Post by: Rockbowler on October 20, 2004, 07:32:09 AM
1) V2 Dry (I talked to a PRO and he said he does not know of anybody who likes this ball)
2) Jackhammer
3) Optyx Something (the clear reactive blue ball)
4) EMB
What about you? Do you think all balls will work? If not, what are the balls that you would consider duds?
If all balls work, then at the most, we should buy two balls a year and make the necessary adjustments. I do not think the ball manufacturers will like that.
Post by: Overhand on October 20, 2004, 03:35:07 PM
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Post by: Rockbowler on October 20, 2004, 03:38:27 PM
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Post by: JPRLane1 on October 20, 2004, 03:39:20 PM
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.
Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.
Post by: thfonz98 on October 20, 2004, 03:40:33 PM
my two ebo only teammates.....1 likes the v2 dry but now throws a fire instead, the other hates it and she would rather throw her cow ball instead(both former touring pros one in the 70s and 80s, she did in the 90s)
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Post by: C_J on October 20, 2004, 03:41:55 PM
Post by: Rockbowler on October 20, 2004, 03:46:57 PM
Post by: da Shiv on October 20, 2004, 03:48:31 PM
A ball that was a major dud for me was the Faball Hammer 4DHPT. And just try to find anyone that liked the Riptide or Tombstone. The Seawolf vanished in what seemed like a couple weeks. The Blazing Inferno disappeared pretty fast.
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Post by: JPRLane1 on October 20, 2004, 03:58:30 PM
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.
Post by: Wilbert on October 20, 2004, 04:01:25 PM
No matter what type of ball it is, someone may find it useful. A ball that rolls instantly and flattens out will be loved by someone that throws 20+ miles per hour. A ball that does not hook will be loved by the turtles. However, don't expect to sell a lot of them. If a ball company makes a bunch of unpopular balls goodbye customers (like Hammer for a number of years).
Post by: Rockbowler on October 20, 2004, 04:04:44 PM
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Post by: Steven on October 20, 2004, 04:36:14 PM
I can say with certainty that none of the balls have been duds. There have been a few instances where I did not initially lay out the right drill pattern, or played with a non-optimal surface prep, but one way or another I'd finally get it right.
So I have to agree with tenpinspro. If you have a well developed game and set up any ball properly, it should work satisfactorily on it's intended condition. Having said this, it doesn't mean that you won't like one ball better than another. But that doesn't make the less preferred ball a dud.
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Post by: Strider on October 20, 2004, 09:27:03 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on October 21, 2004, 12:44:50 AM
tenpinspro and I were simply stating that some equipment just does not match up to some bowler's styles----OR they were expecting a ball that hooks and they end up with something like a V2 Dry.
To add my opinion in here. I do not believe that there are duds. I have had balls that just did not work for me no matter what I did. With the same bowling balls some people really love them.
More often than not when a ball does not match up I think it is probably a bad layout for that bowler, on that ball on that lane condition. So an entire model being a dud....I don't believe so.
Post by: Rev_O on October 21, 2004, 01:12:54 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on October 21, 2004, 01:17:00 AM
I believe Rockbowler is talking about DUDS as in "HEY, the V2 DRY is a horrible ball, so every V2 Dry out there must be a horrible ball". I do not believe he is talking about BLEMS or X OUTS. Which most bowlers know are balls that are produced and end up coming out with extremely long pins or high top weights.
SO, just another vote here, no duds*L*
Post by: thfonz98 on October 21, 2004, 02:09:43 AM
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3) Optyx Something (the clear reactive blue ball)
maybe he's thinking of the formula one...its blue and has a clear part of coverstock on it
i just saw one up close tonight
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Post by: Brian362 on October 21, 2004, 02:21:25 AM
FWIW, I loved my EMB... hyped as the ball to never roll out. For me, it did live up to that!
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Post by: Rockbowler on October 21, 2004, 03:32:30 AM
Just in case you think that I am misquoting, here is what tenpinspro said:
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Again, there's no such thing as a dud or bad ball, you either have to know how to line up or have it redrilled or the cover adjusted to your game as necessary. There are so many variables in the total picture that if you don't have a good driller to help you match things up, you may end up with a poor reaction, that's all.
I do not remember what you said (although I remembered that you agreed that there are no duds) but what tenpinspro said may have stuck in my mind as he is my friend. So please, there were no misquotations on my part even to a small degree.
And as to what a dud may be to some people, this is how I replied to Overhand who asked the question:
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Any ball that you would consider a dud. A ball that just would not hit for you. I am not sure that we can generalize and say that the ball has a manufacturing defect (although there is that possibility) but just a ball that will not work for you.
Hope this clarifies it so there are no misconceptions or misinterpretations.
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Post by: MSC2471 on October 21, 2004, 03:55:07 AM
The Phantom would be a ball that didn't work well for me, and I understand a lot of people had trouble with it because it was a difficult ball for the average driller to layout and punch out properly. I saw many people bowl well with it, so I wouldn't say all Phantoms are duds.
There are too many variables when it comes to a person's style, the conditions they see at the start of bowling, how the lanes transition towards the middle and end of bowling, ball speed, axis tilt and so forth for everyone to match up well today with the same 2 or 3 bowling balls. The days of grabbing your Blue Hammer or your Yellow Dot and hitting every condition are long gone...
I can't say I've had a ball that hasn't worked for me in over 4 years.
Matt
Post by: David Lee Yskes on October 21, 2004, 05:20:27 AM
And even recently most people would say the Trauma Response was a dud, but most of the people who would say this wasnt using the ball on the proper condition. This ball seriously needed a Flood of oil for it to be used. Or you had to polish the crap outa this ball for it to work on a regular condition.
And then yes there was balls like the Riptide or Tombstone that hooked in your backswing lol. And of course then what about the Hammer Syntec the ball was so soft you could almost squeeze the ball.
But i think alot of people just either drill the ball wrong, like how many times i have read a review of someone drilling up a ball Stacked leverage, and then they wonder why the ball hooks so much.
Or the condition is just wrong for the ball, or maybe the drilling wasnt a good one for the condition they was facing.
I mean i have thrown nothing but Storm since 96, and have never had a ball or drilling i couldnt find a condition to match up for the ball. Sometimes it takes a while to find a condition for a certain ball, but when you do, u light up the lanes.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on October 21, 2004, 02:14:41 PM
I think your slight misquote was in saying......."I had an exchange with EXALIBER and tenpinspro and both said they do not believe in duds. I do not remember the exact words but they said that it is up to the bowler to get a good driller for a well-fitting ball and to adjust the surface and to the lanes and any ball can work"
I say this is a slight misquote because you said "THEY SAID".....tenpinspro said that, I didn't.
In that same topic you are refering to I said I didn't have good luck with the Ultimate Inferno or the Anomaly, but I wouldn't call them a dud. They just did not work well for my game. If what you are saying is true, then are you saying both of these balls are duds?
If a ball is a dud then it would work for no one, as poorly as the AMF BONE XS performed for most there were still many people it did work for. Infact if I remember correctly there was someone looking for one not long ago in the wanted/forsale forum.
Post by: cgilyeat on October 21, 2004, 02:30:57 PM
Just about every ball will work for someone. While some balls may be somewhat universally disliked, I don't think that there is truely a bad ball made.
Post by: Overhand on October 21, 2004, 02:39:29 PM
Columbia Orange Dot: dud dud dud
if not a dud then it was a cow pattie...
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Post by: Doug Sterner on October 21, 2004, 02:46:54 PM
Examples:
Syntactive Sledgehammer, Navy Resin Hammer, Teal Rhino Pro, Elixir Pearl, Raging Inferno
You can pretty much tell if a ball was a dud for a company though (as in it didnnt sell well) simply by looking at how long it is in the line. I think the ball that's been there the longest was the Storm Eraser...I think that ball lasted about 7 years. Dud? I tihnk not!!!
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Post by: Rockbowler on October 21, 2004, 03:09:11 PM
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Rockbowler,
I think your slight misquote was in saying......."I had an exchange with EXALIBER and tenpinspro and both said they do not believe in duds. I do not remember the exact words but they said that it is up to the bowler to get a good driller for a well-fitting ball and to adjust the surface and to the lanes and any ball can work"
I say this is a slight misquote because you said "THEY SAID".....tenpinspro said that, I didn't.
EXCALIBER,
Sorry. I also prefaced my original post that I do not remember the exact words. Anyway, I will make sure that next time I will copy and paste your exact words. One question, do you agree with what tenpinspro said and I quoted?
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