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Title: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 09:03:47 AM
It seems that in today's population of young bowlers, all they want to do is crank it across the alley. You see it in leagues, and open bowling, kids grabbing a ball off the rack, using no thumb and just makin it go from one end to the other usually not getting many pins. Why is it that every young kid strives to throw that big hook. I am one of the few that is not like that, i am trying to be a nice Stroker. Would anyone agree that it is easy to repeat a strokers shot rather than a crankers, wont the scores prevail over the look of the ball going down? what do you guys think
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: RPM MAX on April 16, 2005, 05:07:44 PM
NO NO NO! Its all about what is natural to you and what you can repeat. Why must you keep going on about how crankers can not repeat shots? There is no right or wrong way to bowl its all about what works for you.
Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:09:08 PM
well im saying you have so many revs that you miss your spot, you lose your shot, not that it is natural just on the fact of consistancy
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:10:04 PM
I do see that if you have down your shot, and your a cranker, like sean in that synergy video, ya it can be deadly, but for the average bowler that i watch do that they seem like they have trouble hitting the same spot with how much they have to get into the ball
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: RPM MAX on April 16, 2005, 05:12:12 PM
Sean is a kid who has not learned to control his swing. He is not a great example of how a good cranker can repeat shots.
Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: MSC2471 on April 16, 2005, 05:13:24 PM
In theory it would be easier to repeat a stroker's shot compared to a cranker's shot, but once again we are talking about accuracy versus power issues. While a stroker can be deadly accurate, without the proper power and leverage behind each shot the cranker could outscore the stroker every time.

I myself grew up learning how to stroke the ball, and while I'm impressed sometimes with people that play coast to coast, I'll take a game of 9/9/9/X9/9/XX9/9/X for a 205 over the crankers who may put up 8 strikes in that span but can't make a spare to save their lives...

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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:16:48 PM
Ya, i noticed many of them cant get down their shots on the right part of lane (righty) the other day i seen a cranker get 8 in a row and finish with 221 cuz he couldnt pull though on 10 pins
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: RPM MAX on April 16, 2005, 05:17:11 PM
Thats another thing people who can rip on the ball are labeled as bad spare shooters thats just bull! I belive I am much better than average when it comes to shooting spares.
Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:18:16 PM
the ones i seen crank their spare balls, supposing they dont hook, and they miss is by feet almost all the time (going off of one or two people i see every week)
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bighook69 on April 16, 2005, 05:18:27 PM
the main concern here is youth bowlers who by no means (most the time) are doing wat is natral, they are trying to throw big hooks, just like there favorite PBA star, or simply because it looks cool. There are some older crankers who can control the "power shot" BUT in kids under the are of 16 (YABA bowlers) most of them all want to throw a big hook and very few of them can control it.

I will join Easton in being a YABA bowler that has no want or means to rip the cover off the ball, from what i've seen the cranker can score about the same as the stroker but he will have a tendency to miss more, but get forgiving breaks, than the stroker (once again from YABA bowlers).

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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:20:52 PM
YAY someone on my side, see i would like to know the secrets and how to throw that, just for times you need it, I.E. heavy oil, when i cant hook it i could put a little more in the ball but i believe straight up is the way to go, if you hook it too much, nothing hard about adding more speed, only help hitting power, i just think you cant lose that way, lol well to bad if your consistant
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: MSC2471 on April 16, 2005, 05:21:34 PM
RPM Max: This doesn't mean that all crankers can't shoot spares, just like I know many strokers that aren't great spare shooters either. Sorry if you assumed that I was targetting all crankers in this category. I just happen to know in my local area a lot of people who like to throw the ball from one end to the other and then do the same thing at spares, leaving them perplexed as to why they miss a 10 pin by half the lane...

Matt

Edited on 4/16/2005 5:30 PM
Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: RPM MAX on April 16, 2005, 05:23:32 PM
Well any one who revs a spare ball deserves to miss the ten pin I fire hard and straight about 22 mph.
Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:24:04 PM
quote:
RPM Max: This doesn't mean that all crankers can't shoot spares, just like I know many strokers that aren't great spare shooters either. Sorry if you assumed that I was targetting all crankers in this category. I just happen to know in my local area a lot of people who like to throw the ball from one end of the other and then do the same thing at spares, leaving them perplexed as to why they miss a 10 pin by half the lane...

Matt


That is about identicle to around me, lol i like the kids that try to crank it no thumb but stand like they are going for straight up shot, and hook right in the opposite gutter, lol and act like they threw it wrong and get p*ssedlol i laugh at them
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bighook69 on April 16, 2005, 05:24:20 PM
and is this not directed toward the youth? RPM max how old are you and how ong have you been doing this (bowling like you do)?
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:25:25 PM
ya im trying to talk about the youth bowlers, that right off the bat want to crank it, no working up, just crank crank crank
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: RPM MAX on April 16, 2005, 05:27:49 PM
I have just turned 30 and have been bowling 16 years. Easton please don't confuse revolution with hook I can just as easily play with my 600rpm up 5 as I can swinging the entire lane. Its all about the tilt and speed and release that I give the ball to get my desired reaction.
Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:29:18 PM
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I have just turned 30 and have been bowling 16 years. Easton please don't confuse revolution with hook I can just as easily play with my 600rpm up 5 as I can swinging the entire lane. Its all about the tilt and speed and release that I give the ball to get my desired reaction.


go to a local bowling alley and you watch the kids, all the do is spin the cover off the ball and that is sailin all over the place, that is more what im refferring to
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bighook69 on April 16, 2005, 05:30:02 PM
i remember a youth bowler (about 14 years old i bet) who was at the pro-am and bowling on the lanes next to where i was, he was a MAJOR cranker and when he had the ball in the pocket it WOULD strike, but he also had a hard time on the pba pattern, he averages like 180 or so (if he was telling the truth, when i asked him) but everytime he missed right (right handed) he would leave nasty washouts and pin count in the 7 area, he was good but couldn't get it dont under the harder lane conditions.

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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bighook69 on April 16, 2005, 05:31:27 PM
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I have just turned 30 and have been bowling 16 years. Easton please don't confuse revolution with hook I can just as easily play with my 600rpm up 5 as I can swinging the entire lane. Its all about the tilt and speed and release that I give the ball to get my desired reaction.


see you have had ample time to adjust your game to your liking, NOW tell me who was your favorite bowler while growing up and how did he bowl?
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:33:38 PM
big hook where do i member you from
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bighook69 on April 16, 2005, 05:34:48 PM
we had a long discussion last night about scoth-brite pads and stuff. Read your PM's if you havn't deleted them already it should jog your memory
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: RPM MAX on April 16, 2005, 05:35:28 PM
I can get it done under the harder conditions! I am one of the most versatile players u will ever see I can play any part of the lanes. 1st arrow to 7th no probs!
Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:35:53 PM
did i talk to you on aim, lol sorry it is just i see everyones name so much i forget but i remember lol

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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bighook69 on April 16, 2005, 05:36:38 PM
nope i dont have aim
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bowler257628 on April 16, 2005, 05:37:24 PM
Crankers spray the ball just like everyone else.. Crankers are human and make mistakes. YES they miss their mark sometimes, but who the heck dosent? Look at Tommy Jones and Rob Smith, then look at Norm Duke and Steve Jaros. Yeah SOMETIMES they let ONE or TWO go but its not their style, it could be a matter of getting to fast or a back arm swing. Dont blame the style.
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bighook69 on April 16, 2005, 05:38:20 PM
RMP, thats nice.

this topic doesn't concern you alone, BUT all the youth crankers.
You must have seen some so tell me what do you think?
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bighook69 on April 16, 2005, 05:39:52 PM
Cody, again this is about the YABA bowlers NOT pro's. THEY make small mistakes, the youth make quite bigger ones.
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bowler257628 on April 16, 2005, 05:42:10 PM
It dosent matter if your youth or not YOUR HUMAN arnt you? If you dont spray a ball or 2 then well your a friggin robot. EVERYONE Sprays a ball. Easton sprays every ball but thats besides the point. Hell I wont lie, I shot 250 sprayin EVERY shot. am I proud of it? Somewhat lol IT HAPPENES.
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bighook69 on April 16, 2005, 05:43:16 PM
this is turning into a "style contest" now we all are blaming the other style, forget it people we all have flaws. Strokers dont hit hard enough sometimes and crankers miss sometimes. there we know the truth
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bowler257628 on April 16, 2005, 05:44:09 PM
Strokers miss too. Crankers Miss, Tweeners miss, EVERYONE misses, nobody understands that. AGE has NOTHING to do with who misses.
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bighook69 on April 16, 2005, 05:44:22 PM
Cody i take it your a Cranker?
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:44:45 PM
were on the subject of youths though, newer to the game, never really tried every shot, just first they they wanted to do is be a cranker, now someone older, has had time to meess around see what is good and get it down path, i will say probably will have a fine shot being a cranker but referring to youth they most of the time barely ever get flush strikes, that i see
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bighook69 on April 16, 2005, 05:45:29 PM
no but age has to do with influence on the bowlers style. Youth want to throw the big hook SIMPLE as that. everyone will miss eventully true.
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:46:30 PM
yes but i was trying to bring up that arent strokers more consistant than crankers, easy to repeat, the shot type
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bowler257628 on April 16, 2005, 05:47:20 PM
Im not a cranker. Did you guys not watch the motel 6 show today? Duke sprayed one. I know older guys who spray every ball. YEAH the subject is youth but that dosent mean crap. AGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TALENT. Look at Brian Valenta, Mark French, PJ Haggraty(I know I misspelled it dont flame me please). How many times have they sprayed a ball before they learned. YOU GOTTA LEARN TO DO SOMTHIN Good. You guys will never understand what im sayin.
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: RPM MAX on April 16, 2005, 05:47:20 PM
Well not being from the US, I cant comment on the way your youth players play. I live in Northern Ireland where there is not a large number of players but there is defiantly some quality young players in their early 20's. All of which at some point have tried to copy me, but have all developed solid games with good revs which I belive is down to finding out what they can and can't do with a bowling ball when they were young. Then working out what best suits them and fine tuning it as they get older.
Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bowler257628 on April 16, 2005, 05:48:10 PM
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yes but i was trying to bring up that arent strokers more consistant than crankers, easy to repeat, the shot type
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NO! Strokers arnt more consistant then crankers.
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:50:04 PM
it seems like the coast to coast shot has more chance of goiing wrong somewhere down the lane, from what i see, im basing it orr YABA bowlers, not pros
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bowler257628 on April 16, 2005, 05:51:11 PM
what? Dude spell check at the bottom!
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bowler257628 on April 16, 2005, 05:52:25 PM
EVERY YOUTH BOWLER OF EVERY STYLE SPRAYS THE BALL. I assumed someone would catch on eventually.
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: Brunswick Kid on April 16, 2005, 05:52:44 PM
Strokers are NOT more consistent than crankers.  Well, that's IMO.

Not to brag or anything (), but, I'm a terribly low rev-rate'er stroker, and I believe that I am more accurate than some teens... sorta...
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:53:17 PM
lol
sorry im trying to get ready to go play hockey
lol i meant that I'm speaking about young bowlers that have just picked up a ball and want to crank
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bowler257628 on April 16, 2005, 05:54:27 PM
I give up..
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:54:56 PM
and how most of everyone strives to be a cranker, what do they see thats any better, in my eyes i see inconsistency on crankers side, IN YOUTH!
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: Brunswick Kid on April 16, 2005, 05:55:12 PM
XD Cody...
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: RPM MAX on April 16, 2005, 05:56:27 PM
Easton can u crank the ball?
If the answer is no how the hell do u know that u cant repeat shots better cranking it over stroking it up 5?
Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:56:40 PM
see i seee goods on both cranker and stroker, im stroker, but the crankers seem to think that is the best thing to happen in bowling and think there is no flaw in THEIR swing, im talking about eeryobody not just YOU
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:57:33 PM
I'm basing this off of what i see in bowling alleys among the youth bowlers
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: RPM MAX on April 16, 2005, 05:58:20 PM
I see whats going on here! CRANKER ENVY!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 05:59:11 PM
LOL! all you crankers unite it seems like
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bowler257628 on April 16, 2005, 06:00:08 PM
Protect your own!
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 06:04:11 PM
it breaks down Bowlers v Other sport; Crankers v Stroker; Brus v Storm ; ball v ball...
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: EastonCxN on April 16, 2005, 06:17:37 PM
what i was trying to get across the whole time was about kids these days cranking,seems as if the crankers think that they have no flaws, well i see their flaws, and they need help realizing that, no style is perfect, just what you like
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: a_ak57 on April 16, 2005, 08:46:04 PM
If you guys saw me bowl, you'd think that I fall under the stereotype.  But, I guess I'm lucky in this, it's pretty natural for me to rev up the ball.  The lowest rpm I can achieve without REALLY messing with things, is around 300 rpm.  I can get around 500, but don't do that often.  I'm kind of the complete opposite of the stereotype, in that most kids are trying to get more hook, and I'm trying to get less.  My favorite line is a 15-10 swing.  But, the only way I can ever do this with a lot of forward roll, if I put side roll it'll take off.

No real reason for this post, I thought I'd just say my side to the story.
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: a_ak57 on April 16, 2005, 08:48:43 PM
Oh, and NO, I am not any more accurate when doing my closest impression of a stroker.  The only reason that stereotype came about is from idiot strokers trying to do something they can do and crank the ball.  For those who have natural revs (me as high-end tweener, and people like rpm-max), we are accurate with a higher rpm rate.

The ONLY reason the sterotype that strokers are more accurate than crankers, is because so many strokers try to become crankers, rather than using what's natural.  If you took bowlers who were natural at each style (stroker, tweener, cranker) you'd find they would all have about the same accuracy.
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: bowling9883 on April 17, 2005, 01:27:30 AM
I am a stroker as well. I think if you can repeat anything then stick with it. Just my opinion. Repetition is key in our game today.
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Title: Re: Crankers v Strokers
Post by: The SuperHitMan on April 17, 2005, 08:04:02 AM
"Why is it that every young kid strives to throw that big hook."

There are many reasons to why that could happen.  In some cases it depends on who you grew up around in the alley, and what I mean by that is who are the people that you watched bowl. Its almost like monkey see monkey do and kids will follow that.  Also I say it has something to do with whomever their favorite player is on the PBA tour, we all try to take something from our favorite player like WRW's accuracy or P.Web's ecentric attitude, and TJ's ability to hook the whole lane.  Kids imitate what they see, but not to take away from RPM MAX because he has a point to... "There is no right or wrong way to bowl its all about what works for you."  There are some kids who just naturally do it.
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