Let's have a vocabulary lesson here.

Definition of overkill
1 : a destructive capacity greatly exceeding that required for a given target
2 : an excess of something (such as a quantity or an action) beyond what is required or suitable for a particular purpose.

Now, the majority of us are bowling on some sort of modified house shot. I promise most of us aren't bowling on real heavy flat patterns all of the time. If you are, then this doesn't apply to you.

Your new high end toy is overkill. Your new Jackal Rising, your DCT, your Sure Lock, Mako, Paradox Black, etc etc etc. They're all overkill.

You.
Do.
Not.
Need.
Them.

As the consumer listening to your PSO, you hear "This ball hooks more than last week's hook monster" and automatically think that it's going to hook circles around your previous hook monster.

Chances are, it's not going to.

It's going to be overkill. It's going to suck. And it's not the balls fault. It's yours.

Justin Wi puts together some great videos. His "biggest" hooking layout on assyms is 70*5*70. Notice he isn't trying to play up the track? Why is that?

Very rarely have I seen a ball that honestly is garbage. I've seen it, but nowadays, it's rare. The person is just not using it on the right condition. You are using a nuke to ferret out a groundhog, then get upset when the nuke destroys everything around it.

Rising is early. DCT is early. They're not meant to bounce off the friction. They're meant to slow down as soon as possible. That's what the cover dictates. Slow down asap when you hit the FLOOD.

Please, people. Stop buying a high end ball and expect it to hook circles around your older ball.

I'll even give you a personal experience, to show that even knowledgeable people fall victim to this phenomenon.

I have an Incinerate. F90, strongest cover ever used out of San Antonio. Drilled mine weak (70*5*35) and took it to the heaviest oiled house within 3 counties.

I threw it 6 frames. Haven't thrown it since. Next time I bowl a first squad at a tournament, I'll bring it. Until then, it stays on the shelf.

Now, if it's the biggest ball in the bag, why don't I take it everywhere?? IT'S MY MOST HOOKING BALL!

Because I do not see enough volume anywhere to use it. Too much surface, too much flare, too much ball. Houses around me, I can barely use S70. I'm actually more comfortable with the S60 range or lower. Drift, X, maybe my Dream On if I need to wheel.

Once you reach a point of saturation, you aren't going to have an enjoyable time. News flash, you DO have friction you can use. Don't lie to me. The newest set of snow tires isn't going to help you cover more boards on a house shot. It's akin to having chains on your tires in the summer. You're just going to destroy the pavement.

Stop. Just.stop. 99% of the time, it's not the balls fault. It's yours. It's not your fault, you just fall under the wheels of the Hype machine, which is what the ball companies hope. Keep that revenue coming in!!

I think he needs to take up tiddly winks.Bowling couldn't be that much fun.

If people understood that more hook doesn't usually equate to more carry it would be a good starting point.  I shot a 300 three weeks ago playing 17 board on a broken down 43 foot sport pattern using a marvel pearl.  I am 70 years old and probably aren't getting 300 revs anymore.  Never let my breakpoint get to the right of 12 board.  Lot if young guys were out hooking me, but none were out carrying me.

Lesson to be learned.  Develop an effective release that will allow you to hit the pocket with most of the balls in your bag.  Then learn how to fine tune your carry using the different equipment. 

"Lesson to be learned.  Develop an effective release that will allow you to hit the pocket with most of the balls in your bag.  Then learn how to fine tune your carry using the different equipment."

Let's not start introducing any logic here...  Nice job shooting 300 against the young pups, though.

If people understood that more hook doesn't usually equate to more carry it would be a good starting point.  I shot a 300 three weeks ago playing 17 board on a broken down 43 foot sport pattern using a marvel pearl.  I am 70 years old and probably aren't getting 300 revs anymore.  Never let my breakpoint get to the right of 12 board.  Lot if young guys were out hooking me, but none were out carrying me.

Lesson to be learned.  Develop an effective release that will allow you to hit the pocket with most of the balls in your bag.  Then learn how to fine tune your carry using the different equipment. 

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts (yet another archaic saying) that 90% of the cranker kids watching you score said you were just getting lucky.

"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White

Actually most of the young guys seem to respect my game.  Also I can't beat the good high rev guys who know how to keep the ball in front of them by cutting down the axis rotation

For most bowlers on most conditions they normally see a mid performance ball or less is going to be their best chance to score and have a great overall look.

Exceptions come for different bowling styles and abilities.  Speed dominant, low rev,  straighter players etc.

Good pro shops can do a lot to help a bowler….. But in the end it's the bowlers decision and they typically buy hype vs need. Been there,  done that.

Pretty much. I think the lanes in our area tend to vary (both ways) a bit more than the average house shot look but for the most part a mid-level ball is the best bet on any night. The latest and greatest high-end asymmetrical isn't needed... although it's still nice to have.

Personally I like the reaction I get from asymmetricals more than symmetricals so I try to find the former with a tame enough cover to use in league. Luckily it seems like there are more and more options for that kind of ball lately.

Quote from: Steven on February 15, 2018, 03:49:43 PM

Quote from: Impending Doom on February 15, 2018, 02:39:26 PM

Quote from: HankScorpio on February 15, 2018, 01:34:41 PM

overkill: starting another thread when there’s a very active thread about the same exact topic

And yet, it bears repeating.

 
It absolutely does. Because the "message" is being lost on several in that other thread. I love your premise/argument starting off this topic. Nice job.

And I’m one of them. I can disagree with you in this thread just as easily as the other one.

I’m a high speed high rev bowler that’s slightly speed dominant. And on the house shots around here with my style, a Mastermind has made me plenty of money.

It’s great that you guys don’t need anything more than a Hyroad, really, it is. My Hyroad was shit, it doesn’t wrinkle if it catches any oil. Not everyone bowls on YOUR house shot. People disagreeing with your opinion doesn’t mean your message was lost. It could conceivably mean your generalization doesn’t always hold true.

On MY local coiffed house shots, starting with an IQ Tour or similar and balling up to a solid asym as I move in is a strong strategy for people with higher ball speed.

Actually kind of in the same boat that can't use my Hy-Road very effectively on my league shot with my style (short of towards middle of third game) which is why had to go up to a Black and even Green Quantum.  Only a doubles league so don't need to get deep with an asym (lol third arrow with my style).  Corporate bowling centers with newer synthetics often take some decent equipment to get the ball to turn the corner if you aren't Revy Mcrevs.