is no indoor gatherings with people who are not in your household...
...unless you are Nancy Pelosi or Gavin Newsome, then the rules don't apply,
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The other problem is that nothing in enforced. A mandate isn't exactly a law. So it really comes off as a suggestion. I think mandates are meant to be temporary so that's why then can be enacted so quickly. Even if a store says they are required by all customers and employees, no one has the guts to force people to use them or leave. And it you are wearing them to protect "the other guy", you're helping protect someone who doesn't care about you. Great system!
Unless a vaccine is introduced very quickly and is very effective, I think most areas would be better served by making it a law, and then enforcing it. But at what level? Very rural areas don't need the same restrictions as densely populated ones.
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There is really no way to enforce the mandates. Authorities cannot be everywhere, and simply do not have time and resources, to go around to every call of someone not wearing a mask in order to fine them and enforce a mask law. You would also be asking the citizens to step up and call police to report non-compliance, and that would lead to some crazy fights I am sure.
At this point, I believe it is better for the public health officials to appeal to people as they are doing and continue to stress that wearing a mask in public right now is the decent, responsible thing to do as a citizen. For the most part, I want to believe that people do have some sort of compassion towards their fellow man and would want to do what is necessary to help each other out. There will always be resistance, but I do not think people would want to find out they unknowingly passed the virus to someone else and got them seriously ill or worse. Wearing a mask reduces the chances of that happening, whether you are at the bowling center or running in to the quickie mart for a gallon of milk.
Masks are not perfect, and are certainly not convenient. However we are most likely stuck with them for another 12 months. The vaccine is coming, some reports say as early as today for emergency use authorization. It will take until next spring before they are widely available and even then there will be 50% of the population that will not want to get it. Health officials said in our state, the vaccine will be recommended however will not be mandatory. I am not sure what percentage of the population will need to be inoculated before health officials will be ready to say "Okay! We are all set! No more restrictions, no more masks!"
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^^^^ Excellent post^^^^
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There is really no way to enforce the mandates. Authorities cannot be everywhere, and simply do not have time and resources, to go around to every call of someone not wearing a mask in order to fine them and enforce a mask law. You would also be asking the citizens to step up and call police to report non-compliance, and that would lead to some crazy fights I am sure.
At this point, I believe it is better for the public health officials to appeal to people as they are doing and continue to stress that wearing a mask in public right now is the decent, responsible thing to do as a citizen. For the most part, I want to believe that people do have some sort of compassion towards their fellow man and would want to do what is necessary to help each other out. There will always be resistance, but I do not think people would want to find out they unknowingly passed the virus to someone else and got them seriously ill or worse. Wearing a mask reduces the chances of that happening, whether you are at the bowling center or running in to the quickie mart for a gallon of milk.
Masks are not perfect, and are certainly not convenient. However we are most likely stuck with them for another 12 months. The vaccine is coming, some reports say as early as today for emergency use authorization. It will take until next spring before they are widely available and even then there will be 50% of the population that will not want to get it. Health officials said in our state, the vaccine will be recommended however will not be mandatory. I am not sure what percentage of the population will need to be inoculated before health officials will be ready to say "Okay! We are all set! No more restrictions, no more masks!"
Especially when the "Authorities" don't follow their own rules. It tends to make people ignore them.
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There is really no way to enforce the mandates. Authorities cannot be everywhere, and simply do not have time and resources, to go around to every call of someone not wearing a mask in order to fine them and enforce a mask law. You would also be asking the citizens to step up and call police to report non-compliance, and that would lead to some crazy fights I am sure.
At this point, I believe it is better for the public health officials to appeal to people as they are doing and continue to stress that wearing a mask in public right now is the decent, responsible thing to do as a citizen. For the most part, I want to believe that people do have some sort of compassion towards their fellow man and would want to do what is necessary to help each other out. There will always be resistance, but I do not think people would want to find out they unknowingly passed the virus to someone else and got them seriously ill or worse. Wearing a mask reduces the chances of that happening, whether you are at the bowling center or running in to the quickie mart for a gallon of milk.
Masks are not perfect, and are certainly not convenient. However we are most likely stuck with them for another 12 months. The vaccine is coming, some reports say as early as today for emergency use authorization. It will take until next spring before they are widely available and even then there will be 50% of the population that will not want to get it. Health officials said in our state, the vaccine will be recommended however will not be mandatory. I am not sure what percentage of the population will need to be inoculated before health officials will be ready to say "Okay! We are all set! No more restrictions, no more masks!"
Especially when the "Authorities" don't follow their own rules. It tends to make people ignore them.
Especially when the president makes fun of people wearing masks and is rarely seen wearing one.
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There is really no way to enforce the mandates. Authorities cannot be everywhere, and simply do not have time and resources, to go around to every call of someone not wearing a mask in order to fine them and enforce a mask law. You would also be asking the citizens to step up and call police to report non-compliance, and that would lead to some crazy fights I am sure.
At this point, I believe it is better for the public health officials to appeal to people as they are doing and continue to stress that wearing a mask in public right now is the decent, responsible thing to do as a citizen. For the most part, I want to believe that people do have some sort of compassion towards their fellow man and would want to do what is necessary to help each other out. There will always be resistance, but I do not think people would want to find out they unknowingly passed the virus to someone else and got them seriously ill or worse. Wearing a mask reduces the chances of that happening, whether you are at the bowling center or running in to the quickie mart for a gallon of milk.
Masks are not perfect, and are certainly not convenient. However we are most likely stuck with them for another 12 months. The vaccine is coming, some reports say as early as today for emergency use authorization. It will take until next spring before they are widely available and even then there will be 50% of the population that will not want to get it. Health officials said in our state, the vaccine will be recommended however will not be mandatory. I am not sure what percentage of the population will need to be inoculated before health officials will be ready to say "Okay! We are all set! No more restrictions, no more masks!"
Especially when the "Authorities" don't follow their own rules. It tends to make people ignore them.
Especially when the president makes fun of people wearing masks and is rarely seen wearing one.
I don't recall the orange headed idiot issuing a mask mandate. And I know you can't be referring to the "President Elect" as he has been hiding in the basement the entire time.
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I hate it when a post that concerns & starts out "bowling" gets hijacked for political reasons & responses. ::)
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The weak-minded among us have become so brainwashed by the media that they can't buy ketchup without it being a political issue.
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The weak-minded among us have become so brainwashed by the media that they can't buy ketchup without it being a political issue.
You do know that when you use the word "us", you throw yourself most definitely in the mix too don't you? But that's OK & don't feel like the Lone Ranger now, oh feeble minded one, hear? ::)
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I thought this website was meant to help us all escape the extremist politics of our current times and the loud, obnoxious, crazy people of both sides who won't shut up about it. I guess that was very naive. Seems like the loud, obnoxious, crazy people will find a way to make their opinions heard no matter what the topic is.
Can we please just say that both sides have valid points, there is no perfect solution to the COVID situation, and we'll all have a better chance of getting through this if we calm down and listen to each other instead of insulting each other? Yeah, I didn't think so.
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Like it or not, Covid 19 IS a political issue. So the thread wasn't hijacked.
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Well, the thread started as informative and directly related to bowling before it turned into a political insult fest. So I guess "hijacked" depends on your perspective. I reject the idea that politics necessarily equates to insults devoid of factual information. While that probably doesn't mean that the thread was hijacked, it does mean that it's wildly off-base from its original topic with absolutely no discernible informative value.
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PA is now restricting "indoor gatherings" including indoor sports to either 10% or 5% of licensed capacity. 0-2000 is limited to 10%, 2001-5000 is limited to 5%. Our center is in the 5% band, so restricted to approximately 200 people. Hopefully that is as restrictive as we get!
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PA is now restricting "indoor gatherings" including indoor sports to either 10% or 5% of licensed capacity. 0-2000 is limited to 10%, 2001-5000 is limited to 5%. Our center is in the 5% band, so restricted to approximately 200 people. Hopefully that is as restrictive as we get!
I wish that was the case here in southern California but it keeps looking more and more likely bowling won't be open until summer 2021
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PA is now restricting "indoor gatherings" including indoor sports to either 10% or 5% of licensed capacity. 0-2000 is limited to 10%, 2001-5000 is limited to 5%. Our center is in the 5% band, so restricted to approximately 200 people. Hopefully that is as restrictive as we get!
I wish that was the case here in southern California but it keeps looking more and more likely bowling won't be open until summer 2021
How many bowling alleys you think will be left at that time to bowl in?
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No bowling for me in either league until I believe week of 12/14
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PA is now restricting "indoor gatherings" including indoor sports to either 10% or 5% of licensed capacity. 0-2000 is limited to 10%, 2001-5000 is limited to 5%. Our center is in the 5% band, so restricted to approximately 200 people. Hopefully that is as restrictive as we get!
I wish that was the case here in southern California but it keeps looking more and more likely bowling won't be open until summer 2021
How many bowling alleys you think will be left at that time to bowl in?
I honestly have no idea how many will be left. I know the ones around me did fairly well for the most part but being forced to stay closed by the government and receiving hardly any money could be the end.
Newsom's economic task force was a joke and the California Rebuilding Fund they announced Friday is almost an even bigger joke
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PA is now restricting "indoor gatherings" including indoor sports to either 10% or 5% of licensed capacity. 0-2000 is limited to 10%, 2001-5000 is limited to 5%. Our center is in the 5% band, so restricted to approximately 200 people. Hopefully that is as restrictive as we get!
I wish that was the case here in southern California but it keeps looking more and more likely bowling won't be open until summer 2021
How many bowling alleys you think will be left at that time to bowl in?
It's going to be the same throughout the state. NorCal is just as affected. In fact, with 39 of the 58 counties going into the widespread tier and the only 2 counties that could have an alley open don't have any in them, the entire state is out.
We can't even hit up Nevada either, because they are going on all but full lockdown for 3 weeks starting Wednesday. I don't know how Medford is doing either, so right now for the entire state, the closest bowling alleys open are in Kingman and Yuma.
BL.
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The weak-minded among us have become so brainwashed by the media that they can't buy ketchup without it being a political issue.
You do know that when you use the word "us", you throw yourself most definitely in the mix too don't you? But that's OK & don't feel like the Lone Ranger now, oh feeble minded one, hear? ::)
You misunderstood. The sentence means that, among us, there are weak minded people. And yes, it is a political issue. When politicians fail to follow their own orders it tells us that they orders aren't real. So we (intentional use of we) haven't made it political, the politicians have.