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leftybowler70

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Layouts for sport shots
« on: June 04, 2014, 11:15:02 AM »
As we all know the oil is at a higher rate on the tougher shots. I see alot of pan down layouts ( to get the ball rolling sooner ) Although surface dictates ball reaction (layouts dictate 15% of it).

Is it possible to use pin up,  or other layouts as well,  or wil the balls just roll out due to getting too much length?  Thanks in advance

 

Nails

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Re: Layouts for sport shots
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2014, 01:14:01 PM »
The oil isn't necessarily "more", it's just spread out differently which generally make them play oiler. There are plenty of dryer sport shots. The puddle which makes up a vast portion of the volume is gone from the middle. There is generally a good bit more oil on the outsides where people are used to it being dry. You can still hook the ball plenty, but few are going to go coast to coast.

Layouts are very dependent on your physical game. I'm probably 60/40 pin up/down.  I think surface much more so than layout. You can't change your layout week to week, but it's easy to change the surface. Adding some surface with have a bigger effect than switching from a pin up to pin down ball.

Also, balls burn up/roll out from using energy too early, not from getting too much length.

If you're buying a new ball consider a control type layout, but otherwise experiment with surface and see what works for you.

leftybowler70

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Re: Layouts for sport shots
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2014, 01:36:35 PM »
Thanks nails… thats what I meant that the oil is all the way across,  and the burnup from reading too soon.  Thanks for correcting me and the informative info.

cheech

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Re: Layouts for sport shots
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2014, 04:56:18 PM »
also pin down layouts dont get the ball to roll quicker. the response to friction is slower so the shape is a bit smoother and more control. pin down layouts actually decrease flare which would make the ball weaker. to get the ball to roll sooner you would use a higher flaring layout with shorter pins on symetrical cores and longer pins on asymetric cores along with surfaces and weight holes

leftybowler70

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Re: Layouts for sport shots
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2014, 05:43:40 PM »
Without taking the information into account tthat you just mentioned cheech, it seems like over 90%of the timo I watch the pba tour on various patterns,  whether their long or short patterns,  its alwys mostly pin down layouts, and wondered why, is all (all things being considered of course)

Dave81644

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Re: Layouts for sport shots
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2014, 06:12:20 PM »
the difference between THS bowlers and the successful sport players is that in the sport conditions, you need to learn how to read the lanes front to back, whereas THS is side to side.
so the length of the pattern will dictate what balls to use and where to play the lanes
some pin up layouts work better on the long patterns, lower pins will also work
a mixture of high and low pins could work on the medium patterns.
However, on a short pattern, the higher pins most likely will not work well

I have found that if i put the pin in my middle finger, it gives me a very arcing predictable roll on a symmetric piece.
so my stuff is really 1/3 of pin up/pin down/pin in finger
ball surface plays such a big part in todays game (on the tougher patterns) you really have to know how to tread the lane and know what surface/ball combo to use

Dave81644

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Re: Layouts for sport shots
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2014, 06:21:49 PM »
i found this that is also relevant from a seminar i took a few years ago



the factors that influence a ball motion are:

coverstock - 50% of total reaction
core type - 20% of total reaction
texture - 15% of total reaction
layout & tweaks - 15% of total reaction

michelle

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Re: Layouts for sport shots
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2014, 11:04:38 AM »
There are 'short' sport-compliant patterns and there are 'long' sport-compliant patterns, not to mention some with high volumes of oil and some that have seemingly very little.  There are no magic bullets in the way of layouts that will allow one to conquer anything just because it is labeled as sport-compliant.  Knowing the specific pattern is still a key to figuring out what is apt to work with the best result...

avabob

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Re: Layouts for sport shots
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2014, 12:48:50 PM »
In the list of variables that impact a players game on sport shots, I would say that it is 60% release, 30% surface, and 10% layout.  Layout can be a slightly bigger factor for lower rev players.  The key to playing any sport shot successfully, be it longer or shorter, is to find a way to play as direct as possible through the heads.  Your roll pattern ( rev rate and axis rotation ) are the overwhelmingly most important factors, followed by surface. 

The best players in the world are becoming more aware that powerful carry can be accomplished with much less hook and a strong forward roll where speed and rev rate match up.  This allows much more accuracy on tough patterns without sacrificing much in carry. 

leftybowler70

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Re: Layouts for sport shots
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2014, 02:28:08 PM »
Thanks for all the replies guys  :)