Author Topic: Does Clean and Dull really have a grit additive? (Read 6446 times)

Nicanor · « **on:** March 12, 2011, 11:15:52 PM »

I didn't think there was any grit to Clean and Dull at all. Watching the video with Chris Barnes talking about Power House products on Ballreviews, I heard him say that Clean and Dull has a grit added to it and it will bring the balls surface down/up to between 1000 and 1500. Is that true? I thought Clean and Dull was just a deep cleaner.

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bjba89 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2011, 10:20:09 AM »

I personally think its more like... 1500 - 2000, but yeah all my equipment seems to get a little duller after I use the clean n dull.

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charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2011, 12:35:02 PM »

The original APP and the succeeding Track versions of Clean and Dull had zero grit in it. That I can virtually guarantee. I have no idea what the new powerhouse version has in it. If it does, they should not call it "Clean and Dull" which has a great reputation.I am still using Track's version of it. I have never tried Powerhouse's version. I do know Ebonite/Powerhouse did change the original instructions for its use.

I also saw the Chris Barnes video on Xtra Frame in which he said C&D had grit in it. I thought he was either totally misinformed or something was wrong with him, as Clean and Dull had never had grit in it of any kind whatsoever, at lest until Powerhouse "got into the act".

If they changed the formula, they should announce it.

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azguy · « **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2011, 12:55:20 PM »

have used both 'versions' of it, Track & Power House. I see no difference in either one. Still on the label is "Approved for use during USBC". I would think if it had 'grit added' that the statement would not be on the label, as then you'd be changing surface as you used it.

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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** March 13, 2011, 01:37:46 PM »

Roger,

That (use during compaetition) was discussed a while back. Although it says that on the label, the USBC web page for "Approved cleaners" has moved both Clean and Dull and Hook-IT to to the category of "Approved for use BEFORE or AFTER bowling".

BUT, interesting that both versions of C & D feel the same. I suspect that Implies the someone who described C & D to Barnes did not know what they were talking about and now Barnes has possibly transmitted bad information along a major new channel.

azguy wrote on 3/13/2011 12:55 PM:have used both 'versions' of it, Track & Power House. I see no difference in either one. Still on the label is "Approved for use during USBC". I would think if it had 'grit added' that the statement would not be on the label, as then you'd be changing surface as you used it.

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JohnP · « **Reply #5 on:** March 13, 2011, 02:20:17 PM »

I attended a two day class at Ebonite shortly after they bought Track, Jeff Ussery was the teacher. At that time he was the head of the Powerhouse group, now heads up the Hammer division. He said that the only thing changed about Clean and Dull was the names on the bottle (both to Powerhouse and to Clean and Dull, Track had changed the name to Clean and Sheen). The same company was making exactly the same product to put in the bottles. Now, that was several years ago, but I just bought a new 32 oz bottle a couple of months ago and it certainly looks and feels the same as it always has. -- JohnP

Doug Sterner · « **Reply #6 on:** March 13, 2011, 04:38:14 PM »

Clean N Sheen and Clean N Dull are 2 totally different products.

Clean N Sheen is very similar to Brunswick's Rough Buff or Valentino's Resurrection and does most definitely have grit in it.

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charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** March 13, 2011, 05:24:47 PM »

JOhnP,

Doug is 100% right on this. Clean and Dull is just a cleaner. Clean and Sheen is closer to Rough Buff and Ultimate's Quick Kut and Polish than anything else. All three have rather intense grit in them.

FYI as far as I know Powerhouse did NOT issue their version of Clean and Sheen. They never marketed it as far as I know. Besides it does put a polish on balls when used with a spinner.

Powerhouse used to market something called Matte finish. It would put the finish Barnes referenced in that video - roughly a 1200 grit matte finish. It had/has no polish in it. They have discontinued it.

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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2011, 05:40:16 PM »

charlest....I asked my Ebonite rep why they never marketed Clean N Sheen...his response was that withthe advent of Abralon pads, nobody was "chemical surfacing" a ball anymore like with Clean N Sheen.

Personally I liked clean n sheen to use as a base coat for my polishes. I could use whatever grit sandpaper I wanted and then hit it with clean n sheen to take the lines off. Then I could polish smooth with no problem.

The Clean N Smooth they had was also a very good product but I still prefer the Sheen.....I have both Rough Buff and Resurrection in -house now to replace my dearly departed Clean N Sheen.

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charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2011, 07:22:55 PM »

Doug,

I understand their feelings. I still have Matte Finish, Clean and Smooth and Clean And Sheen. I use Resurrection more often because it's not as abrasive and hardly leaves a shine even with the spinner, plus it has some cleaner in it. I have used C & S to get that "compound shine" but not nearly as often as I used to.

Resurrection is much more consistent and less susceptible to vagaries of amount and pressure than C & S and Rough Buff. Plus I use 4000 grit finish more often these days.

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2011, 09:29:03 PM »

In reading all of the posts here about Clean & Dull, Clean & Sheen, Clean & Smooth and etc....I have a question ....Is there still a Clean & Dull available that is equal to the old Track Clean & Dull?

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Rich Hanson · « **Reply #11 on:** March 14, 2011, 07:59:28 AM »

Let me try and clarify some things about what Chris said in the video. Our Clean & Dull product has never been advertised as having a grit additive in it but will give some balls a duller appearance after application. As far as how much it changes the ball we can't say for sure since every cover's chemical composition is different. Clean & Dull is still mixed and package by the same company that made it for Track. Sorry for any confusion in the video.

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ccrider · « **Reply #12 on:** March 14, 2011, 09:06:31 AM »

Rich

Are you diplomatically saying that Barnes got it wrong and that powerhouse clean n dull is the same as the old track clean n dull?

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ccrider · « **Reply #13 on:** March 14, 2011, 01:27:48 PM »

I did not see "original formula" anywhere in his post. He really does not say one way or the other. He says that the same company is making clean and dull. That does not answer the question as to whether the same company is using the "same formula".

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JohnP · « **Reply #14 on:** March 14, 2011, 02:02:56 PM »

Thanks for the correction, Doug. Track did change the name of the product because too many customers thought it was supposed to dull polished balls, but I obviously don't remember what the name was changed to. Powerhouse changed it back. -- JohnP

Doug Sterner wrote on 3/13/2011 4:38 PM:
Clean N Sheen and Clean N Dull are 2 totally different products.

Clean N Sheen is very similar to Brunswick's Rough Buff or Valentino's Resurrection and does most definitely have grit in it.

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