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nocarey

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Cracked bowling balls (article)
« on: November 03, 2014, 11:10:33 AM »

 

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2014, 05:22:53 PM »
You Topekans must not be too familiar with frost heave and the resulting pot holes.  Ain't no rock going to stop that.

LoL!!  You got that sh** right... Especially here in Chicagoland after -30 degree day or 2. LoL!!

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2014, 07:13:58 AM »
Actually we are.  We get below 0 in the winter and above 100 in the summer, biggest temperature swing in the country.  90% of the Kansas rock quarry's business is our DOT for building roads, but the problem is that Kansas limestone sucks for concrete.  It's porous, so when water seeps inside the rock and freezes, it blows all the rock up.  All our roads are built on fly ash treated subgrade underneath cement treated base underneath the concrete, so there's no heaving.  All our testing with harder rock proves it to be significantly better and longer lasting.  No, it won't completely stop it or prevent it, but it slows it down quite a bit. 

You Topekans must not be too familiar with frost heave and the resulting pot holes.  Ain't no rock going to stop that.
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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2014, 11:12:06 AM »
Who here has had Hyroads crack?  Those shells are SUPER thick. 

I did this past spring. . .but the ring finger had been plugged almost two years ago.

The crack developed all the way around the ball thru the pin.
Think I have a picture somewhere, I'll try to find it.

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2014, 02:39:46 PM »
Well that's kind of the point to everybody saying that shell thickness has something to do with it. 

Who here has had Hyroads crack?  Those shells are SUPER thick. 

I did this past spring. . .but the ring finger had been plugged almost two years ago.

The crack developed all the way around the ball thru the pin.
Think I have a picture somewhere, I'll try to find it.
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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2014, 04:25:14 PM »
Well that's kind of the point to everybody saying that shell thickness has something to do with it. 

Who here has had Hyroads crack?  Those shells are SUPER thick. 

I did this past spring. . .but the ring finger had been plugged almost two years ago.

The crack developed all the way around the ball thru the pin.
Think I have a picture somewhere, I'll try to find it.
No one ever said thicker shelled balls never cracked...As Pike would say...Reading is a skill...But some of us WONDER...why there is so much cracking on today's balls...you know, the ones with the thinner shells...

Oh wait...I forgot...All the ball companies got a case of STUPID...And all at the same
time...forgot how to cure a ball..


Yep....that must be the reason...

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2014, 04:59:26 PM »
JLS if you apparently have all the answers, as usual, why do you continue the discussion only to imply your superior intellect?
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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2014, 07:27:12 PM »
Do the thinner covers (to make room for bigger cores) affect the rate that the balls cure?

On edit - must have missed this earlier.  You said that the core might still be curing and that would affect the ball during the remainder of the manufacturing process.  I thought the cores were made from a much denser material that wouldn't be trying to make the micro pores that make the covers do what they do.  I never would have thought to place blame on the core.

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2014, 08:40:28 PM »
I, like most on here, am not an expert on this subject. I think JustRico made very valid points about the curing process and the core. I will say after bowling for 41 years, going through many different eras of bowling balls and using finger inserts in almost every ball since their inception, super glue is not the reason for cracking. Cracking around fingers is usually related to using too much force when removing inserts if you use a screwdriver or like object to loosen them. I have used super glue to repair small chipped areas on balls and have never had a problem. If the reaction of the glue on the ball caused cracking, i sure would have seen something after all the balls I've repaired. I think the curing process and the bowlers lack of care when taking of a ball, is why they crack. Not super glue!!!

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #54 on: November 06, 2014, 10:13:29 PM »
Just picked up my son's old 900 Global Break Point to test a new home made ball De-oiler. It's cracked complete around the ball. This thing has been sitting in a box for a couple years. Just sitting. The crack is new since I just moved it around a couple days ago. Crack starts at the index finger and goes around the long way to the thumb hole. 

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #55 on: November 06, 2014, 10:20:05 PM »
At least you can still test the de-oiler. 

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #56 on: November 06, 2014, 11:31:00 PM »
Does it really matter why bowling balls crack?

 We've been in the "resin era" for over 20 years now, and for all those years, I've heard the same old complaints, and the same old GUESSWORK answers about cracked bowling balls.

 The fact is, resin balls have ALWAYS tended to crack at a much higher rate than any other type ball. 

 Do the cores swell and crack the cover?  Do the covers shrink around the core?  Do the covers react with the chemical composition of super glue?  Is it due to the different expansion/contraction ratio between the core and cover?  Is this a factor more important with wide, sudden temperature variance?  Are the covers actually more susceptible to cracking because of their inherent chemical composition?

 IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER.  The majority of bowlers spoke with their dollars long ago, and they voted in the reactive resin era by a WIDE margin. BOWLERS told manufacturers they WANTED and ACCEPTED bowling balls that could possibly crack, as long as it meant they could use them as a mechanical replacement for physical ability.

 Stop harping and carping about cracking bowling balls. The hue and cry for advanced performance was long and loud, and bowlers have nobody to blame for this situation other than themselves. Cracking bowling balls is just a side effect of sacrificing durability for performance, something the manufacturers were long ago told was OK by people willing to spend more and more money, on more and more balls than ever before, all while watching the life of the product getting shorter and shorter.
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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2014, 07:02:05 AM »
No they didn't explicitly say it, but if they said the thinner shells were a cause of it, that would mean they thought thicker shells either didn't crack or that it reduced the probability.  Logic is also a skill, and that was an extremely simple connection there.  If thinner shells = more cracking, logic dictates that thicker shells = less cracking. 

Well that's kind of the point to everybody saying that shell thickness has something to do with it. 

Who here has had Hyroads crack?  Those shells are SUPER thick. 

I did this past spring. . .but the ring finger had been plugged almost two years ago.

The crack developed all the way around the ball thru the pin.
Think I have a picture somewhere, I'll try to find it.
No one ever said thicker shelled balls never cracked...As Pike would say...Reading is a skill...But some of us WONDER...why there is so much cracking on today's balls...you know, the ones with the thinner shells...

Oh wait...I forgot...All the ball companies got a case of STUPID...And all at the same
time...forgot how to cure a ball..


Yep....that must be the reason...
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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2014, 07:50:41 AM »
Does it really matter why bowling balls crack?

Not really, but most of us are curious anyway.  Still, years ago the cracks were smaller and slower developing.  You had a chance to fix them if you caught it in time.  Now you have a ball that's treated with kid's gloves and you can wake up to a 3 month old ball cracked the entire way around the ball.  True, we're always trying to get every ounce of performance out of a ball, but again years ago we dealt with "dead" balls that might or might not be brought back to life (resurfacing, de-oiling, ...) but now the ball is 100% completely unusable.  If there's something I can do to avoid it, I want to know.  If the manufacturers are to blame and it's something they can avoid, maybe we can hold them accountable.

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2014, 08:02:05 AM »
I think it matters a lot.

I'd love to know why a ball that's just been sitting just up and cracks all the way around.

If it's due to how it's being stored, don't you think everyone here and most bowlers would want to know? With the cost of equipment, if I'm causing the cracks, please tell me and I'll do what's necessary to not have it happen. My son was kinda sad to see it had cracked. Picked it up and said "I still could have thrown this."

That's this point I believe. They're bowling balls. We expect to be able to let them sit and them to be there should we want to go back to them.

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Re: Cracked bowling balls (article)
« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2014, 09:13:45 AM »
Hey Rico...Gizm
JLS if you apparently have all the answers, as usual, why do you continue the discussion only to imply your superior intellect?
You have your opinion and fell it rights...let it go at that
HEY RICO, GIZMO CONTINUES to post his views...HOW COME YOU DON'T GET ON HIM...OH YA   HE AGREES WITH YOU...

This isn't rocket science...I seriously doubt that companies like Storm and Ebonite don't know how to properly CURE A bowling ball...

But according to you...MR I KNOW EVERYTHING...they don't...

Sorry Charlie...But when it comes to knowing about curing balls...I BELIEVE THAT STORM AND EBONITE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING...

now


are we clear



In the 70's, 80's 90's we never had major issues with balls cracking...THICKER SHELLS...

But in the last 10-20 years...Cracking has become an issue...And that goes right
along with THINNER SHELLS that are more porous...

So Rico...that's my opinion....you can have yours...and so can Gizmo...

BUT DON'T TELL ME TO NOT POST MY VIEWS...NO ONE DIED AND MADE RICO THE BOSS OF BR.COM


still clear


oh and BTW...there were several people who also believed that thinner shells may be the cause...and one also posted he didn't buy in to the FLEXIBLE story...

again

still clear...